If the gameplan is to draft and develop- fine. The issue for me is usually every draft has at least a few prospects that could be elite. So why this organization does not place itself in the best opportunity to draft those prospects by quite frankly losing. They got extremely lucky Michkov dropping to 7. Good job by Briere making the pick. Supposedly Briere wanted Demidov. Could not get him at #12. History has proven GMs do not trade out of the top 5-no matter the packqge. Really liked D$ckinson, well letting the season play out and let the chips fall where they will- how did that work out. We'll see how Jett develops.

Right now, the Flyers have the opportunity to select in the top 5 this year. The goaltending stinks. All Briere has to do is trade just a few of the "culture" guys to get the job done. Even take less value on the trade because the payoff is ensuring a top 5 pick. We'll see if Briere has learned a lesson.
- Trox88

I think Frost and Risto are as good as gone this deadline, that might be enough. I would love Laughton to be traded as well, but I have given up hope that will happen. Apparently he has pictures of Briere and a horse one New Year's eve.

I think Frost and Risto are as good as gone this deadline, that might be enough. I would love Laughton to be traded as well, but I have given up hope that will happen. Apparently he has pictures of Briere and a horse one New Year's eve.
- jd250

you are not getting anything back that is worthwhile for either. that is fine in RR case unless they can pull a walker type deal.

will be curious what frostsky does return in a trade.

We don't need very good. We need all star to elite.
- MJL

When I said "very good" I meant all-star level. I agree neither will be elite, at least I don't see that yet in either of them.

you are not getting anything back that is worthwhile for either. that is fine in RR case unless they can pull a walker type deal.

will be curious what frostsky does return in a trade.
- hello it's me 2050

Risto will get back a 2nd round pick at a minumum, maybe multiple picks without the Flyers covering any salary. If they cover some salary, they can ask for more. For Frost, it would have to be a change of scenary type trade, where the other team gives the Flyers a younger underperforming player of their own.

When I said "very good" I meant all-star level. I agree neither will be elite, at least I don't see that yet in either of them.
- jd250

You really believe Jett and Bonk will be perennial All-Star level?

You really believe Jett and Bonk will be perennial All-Star level?
- Tomahawk

They could be. I have seen nothing from them that contradicts that so far. Was Aho an all star when he was 18 years old and drafted in the 2nd round?

If the gameplan is to draft and develop- fine. The issue for me is usually every draft has at least a few prospects that could be elite. So why this organization does not place itself in the best opportunity to draft those prospects by quite frankly losing. They got extremely lucky Michkov dropping to 7. Good job by Briere making the pick. Supposedly Briere wanted Demidov. Could not get him at #12. History has proven GMs do not trade out of the top 5-no matter the packqge. Really liked D$ckinson, well letting the season play out and let the chips fall where they will- how did that work out. We'll see how Jett develops.

Right now, the Flyers have the opportunity to select in the top 5 this year. The goaltending stinks. All Briere has to do is trade just a few of the "culture" guys to get the job done. Even take less value on the trade because the payoff is ensuring a top 5 pick. We'll see if Briere has learned a lesson.
- Trox88

I can live with the idea that you don’t want to scorch earth tank. Even though I disagree with not wanting to do that.

It’s that they consistently lock themselves into long term deals with mediocre players that don’t garner the deals. They make deals because the player is a good player, fits the culture, and will toot their horn when they believe they are saving some cap hit by giving out more years. Farabee, Laughton, Tippett, Risto, Hathaway etc.

They consistently, year after year, handcuff themselves and draw out this malaise of mediocrity at best that they are in. That’s putting it nicely.


Trade Laughton? Ok I guess, but he’s not an expiring player and the deadline is usually reserved for the expiring deals. All these players they signed with term nobody wants to touch them. What a deal the flyers got.

You really believe Jett and Bonk will be perennial All-Star level?
- Tomahawk

😆

They could be. I have seen nothing from them that contradicts that so far.
- jd250

Actually haven't seen a single thing from either of them that would support that POV.

Risto will get back a 2nd round pick at a minumum, maybe multiple picks. without the Flyers covering any salary. If they cover some salary, they can ask for more. For Frost, it would have to be a change of scenary type trade, where the other team gives the Flyers a younger underperforming player of their own.
- jd250

If Briere believes any of Hagens, Frondell, Schaefer, Misa, or Martone have the possibility of being elite, the terms on trading Risto must be adjusted to getting him moved by the deadline. IMO.

Briere hid behind not getting.an overpayment for Laughton at the last deadline. Deciding to extend a 3rd pair Dman (Seeler) because the draft pick acquired was not that high, so let's just extend him. When D$ckinson went #11 and he failed to get Waddell to move out of the top 5 earlier, was the "culture" worth it. I truly wonder.

Risto will get back a 2nd round pick at a minumum, maybe multiple picks without the Flyers covering any salary. If they cover some salary, they can ask for more. For Frost, it would have to be a change of scenary type trade, where the other team gives the Flyers a younger underperforming player of their own.
- jd250

risto will not be traded.

they will 100% have to retain unless an equal contract coming back. you really just flat out inflate what you think risto is worth.

flyers brain trust will then say how do we replace RR? therefor he stays.

Torts only sees "him skate fast, him play good" when it comes to Poehling.
- MBFlyerfan

It's like nepotism. Uncanny bigtime!

Risto will get back a 2nd round pick at a minumum, maybe multiple picks without the Flyers covering any salary. If they cover some salary, they can ask for more. For Frost, it would have to be a change of scenary type trade, where the other team gives the Flyers a younger underperforming player of their own.
- jd250

If they get a second round pick and do not retain salary or take on a contract for Risto at this TDL I will eat my sneaker.

If they get a second round pick and do not retain salary on Risto at this TDL I will eat my sneaker.
- mickel25

with the way shawsie has coached him up, I totally expect multiple firsts for the flyers best defenseman

Pretty sure Ersson stole a gane or two early in the season. Could probably argue the should have lost gane 1 vs van

Goaltending has been average or worse since Erssons first injury
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I would argue back that he played to an NHL # 1 in a few games …but I don’t agree he was the reason they won….tomatoes -tamatoes I guess.

Was Aho an all star when he was 18 years old and drafted in the 2nd round?
- jd250

Bruh, Aho looked like a stud in his D+1 season. Did you watch the WJC that year? Maybe the greatest line in U20 history:



vs.

Bruh, Aho looked like a stud in his D+1 season. Did you watch the WJC that year? Maybe the greatest line in U20 history:



vs.


- Tomahawk

but but the coach didn't use jett properly

They put this team together. The incompetence is saying that you want to stay out of the bottom and compete because they don't want to get stuck there. Then have the team be where they are now. Instead of trying to compete, realize accurately where your team is and move assets to guarantee as best you can to get that top player. They refuse to do so. That's the incompetence. The inability to accurately assess the team and make the correct corresponding moves that are neccessary.
- MJL

There should be no problem in trading 3-4 guys and still trying to win games and keep their “culture”. But rebuilding teams trade good vets for future assets…it’s really that simple….as well it’s not like if they trade Laughton, trade Risto, trade Farabee or trade even a Sanheim. Let’s not pretend like we are trading a McDavid or a Makar? How much worse can a team that won 9 games in regulation in the first half of the season really be? Evaluation time is over Danny boy…..time to do your (frank)ing job.

There should be no problem in trading 3-4 guys and still trying to win games and keep their “culture”. But rebuilding teams trade good vets for future assets…it’s really that simple….as well it’s not like if they trade Laughton, trade Risto, trade Farabee or trade even a Sanheim. Let’s not pretend like we are trading a McDavid or a Makar? How much worse can a team that won 9 games in regulation in the first half of the season really be? Evaluation time is over Danny boy…..time to do your (frank)ing job.
- landros 2

this will be the 3rd off season of the 3 stooges in charge. what have the accomplished so far?

It must be dawning on some of these kids that matter how much they stick to the system, how much they support each other, how much they sacrifice personally... at the end of the day when a superior opponent comes along they really don't have any hope of winning.

I guess that's building character?
- Tomahawk

Even a lot of times when the superior opponent doesn't bring their A game.

All I know is Couts was slow and behind the play an awful lot. He can't keep up with TK and Tips. The Flyers need better centers regardless of what Cout's on ice results are.
- jd250

That's false and you're being led around like a sheep. The point is that Couturier is still easily better than Poehling is.

Risto will get back a 2nd round pick at a minumum, maybe multiple picks without the Flyers covering any salary. If they cover some salary, they can ask for more. For Frost, it would have to be a change of scenary type trade, where the other team gives the Flyers a younger underperforming player of their own.
- jd250

How do you know that? LOL


You're going to be disappointed and it will be another in a long line of delusions. Like when the Flyers were going to trade up into the top 5. When they were going to get outlandish returns for Giroux. When have you ever been right about the value of a player? Never.

but but the coach didn't use jett properly
- hello it's me 2050

Jett really had no business being on that team to begin with.

Team Canada used the Flyers' philosophy of team building.

this will be the 3rd off season of the 3 stooges in charge. what have the accomplished so far?
- hello it's me 2050

Their contributions have been immeasurable.

There is simply nothing that have done that have brought any measure of success or prospect of future success.

There should be no problem in trading 3-4 guys and still trying to win games and keep their “culture”. But rebuilding teams trade good vets for future assets…it’s really that simple….as well it’s not like if they trade Laughton, trade Risto, trade Farabee or trade even a Sanheim. Let’s not pretend like we are trading a McDavid or a Makar? How much worse can a team that won 9 games in regulation in the first half of the season really be? Evaluation time is over Danny boy…..time to do your (frank)ing job.
- landros 2

Any player not named Michkov should be available.