Crosby left $$ on the table and you know this.
- dmnted

Correct me if I'm wrong but did he not sign a 12 year deal at the 11th hour while it was still legal to do so? He took the biggest amount of guaranteed money he could get at the time. The cap hit was "only" 8.7 because they outlawed that type of contract.

But Crosby was still making 9 million a year, which was 2nd highest in the NHL. Then eventually 12 million a year, again, 2nd highest in the NHL. He was behind the leader by 1 or 2 million and that because guys signed AFTER him.

If Crosby was in the current climate of contracts, that cap hit would be A LOT higher.

Let's also remember, he, along with the rest of that core, won Cups quickly. They wanted to keep the band together. The Leafs core? Starting with Tavares, it's always been about getting maximum dollars. Why would or should Marner be any different?

If you want to make the argument Crosby "took less", it's because the core agreed to it because they won Cups and wanted to keep doing it. Clearly, that isn't the case in Toronto with their lack of winning and the core insisting they max their dollars.

Doesnt matter what occurs in the playoffs, Marner will be signed by the leafs.
How much he signs for and how long, that could be determined a bit by what he does in the playoffs.

You have to still get into the playoffs, leafs need Marner.
- Fakepartofme

Yeah I agree.

FFS. Its very well known that crosby left money on the table his past two contracts.
- Fakepartofme

How is that relevant when Marner is not at the end of his career?

The argument is to compare Crosby at 35-39 to Marner at 26?

The situational comparison was already terrible, now it's horrendous.

How is that relevant when Marner is not at the end of his career?

The argument is to compare Crosby at 35-39 to Marner at 26?

The situational comparison was already terrible, now it's horrendous.
- Rare_Jewel

you just need to look at the cap % when the contracts were signed.

im too lazy to find out what cap site makes that easy to find now that cf is gone.

but the Cosbys and Mcdavids deserve as close to max deals as possible...anything less imo is them taking a discount. the elite of elite should get top $$

How is that relevant when Marner is not at the end of his career?

The argument is to compare Crosby at 35-39 to Marner at 26?

The situational comparison was already terrible, now it's horrendous.
- Rare_Jewel

The world is wrong and you're right. Donc ca va.

I guess you did not read this line eh!



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- dmnted

I read it but it doesn't change the fact that it is necessary for the Leafs to find more of those gems and to find them more often than the teams they're trying to beat.

and how is this done?


- dmnted

It's really pretty easy.

You have your scouts identify who the best players are in the draft. You figure out the guys that will have the best NHL careers, and the guys who won't develop. Then, while other teams are selecting the guys who won't turn out to be superstars, you select the guys who will turn out to be superstars.

And then you take those guys, and you develop each and every one so that they are the best players in the world.

Here's a really important step: once these guys get really good, you convince them to take 50% of their market value.

Then all you need to do is have your coach out-coach the other coaches, and do important stuff to make sure that none of your players ever get injured.

It's embarrassing I have to explain this poop to you guys.

you just need to look at the cap % when the contracts were signed.

im too lazy to find out what cap site makes that easy to find now the cf is gone.

but the Cosbys and Mcdavids deserve as close to max deals as possible...anything less imo is them taking a discount. the elite of elite should get top $$
- senstroll

Even if you want to do it by percentage, it doesn't make sense to compare Crosby "taking less" when he's 35. Comparing Crosby at the correct age means considering he signed a 12 year deal while it was still allowed.

Crosby was at 13.5% of the cap on a 12 year deal. Marner signed his last contract at 13.3% on a SIX year deal. If Marner had a 12 year deal, that's probably 10%. And if Crosby had to sign a max of 8 year deal, he's probably at 15% which is where Matthews sits right now.

It's really pretty easy.

You have your scouts identify who the best players are in the draft. You figure out the guys that will have the best NHL careers, and the guys who won't develop. Then, while other teams are selecting the guys who won't turn out to be superstars, you select the guys who will turn out to be superstars.

And then you take those guys, and you develop each and every one so that they are the best players in the world.

Here's a really important step: once these guys get really good, you convince them to take 50% of their market value.

Then all you need to do is have your coach out-coach the other coaches, and do important stuff to make sure that none of your players ever get injured.

It's embarrassing I have to explain this poop to you guys.
- Atomic Wedgie

what if these players are gone cause other team have them or the team pick some unknown player.

Even if you want to do it by percentage, it doesn't make sense to compare Crosby "taking less" when he's 35. Comparing Crosby at the correct age means considering he signed a 12 year deal while it was still allowed.

Crosby was at 13.5% of the cap on a 12 year deal. Marner signed his last contract at 13.3% on a SIX year deal. If Marner had a 12 year deal, that's probably 10%. And if Crosby had to sign a max of 8 year deal, he's probably at 15% which is where Matthews sits right now.
- Rare_Jewel

yeah Crosby def took less

I read it but it doesn't change the fact that it is necessary for the Leafs to find more of those gems and to find them more often than the teams they're trying to beat.
- Rare_Jewel

sure it does cause I was agreeing that you could find those late round gems that kick arse

It's really pretty easy.

You have your scouts identify who the best players are in the draft. You figure out the guys that will have the best NHL careers, and the guys who won't develop. Then, while other teams are selecting the guys who won't turn out to be superstars, you select the guys who will turn out to be superstars.

And then you take those guys, and you develop each and every one so that they are the best players in the world.

Here's a really important step: once these guys get really good, you convince them to take 50% of their market value.

Then all you need to do is have your coach out-coach the other coaches, and do important stuff to make sure that none of your players ever get injured.

It's embarrassing I have to explain this poop to you guys.
- Atomic Wedgie

Sarcasm aside, considering how much money the Leafs have to spend, they could assign one competent scout to every single OPJL, GTHL and OHL team and thus have 2 scouts sitting at every single OPJL, GTHL and OHL game.

They'd never miss a kid coming out of their own area as a 4th-7th round gem or unsigned UFA ever again.

You think if the Leafs had 2 guys watching every single Brampton Capitals game and Owen Sound Attack game in 2001-2004 they'd have allowed Giordano to sign as an undrafted UFA in Calgary?

It's seemingly small investments like that which turn the Leafs franchise a giant pay-off down the road.

yeah Crosby def took less
- senstroll

And when 12 year deals are allowed for Marner, he'll be able to take less of a cap hit too.

sure it does cause I was agreeing that you could find those late round gems that kick arse
- dmnted

You could and unfortunately the Leafs don't do it often enough to make up the short comings them have in other areas of management.

Is Tanev the best D the Leafs have had in a long long time?
- senstroll

Depends on what he does in the playoffs.

Sarcasm aside, considering how much money the Leafs have to spend, they could assign one competent scout to every single OPJL, GTHL and OHL team and thus have 2 scouts sitting at every single OPJL, GTHL and OHL game.

They'd never miss a kid coming out of their own area as a 4th-7th round gem or unsigned UFA ever again.

You think if the Leafs had 2 guys watching every single Brampton Capitals game and Owen Sound Attack game in 2001-2004 they'd have allowed Giordano to sign as an undrafted UFA in Calgary?

It's seemingly small investments like that which turn the Leafs franchise a giant pay-off down the road.
- Rare_Jewel

Serious question:

Do you really think that you've come up with a system that would be far superior to what 32 other NHL teams are currently doing?

That 32 other teams still haven't thought up?

How is that relevant when Marner is not at the end of his career?

The argument is to compare Crosby at 35-39 to Marner at 26?

The situational comparison was already terrible, now it's horrendous.
- Rare_Jewel

It would be nice for marner not get every penny from the leafs.

It would be nice for marner not get every penny from the leafs.
- Fakepartofme

Yeah, but I'm also willing to give Leafs players a little extra in their contracts if they agree to never take money ever again to do Sonnet Insurance commercials.

And when 12 year deals are allowed for Marner, he'll be able to take less of a cap hit too.
- Rare_Jewel

Crosby also dragged his teams to cup finals several times.
Matthews and marner have yet to get out of the second round.

Serious question:

Do you really think that you've come up with a system that would be far superior to what 32 other NHL teams are currently doing?

That 32 other teams still haven't thought up?
- Atomic Wedgie

Serious question: Is what the Leafs doing right now working?

Another serious question: Do you think the other 31 teams have the resources the Leafs do?

It would be nice for marner not get every penny from the leafs.
- Fakepartofme

It would be nice but considering the other 3 guys before him didn't, nobody should reasonably expect him to either.

I have still not been sent any ideas for your state bird. We will choose the goose for you if you let us.

Keep in mind with only 2 senators and very few EC votes, it's about the only thing you're going to be dictating for quite some time...so think it through.

It would be nice for marner not get every penny from the leafs.
- Fakepartofme

He set up his contract to do exactly that or to cash in elsewhere. Not sure this is a realistic dream.

Even if you want to do it by percentage, it doesn't make sense to compare Crosby "taking less" when he's 35. Comparing Crosby at the correct age means considering he signed a 12 year deal while it was still allowed.

Crosby was at 13.5% of the cap on a 12 year deal. Marner signed his last contract at 13.3% on a SIX year deal. If Marner had a 12 year deal, that's probably 10%. And if Crosby had to sign a max of 8 year deal, he's probably at 15% which is where Matthews sits right now.
- Rare_Jewel

Stop making so much sense. This is HockeyBuzz bish.

I have still not been sent any ideas for your state bird. We will choose the goose for you if you let us.

Keep in mind with only 2 senators and very few EC votes, it's about the only thing you're going to be dictating for quite some time...so think it through.
- QuinnFan

Blue Jay, obviously.

You'd have to reorganize the provinces into 10 states but Quebec separates. Territories become like Guam and Puerto Rico. Natives would be recognized as well.