No. When you look at SJ, ANA and CHI you see what a true TANK looks like. You are confusing tanking for rebuilding. We'll see in a few years where SJ, ANA and CHI are in the standings. We'll see how Bedard, Carlsson and Smith develop.

The agree pickjing 7-16 every year is not going to get it done. But I also think the Flyers will be picking higher this year, and with all their other picks and more cap space coming off the books, they will be a good position to take more significant steps to build a good team.
- jd250

It's hysterical when you tell someone else they're confused. They will be the same thing they've always been. A capped out playoff bubble team that will eventually be right back where they are now. Spewing that they don't want to be like teams at the bottom and get stuck there. They have zero awareness that they've been stuck in the same rut for 15 dam years!

Was Hayes having a career year under the coach? The same coach you and others glorify.

He was not a cancer in any way. It was reported and said many times he was very well liked in the “room”. Torts had it out for him form day 1. Never wanted to make it work. What other players has it given the opportunity to?

Well, it is your opinion he can fire those coaches. Mine is he can’t. If he can what is he waiting for? There is enough info to see they suck balls on the PP. Is it incompetence then? Why keep them?

Ivan trade was fine. One can argue he should have got more back for taking on 2 salary dumps for multiple years.

This is not a rebuild. Really amazed how many people are really fooled by this management team.
- login

Disagree on Hayes yes he like by his teammates, but he doesn't like todo what the coach wants. And is very difficult to coach which makes him a cancer to a locker room.

It's why he was traded to penguins from blues.

I agree why keep them? Your guess is as good as mine.

6 picks in 2 rds sounds like a rebuilding team.
And you could possibly see more picks in those 2 rds.

I would have like to fall further in the standings this year to really speed things up.




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I think Michkov is going to be a really good player but are you aware of how badly he is struggling at 5 on 5?
- MJL

I am. But that is to be expected. I would prefer a different coaching staff, but that ain’t happening. He’s hyper-competitive and has elite skills. He needs to grow and adjust to the speed and size of the NHL, especially at 5 on 5 but he’ll get there. Funny, after his goal, he was far more noticeable the next several shifts. Confidence has a lot to do with it, ability and determination do as well. I think, and I’m repeating myself, he has the wrong coaching staff. I don’t believe this staff sits down with young players one on one and goes over film and observations like modern coaching staffs do. Maybe I’m wrong, but he seems like the type of self-motivated player that if ya one on one break down film and actually coach up the guy, he would respond well.

Also, some of the passes he makes (which it’s amazing how he sees the ice) would be better made to players who were able to handle the biscuit once it got there.

It's not because of the mistakes of the past regime. It's because they haven't learned from the mistakes of the past regime.
- MJL

You don't know that. They have yet to make any mistakes of the past regimes, for example, rushing to over-evaluate their young talent as Hextall and Fletcher did.

It's hysterical when you tell someone else they're confused. They will be the same thing they've always been. A capped out playoff bubble team that will eventually be right back where they are now. Spewing that they don't want to be like teams at the bottom and get stuck there. They have zero awareness that they've been stuck in the same rut for 15 dam years!
- MJL

The Flyers are already NOT a capped out playoff bubble team, so what the hell are you talking about?

You don't know that. They have yet to make any mistakes of the past regimes, for example, rushing to over-evaluate their young talent as Hextall and Fletcher did.
- jd250

Yes I do know that and yes they have made the same mistakes as the past. They re-signed Travis Konecny. They signed Tippett to an 8 year deal. They refuse to do what needs to be done. You're either uninformed or are just exercising blind faith.

The Flyers are already NOT a capped out playoff bubble team, so what the hell are you talking about?
- jd250

would you like to see the flyers add any free agents this summer? if so who?

The Flyers are already NOT a capped out playoff bubble team, so what the hell are you talking about?
- jd250

Try and follow along. They WILL be a capped out playoff bubble team. What I'm talking about is what has been happening right in front of your eyes but you are blind to it.

I told you all what he was at BC and no one listened. You saw it on full display last night. Besides being a complete and total disaster in his end, where he lost puck battles and had several give aways that directly lead to Flyers' goals, he is a perimeter player that has a lot of shot attempts and very few shots on net. He will shoot from anywhere. Not once did you see Cutter inside the dots last night, same as it was at BC. You see guys, when I watch hockey, I look for things that matter, not naturalstattrick numbers. Does the player win puck battles? Do they play between the dots? Do they not panic in their own end? Are they predicatable when they have the puck? Do they see the ice well? Can they keep up and play at game speed? You can only see these things by, you guessed it, watching the game! The fans wantd desperately to Boo Quitter when he got the puck, but he had the puck so infrequently, they had to Boo loudly just when he stepped on the ice. And I love the treatment Risto, the Flyers best defenseman, gave him also.
- jd250

TL;DR -- you also said job was "the goods"

The Flyers are already NOT a capped out playoff bubble team, so what the hell are you talking about?
- groundskeeper jd250

Are you doing this on purpose? You did the same thing the other day. Posters are talking about where they see the team in the future under the current regime and either you lack the critical thinking skills to see that or are purposefully ignoring that and stating where they are right now.

You move the goalposts so much you should be the Hockeybuzz groundskeeper. You are like a drive-by shooter who throws out some opinion as fact and by the time it has been proven wrong you are miles down the road pretending it never happened. Claiming all along your most recent opinion was always your opinion. Its Orwellian.

Yes I do know that and yes they have made the same mistakes as the past. They re-signed Travis Konecny. They signed Tippett to an 8 year deal. They refuse to do what needs to be done. You're either uninformed or are just exercising blind faith.
- MJL

If they were smart they would try to move Konecny while is is playing great and before his NMC kicks in next year.

I know he is signed long term but at that amount, he might not be a terrible add for a team looking to compete. Say in a deal for Petterson in VAN, would allow VAN to still compete for the playoffs.

This team just has no leadership in the FO that can make decisions to take this team out of purgatory. They seem scared to make the hard calls to actually do what is needed even though most smart fans are clamoring for it and would probably be ok with it

If they were smart they would try to move Konecny while is is playing great and before his NMC kicks in next year.

I know he is signed long term but at that amount, he might not be a terrible add for a team looking to compete. Say in a deal for Petterson in VAN, would allow VAN to still compete for the playoffs.

This team just has no leadership in the FO that can make decisions to take this team out of purgatory. They seem scared to make the hard calls to actually do what is needed even though most smart fans are clamoring for it and would probably be ok with it
- J35Bacher

flip side is you want to keep a TK if you can acquire that top line center.

Though I get what you're saying and don't disagree. They wouldn't trade TK unless for Connor or Matthews.

Scared dogs indeed. Does EP have a no trade clause?

flip side is you want to keep a TK if you can acquire that top line center.

Though I get what you're saying and don't disagree. They wouldn't trade TK unless for Connor or Matthews.

Scared dogs indeed. Does EP have a no trade clause?
- login

For me no.

Because I don't think the FLyers are that close. Also because of extension to Tippett and Farabee, that's a good amount of term and money tied up in wingers. Add you'll need to eventually give a new deal to Forester, Brink, Michkov.

I am just not a fan of whatever plan they have right now and how they are building this team.

For me no.

Because I don't think the FLyers are that close. Also because of extension to Tippett and Farabee, that's a good amount of term and money tied up in wingers. Add you'll need to eventually give a new deal to Forester, Brink, Michkov.

I am just not a fan of whatever plan they have right now and how they are building this team.
- J35Bacher

from the flyers POV they want to compete and make the playoffs.

They can trade farabee if they want. May not get much. Trade Laughton to save more money. Yes, won't happen though there is a path. However, is their a path to get EP without TK involved?

agree in bold 100%

Disagree on Hayes yes he like by his teammates, but he doesn't like todo what the coach wants. And is very difficult to coach which makes him a cancer to a locker room.

It's why he was traded to penguins from blues.

I agree why keep them? Your guess is as good as mine.

6 picks in 2 rds sounds like a rebuilding team.
And you could possibly see more picks in those 2 rds.

I would have like to fall further in the standings this year to really speed things up.







- SlNlSTER[img][/img]

Rebuilding teams do not extend players like seeler, Hathaway, and poehling. They definitely trade players like tk to garner more assets

They flyers are not rebuilding - they are trying to retool on the fly and it is working marvelously

would you like to see the flyers add any free agents this summer? if so who?
- login

No, at least not any significant free agents. I don't think they are there yet for that.

TL;DR -- you also said job was "the goods"
- corduroy

He was starting to develop well until he got hurt. I can't control that.

Disagree on Hayes yes he like by his teammates, but he doesn't like todo what the coach wants. And is very difficult to coach which makes him a cancer to a locker room.

It's why he was traded to penguins from blues.

I agree why keep them? Your guess is as good as mine.

6 picks in 2 rds sounds like a rebuilding team.
And you could possibly see more picks in those 2 rds.

I would have like to fall further in the standings this year to really speed things up.





- SlNlSTER[img][/img]

Hayes was not a cancer in any way. The issue was simple. Hayes is a slow footed, east west type player. The Flyers want to play a faster, more modern north south type of game. Hayes was not longer a fit for the style the Flyers wanted to play so they moved on from him. It's not personal .. its strictly business.

Try and follow along. They WILL be a capped out playoff bubble team. What I'm talking about is what has been happening right in front of your eyes but you are blind to it.
- MJL

The Flyers are not curently nor will they be a capped out bubble team anytime soon. perhaps you should open your eyes, which will be a first.

Are you doing this on purpose? You did the same thing the other day. Posters are talking about where they see the team in the future under the current regime and either you lack the critical thinking skills to see that or are purposefully ignoring that and stating where they are right now.

You move the goalposts so much you should be the Hockeybuzz groundskeeper. You are like a drive-by shooter who throws out some opinion as fact and by the time it has been proven wrong you are miles down the road pretending it never happened. Claiming all along your most recent opinion was always your opinion. Its Orwellian.
- MBFlyerfan

I often wonder if this is all a trolling schtick myself.

Rebuilding teams do not extend players like seeler, Hathaway, and poehling. They definitely trade players like tk to garner more assets

They flyers are not rebuilding - they are trying to retool on the fly and it is working marvelously
- corduroy

Seeler you wouldn't get much regardless, and you could make him the 7th defenseman when younger guys take a step up.

Don't necessarily think it's bad signing hathaway, he help keep the other team from bullying us and plays hard every shift, which is great for young kids to see( example a kid that's not good enough to crack the top 6 but now see another path to be successful and mirror.

Poehling no clue why they signed him, but he is really not holding anyone back.
If a young kid can win a job over him then the kid not ready.

Some kids I get you want to get some ice time and see if they ready, the problem is doing so you could ruin them, the one's who are ready will surpass the one's in the way.

Having a team full of kids 18 to 25 and no or very little veterans is a bad idea, it's not working for Buffalo as a example

There more then one way to rebuild and tanking doesn't need to happen to be competitive later down the road

He was starting to develop well until he got hurt. I can't control that.
- jd250

A player drafted in the first round that never gets offered an ELC has not developed well.

Seeler you wouldn't get much regardless, and you could make him the 7th defenseman when younger guys take a step up.

Don't necessarily think it's bad signing hathaway, he help keep the other team from bullying us and plays hard every shift, which is great for young kids to see( example a kid that's not good enough to crack the top 6 but now see another path to be successful and mirror.

Poehling no clue why they signed him, but he is really not holding anyone back.
If a young kid can win a job over him then the kid not ready.

Some kids I get you want to get some ice time and see if they ready, the problem is doing so you could ruin them, the one's who are ready will surpass the one's in the way.

Having a team full of kids 18 to 25 and no or very little veterans is a bad idea, it's not working for Buffalo as a example

There more then one way to rebuild and tanking doesn't need to happen to be competitive later down the road
- SlNlSTER

You take the draft pick for Seeler then sign a vet for 1 year at much less money. Not a hard concept.

Sign a guy for 4 years at 2.7 to be your 7th dman. Does that make sense to you?

You take the draft pick for Seeler then sign a vet for 1 year at much less money. Not a hard concept.

Sign a guy for 4 years at 2.7 to be your 7th dman. Does that make sense to you?
- furio16

He got 3 years left, I expect the 4th year him to be sitting, and the replacement gonna cost you, yes you could find cheaper but also less quality.

Again not really holding anything back.

But currently he is not your 7th but eventually he will be.

And really over paying a defenseman by 1 million the end of the world.

Risto price tag is far more damaging then seeler

He got 3 years left, I expect the 4th year him to be sitting, and the replacement gonna cost you, yes you could find cheaper but also less quality.

Again not really holding anything back.

But currently he is not your 7th but eventually he will be.

And really over paying a defenseman by 1 million the end of the world.

Risto price tag is far more damaging then seeler
- SlNlSTER

A replacement will not cost 4 years at 2.7.

Seeler are available every summer. Flyers never win at the margins.