If they get a second round pick and do not retain salary or take on a contract for Risto at this TDL I will eat my sneaker.
- mickel25

With or without salt?

Bruh, Aho looked like a stud in his D+1 season. Did you watch the WJC that year? Maybe the greatest line in U20 history:



vs.


- Tomahawk

Very disingenuous of you. Who did Luchanko play with? How many minutes did Aho play in WJCs? Just playing well in the WJCs doesn't mean the player will be a great NHL player. In Aho's case it was.

They put this team together. The incompetence is saying that you want to stay out of the bottom and compete because they don't want to get stuck there. Then have the team be where they are now. Instead of trying to compete, realize accurately where your team is and move assets to guarantee as best you can to get that top player. They refuse to do so. That's the incompetence. The inability to accurately assess the team and make the correct corresponding moves that are neccessary.
- MJL

You take everything they say like its the gospel unless it doesn't fit your narrative. Whatever Briere says idms PR talk. I dont really care what has been said. Like everyone keeps saying sctions talk and ehat have Brieres actions said? They have said no shortcuts, patiance and draft/develop.

Briere is not adding players like Fletcher did. He isnt throwing away assets like Fletcher. Briere is doing the exact same thing you suck off Hextall for doing. The only difference here is we actually got a player with elite talent and are potentially drafting lower than Hextall did outside of that fluke lottery win

Our young players took a step backwards and that happens. Development is not a linear process

You can sit there snd argue Hathaway Seeler, laughton and Poeling should have been traded but at the end of the day, the results end up the same with or without. Vets are there to help the younger players

Very disingenuous of you. Who did Luchanko play with? How many minutes did Aho play in WJCs? Just playing well in the WJCs doesn't mean the player will be a great NHL player. In Aho's case it was.
- jd250

LOL, you really don't understand hockey do you? Why does a player not play with other top players or play lesser minutes? Any time you like a player and that player plays poorly. You go to who did the player play with. That's disingenuous

You take everything they say like its the gospel unless it doesn't fit your narrative. Whatever Briere says idms PR talk. I dont really care what has been said. Like everyone keeps saying sctions talk and ehat have Brieres actions said? They have said no shortcuts, patiance and draft/develop.


- xShoot4WarAmpsx

You crack me up. Their actions match their talk. If you're paying attention and able to actually weed through the BS and the attempts at misdirection. I just know better than you do.

Briere is not adding players like Fletcher did. He isnt throwing away assets like Fletcher. Briere is doing the exact same thing you suck off Hextall for doing. The only difference here is we actually got a player with elite talent and are potentially drafting lower than Hextall did outside of that fluke lottery win


- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Hard to add players when you don't have the cap space to do so. This is just a pause because they know they don't have the flexibility to do so. As soon as they do, then it will start. This is the Flyers. Briere and Jones have both have all but flat out announced that they're going to keep doing the same things the Flyers have always done. They just think they have to do it better and believe they can. If you don't realize this, you're naive.

Our young players took a step backwards and that happens. Development is not a linear process

You can sit there snd argue Hathaway Seeler, laughton and Poeling should have been traded but at the end of the day, the results end up the same with or without. Vets are there to help the younger players
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Young players always take steps backwards with the Flyers. You're wrong that the results end up the same. They don't.

If Briere believes any of Hagens, Frondell, Schaefer, Misa, or Martone have the possibility of being elite, the terms on trading Risto must be adjusted to getting him moved by the deadline. IMO.

Briere hid behind not getting.an overpayment for Laughton at the last deadline. Deciding to extend a 3rd pair Dman (Seeler) because the draft pick acquired was not that high, so let's just extend him. When D$ckinson went #11 and he failed to get Waddell to move out of the top 5 earlier, was the "culture" worth it. I truly wonder.
- Trox88

Why exactly? Flyers arent getting an early 1st for Risto. The return we get for him wont impact our draft. Its unlikely we would be able to move up either. Only way i see the flyers moving up is if nsh decides the want to win now and flips it. We werent gettingvany significant return for seeler or Hathaway. Laughton maybe a late first. Risto unlikely to get us a 1st. Sanheim and TKvare probably the only guys we could move for an early 1st. Farabee, Tippett could probably get you that 11th ish area pick

Very disingenuous of you. Who did Luchanko play with? How many minutes did Aho play in WJCs? Just playing well in the WJCs doesn't mean the player will be a great NHL player. In Aho's case it was.
- jd250

Aho was playing with 17-yo draft-eligibles in a tournament for 19-yos. He got them playing so well that all those 17-yos went top-5 in the draft that year, mostly on the strength of their showing in that tournament. That's the kind of impact he had as an 18-yo in his D+1 season. Not to mention he was already dominating against men in Liiga as an 18-yo. Stud.

If Jett were anywhere near as talented as Aho he would be playing L1/PP1 at the WJCs. But the fact of the matter is that he was only selected for that team to be a role player. They passed over a lot of more talented, older kids as a result and in hindsight that was a huge mistake.

With or without salt?
- jd250

I will lightly season and sear.

Risto will get back a 2nd round pick at a minumum, maybe multiple picks without the Flyers covering any salary. If they cover some salary, they can ask for more. For Frost, it would have to be a change of scenary type trade, where the other team gives the Flyers a younger underperforming player of their own.
- jd250

The best return you can hope for regarding Ristolainen is a Justin Braun-like deal NEXT YEAR. I can't imagine a Ristolainen trade happening this year as no contender wants a guy who most likely slots as their 7th defenseman with an extra year at $2.55M (assuming the Flyers will have to eat half the salary). I also don't see a team out there that thinks Ristolainen puts them over the top, or helps get them to the playoffs (especially considering they guy has never played a playoff game).

The best return you can hope for regarding Ristolainen is a Justin Braun-like deal NEXT YEAR. I can't imagine a Ristolainen trade happening this year as no contender wants a guy who most likely slots as their 7th defenseman with an extra year at $2.55M (assuming the Flyers will have to eat half the salary). I also don't see a team out there that thinks Ristolainen puts them over the top, or helps get them to the playoffs (especially considering they guy has never played a playoff game).
- BaronVonShiznit

I agree for the most part but think that Ristolainen can play a 3rd pair role for a playoff team. With retained salary he has some value. He won't be coveted though as one poster believes and the NHL isn't going to be lined up to take on that full contract for a mediocre player unless unloading a bad contract of their own.

I agree for the most part but think that Ristolainen can play a 3rd pair role for a playoff team. With retained salary he has some value. He won't be coveted though as one poster believes and the NHL isn't going to be lined up to take on that full contract for a mediocre player unless unloading a bad contract of their own.
- MJL

I think they will also be asked to eat a contract for RR.

There should be no problem in trading 3-4 guys and still trying to win games and keep their “culture”. But rebuilding teams trade good vets for future assets…it’s really that simple….as well it’s not like if they trade Laughton, trade Risto, trade Farabee or trade even a Sanheim. Let’s not pretend like we are trading a McDavid or a Makar? How much worse can a team that won 9 games in regulation in the first half of the season really be? Evaluation time is over Danny boy…..time to do your (frank)ing job.
- landros 2

You nailed it IMO - how much longer do they need to evaluate players? It's getting to the point of insanity. They know what these player are and are not. Time to see some action and direction.

Very disingenuous of you. Who did Luchanko play with? How many minutes did Aho play in WJCs? Just playing well in the WJCs doesn't mean the player will be a great NHL player. In Aho's case it was.
- jd250

Why was Jett being put in as a checking center? Maybe b/c he wasn't good enough to play up the lineup when amongst his peers?

You nailed it IMO - how much longer do they need to evaluate players? It's getting to the point of insanity. They know what these player are and are not. Time to see some action and direction.
- Flyfly

Evaluating players is just coverage for waiting for the cap to clear up so they can start wheeling and dealing.

Evaluating players is just coverage for waiting for the cap to clear up so they can start wheeling and dealing.
- MJL

Exactly. It is bound to happen.

Why exactly? Flyers arent getting an early 1st for Risto. The return we get for him wont impact our draft. Its unlikely we would be able to move up either. Only way i see the flyers moving up is if nsh decides the want to win now and flips it. We werent gettingvany significant return for seeler or Hathaway. Laughton maybe a late first. Risto unlikely to get us a 1st. Sanheim and TKvare probably the only guys we could move for an early 1st. Farabee, Tippett could probably get you that 11th ish area pick
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I think they can get a first from the Sens or a team like that, if they pull the trigger early. This draft seems to not have elite talent but it seems the first round as a whole is deep. They have 3 picks now, if they can get 1 or 2 more, perfect. It is not likely to trade up into the top 5 but having 5 picks in a first round that is deep and not overly elite might actually help.

There are things DB has done or not done, I disagree with, but he grade for me, will come in the next 6 months. He could still get an A, currently sitting as a C to C-

I think they will also be asked to eat a contract for RR.
- WhiskeyMan

not sure what is going with Perron with the Sens, maybe he is hurt but zero points. Sens are an example of where you can move a Laughton and find a way to sweeten to get their first in 2025.

not sure what is going with Perron with the Sens, maybe he is hurt but zero points. Sens are an example of where you can move a Laughton and find a way to sweeten to get their first in 2025.
- wcorvette

He is on IR. I would think about the deal, maybe if they eat some salary next season.

not sure what is going with Perron with the Sens, maybe he is hurt but zero points. Sens are an example of where you can move a Laughton and find a way to sweeten to get their first in 2025.
- wcorvette

You will get Tyler Boucher and like it

He is on IR. I would

think about the deal, maybe if they eat some salary next season.
- WhiskeyMan

yea, there is a deal there, could be the redwings, hell Columbus might want something, the Rangers, DB has no excuse at this point

It must be dawning on some of these kids that matter how much they stick to the system, how much they support each other, how much they sacrifice personally... at the end of the day when a superior opponent comes along they really don't have any hope of winning.

I guess that's building character?
- Tomahawk

Culture, baby

Jett suspended 2 games

Lycksell in and not sure who is coming out. If by play, should be time for Ryan P to take a break.

You will get Tyler Boucher and like it
- TobyFlenderson

I'm thankful every day that Briere's kids suck too much at hockey to be a threat.

Jett suspended 2 games

Lycksell in and not sure who is coming out. If by play, should be time for Ryan P to take a break.
- wcorvette

Generals sign Noah Powell.

Jett suspended 2 games
- wcorvette

He also wasn't dealt at the TDL.

https://www.guelphtoday.c...t-trade-deadline-10059468