It's well known he left money on the table. But of course the world is wrong and you're right.
- fifty__missions

Obviously he didn't leave nearly as much as you think he did because in the real world, he was the #1 paid player over his time.

If you want to compare apples to apples instead of apples to tire irons, maybe if Marner, and the rest of this core, had won Cups already and wanted to keep the band together, you could make some kind of argument. But they can't even get out of the 1st round. And management deemed it reasonable to overpay Tavares as a UFA and his buddies on their extensions. If management and core decided, we want max dollars, Marner is supposed to be different?

Is Tanev the best D the Leafs have had in a long long time?

they could have drafted Pouliot, Ritchie, Provorov, Laine and Tristan Broz and Jack LaFontaine instead

but the point is, 12 mil instead of 14 can leave space for a good player. if the goal is to win ultimately
- senstroll

They could absolutely suck at lottery picks, indeed. But being the best means being the absolute best at more than just picking the obvious best players in lottery positions. They made some easy picks and the rest they left to bad UFA signings and horrible trades. That's too many misses in other important areas.

If they gave Tavares the farm, Nylander and Matthews right after, why would or should Marner be the one who doesn't? The boat to save 2 million on the star players left a long, long time ago.

They could absolutely suck at lottery picks, indeed. But being the best means being the absolute best at more than just picking the obvious best players in lottery positions. They made some easy picks and the rest they left to bad UFA signings and horrible trades. That's too many misses in other important areas.

If they gave Tavares the farm, Nylander and Matthews right after, why would or should Marner be the one who doesn't? The boat to save 2 million on the star players left a long, long time ago.
- Rare_Jewel

Tavares took a little less (reportedly)
Nylander was very good value on his 6.9 deal. 11.5 ...not sure yet
AM is a unicorn, players like him get what they want..imo he is worth more. good deals

MM got more on this current deal..than any reasonable comp. at the time.. and the numbers being thrown around are again...more than any reasonable comp

but it all comes down to delivering the goods... fans will call players out who get max and never deliver.

its not complicated

Obviously he didn't leave nearly as much as you think he did because in the real world, he was the #1 paid player over his time.

If you want to compare apples to apples instead of apples to tire irons, maybe if Marner, and the rest of this core, had won Cups already and wanted to keep the band together, you could make some kind of argument. But they can't even get out of the 1st round. And management deemed it reasonable to overpay Tavares as a UFA and his buddies on their extensions. If management and core decided, we want max dollars, Marner is supposed to be different?
- Rare_Jewel

Read again where I said "a little less".

Lottery picks are the easy picks. It's the depth and the defense that's difficult. Jury is still out on if Woll can play 30 games without breaking something.

And considering they have 0 Cups with those guys, yes indeed, not good enough.
- Rare_Jewel

Ah yes. The easy picks of Yakupov, Reinhart and Galchenyuk. Or what about, Michael Dal Colle. Nick Ritchie at 10. Leafs should have swapped him for Nylander for sure...

They ain't easy son

Read again where I said "a little less".
- fifty__missions

Presume it's 13m people are asking and saying Marner takes 11 million. I don't think the extra 2 million will change your life at that level in any significant way.

Is Tanev the best D the Leafs have had in a long long time?
- senstroll

Unfortunately, if that statement is true it says more about the Leafs than Tanev.

His contract is terribly long, his age is going to become a problem sooner rather than later and his career pattern has been to miss games at some point. Does next to nothing offensively unfortunately.

I think he's best suited at less than 20 min a night and he's been a solid 2nd pairing guy. If they ask or expect him to do more than that, it'll become a problem. They still need a top pair RHD to play with Rielly because Rielly seems to be getting worse by the week defensively and offensively less impressive than before.

Tavares took a little less (reportedly)
Nylander was very good value on his 6.9 deal. 11.5 ...not sure yet
AM is a unicorn, players like him get what they want..imo he is worth more. good deals

MM got more on this current deal..than any reasonable comp. at the time.. and the numbers being thrown around are again...more than any reasonable comp

but it all comes down to delivering the goods... fans will call players out who get max and never deliver.

its not complicated
- senstroll

If the leafs make the finals then Marner likely gets a blank check (aslong as he plays reasonably well). 1st round and out? He's likely not re-signed.

Unfortunately, if that statement is true it says more about the Leafs than Tanev.

His contract is terribly long, his age is going to become a problem sooner rather than later and his career pattern has been to miss games at some point. Does next to nothing offensively unfortunately.

I think he's best suited at less than 20 min a night and he's been a solid 2nd pairing guy. If they ask or expect him to do more than that, it'll become a problem. They still need a top pair RHD to play with Rielly because Rielly seems to be getting worse by the week defensively and offensively less impressive than before.
- Rare_Jewel

I think you just like to say random poop that has no bearing on the actual conversation to twist whatever you like.

Rating someone "as the best leaf D" has no bearing on his contract or age/injury history. It's talking about current play.

Tavares took a little less (reportedly)
Nylander was very good value on his 6.9 deal. 11.5 ...not sure yet
AM is a unicorn, players like him get what they want..imo he is worth more. good deals

MM got more on this current deal..than any reasonable comp. at the time.. and the numbers being thrown around are again...more than any reasonable comp

but it all comes down to delivering the goods... fans will call players out who get max and never deliver.

its not complicated
- senstroll

Tavares was the 2nd highest paid player in the NHL having won 0 awards and never leading the league in scoring. That's not taking less, don't care what any BS report from San Jose says. He was paid more than he was worth for his play on the ice. Every Leafs player after that is going to follow suit.

Read again where I said "a little less".
- fifty__missions

Read again; nobody else in this organization did, he won't either.

I think you just like to say random poop that has no bearing on the actual conversation to twist whatever you like.

Rating someone "as the best leaf D" has no bearing on his contract or age/injury history. It's talking about current play.
- Aaron_85

Incorrect.

Presume it's 13m people are asking and saying Marner takes 11 million. I don't think the extra 2 million will change your life at that level in any significant way.
- Aaron_85

If your work was worth 13 million dollars a year, you'd think differently. You just can't put yourself in the situation.

Considering how much they take away from that 13 million, yes, it changes the life of your family for generations and he risks his body every game he plays to earn it to entertain people who pay a lot of money to see it.

If you want your team to win, ask them to draft better. It's the only thing that guarantees more talent at a lower cost.
- Rare_Jewel

how can you draft better when you have so little picks and those pick are from 25 to 32 in the 1st round if they have any in the 1st round.

granted you can find some gems out there but it's not often you do

how can you draft better when you have so little picks and those pick are from 25 to 32 in the 1st round if they have any in the 1st round.

granted you can find some gems out there but it's not often you do
- dmnted

Yes, you can draft better with those types of picks.

Is Tanev the best D the Leafs have had in a long long time?
- senstroll

at least since the wizard of woz👍

This is HUGE!

https://x.com/govt_corrup...tatus/1877078583669068235


Might be time for a feller to service and shine up the old K-Whopper for another party. Eastbound and down!

That's exactly how he negotiated which is why he's #1 in dollars earned during his time. You think his agent reads to the blind at soup kitchens or is he an real agent?
- Rare_Jewel

Crosby left $$ on the table and you know this.

how can you draft better when you have so little picks and those pick are from 25 to 32 in the 1st round if they have any in the 1st round.

granted you can find some gems out there but it's not often you do
- dmnted

First of all, don't trade so many for rentals then lose in the 1st round.

Second, there's 7 rounds in every draft. I can show you plenty of Cup winners that found non-lottery picks that were significant a contribution to contending and winning Cups.

Bring me ROR by February Tre

Feels like Philly will want to hold onto Laughton
- Santo_44

This is not happening.

That's exactly how he negotiated which is why he's #1 in dollars earned during his time. You think his agent reads to the blind at soup kitchens or is he an real agent?
- Rare_Jewel

FFS. Its very well known that crosby left money on the table his past two contracts.

Yes, you can draft better with those types of picks.
- fifty__missions

and how is this done?

Presume it's 13m people are asking and saying Marner takes 11 million. I don't think the extra 2 million will change your life at that level in any significant way.
- Aaron_85

$2m per year over 5 to years will definitely.

First of all, don't trade so many for rentals then lose in the 1st round.

Second, there's 7 rounds in every draft. I can show you plenty of Cup winners that found non-lottery picks that were significant a contribution to contending and winning Cups.
- Rare_Jewel

I guess you did not read this line eh!

granted you can find some gems out there but it's not often you do
- dmnted

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If the leafs make the finals then Marner likely gets a blank check (aslong as he plays reasonably well). 1st round and out? He's likely not re-signed.
- Aaron_85

Doesnt matter what occurs in the playoffs, Marner will be signed by the leafs.
How much he signs for and how long, that could be determined a bit by what he does in the playoffs.

You have to still get into the playoffs, leafs need Marner.

and how is this done?


- dmnted

Have the best scouting team.