I think that Frost has always been a tradeable asset. The issue is that Frost struggling in the front part of the season and then getting better in the 2nd half is becoming a pattern. That has to be corrected if he is going to reach a 2C level.

Ristolainen was not good last night. Most of the Flyers defenseman weren't. Zamula was their best defenseman last night overall.
- MJL

I’ll agree to disagree on Risto. Considering how the defending champs forecheck the hell out of teams and how big they are I actually thought the D held up well after a rough opening 20 minutes. We’ll see what happens with Frost…pretty apparent the head coach is not a fan….even after having 11 points or so in his last 12 hames Torts kept coming back to the brutal give away by Frost that ended up in front of the Flyers net. We all know that up till now….Torts gets what Torts wants.

They have two more seasons to decide what to do with Cates. I don’t see them rushing to resign him long term. They rushed to sign Tippett because they actually thought he was about to break out with a 35-40 goal season and were thinking they were getting a bargain. I don’t think anyone in the organization is thinking Cates is about to break out into a top 6 scoring long term.
- psuhockey

Agreed. there should be absolutely no rush to make a decision at this time. If someone wants to overpay I would be willing to move him or anyone else not named MM39. He has been a really good player lately but I am not sure his offence holds up over the long run. Will be fun to watch...

I think Cates should make it really easy for Briere to trade Laughton at this point. Cates is a younger, better, version of Laughton that is actually better at center than wing. Cates is only going to get better at this point. He can play in all situations and in all three zones, and his confidence is swelling. He has a bit of Mike Richards in him also, which I like. Cates is part of the solution here.
- jd250

that is BS as you hope that happens. not fact by any means. Laughton i also a winger at this point. he hasn't been a good center in years. keeping cates shouldn't have anything to do with Laughton.

solution to what? wallowing in mediocrity at best?

They have two more seasons to decide what to do with Cates. I don’t see them rushing to resign him long term. They rushed to sign Tippett because they actually thought he was about to break out with a 35-40 goal season and were thinking they were getting a bargain. I don’t think anyone in the organization is thinking Cates is about to break out into a top 6 scoring long term.
- psuhockey

don't underestimate the stupidity of the flyers.

I’ll agree to disagree on Risto. Considering how the defending champs forecheck the hell out of teams and how big they are I actually thought the D held up well after a rough opening 20 minutes. We’ll see what happens with Frost…pretty apparent the head coach is not a fan….even after having 11 points or so in his last 12 hames Torts kept coming back to the brutal give away by Frost that ended up in front of the Flyers net. We all know that up till now….Torts gets what Torts wants.
- landros 2

I thought Risto played well last night. Drysdale on that brutal pass to TK along the blue line that lead to the shorty was awful.

I wouldn’t move Cates.
- landros 2

Depends on the contract demands. I do not want the Flyers locking him up for more than 3 years. He is a good bottom six center though. I would prefer to keep him at this point.

They have two more seasons to decide what to do with Cates. I don’t see them rushing to resign him long term. They rushed to sign Tippett because they actually thought he was about to break out with a 35-40 goal season and were thinking they were getting a bargain. I don’t think anyone in the organization is thinking Cates is about to break out into a top 6 scoring long term.
- psuhockey

I thought Cates will be 27 by the end of next season. He could file for abitration this summer and then be a UFA in summer '26. Maybe I'm wrong. Teams this trade deadline are looking for centers. I would prefer Briere cash in while his value is high right now.

There ya go!! We need more people like you on this forum willing to admit it.

Regarding Briere, I just don't get the narrative that he is not a competent GM. He has only been in the job 17 months. ALL GMs have their good moments and their bad monents. No GM is perfect. I think there has been far more good with Briere than bad. Some trolls on this forum with a clear agenda have pinned the Quitter Gauthier issue on Briere, but I think that is not only inaccurate, its completely unfair. Quitter still is hiding and does not want to answer questions. Briere came out right away. Which one do you believe or should you believe at this point? Its really common sense.


- jd250

Actually your opinion here is the absence of common sense. As if talk is a determining factor. While it's true that Gauthier has made a few statements that were ill advised. It is the Flyers that set out on a full blown coordinated media campaign to disparage the player. Rather than just saying they felt a trade needed to be made. The simple fact that is indisputable is that if the Flyers hadn't made the foolish decision to not sign him in March of 23, the situation never would've happened.

But for the good, dumping Hayes was a great move. Trying to trade Sanheim also worked out well in the end because it lit a fire under Sanheim's butt. Getting something for Gauthier in the end will be a great move. You saw last night what Drysdale is capable of. If he can stay on the ice, I think Drysdale is going to develop under Shaw to be a very good defenseman. The Walker trade last deadline for a 1st round pick. The Provorov trade was an absolute stroke of genious. Getting Michkov over here only after 1 season, and secretly courting Michkov before the draft. I mean, come on, Briere has done a lot of good work here.


- jd250

This is a perfect illustration. You're actually trying to spin that Briere wanting to trade Sanheim for Krug was a good thing. Ignoring the incredibly stupid evaluation and incompetence that led to the team accepting that trade and were only saved by Krug vetoing the trade. That is Fletcher level all again. Shaw is not the coach you think he is. Michkov was a gift to the Flyers and was an easy move to make

Besides the Quitter criticism, and of course the fact that Briere has not fired Torts, the other big criticism is his drafting of Luchanko over Buium. We'll see how this turns out. Its way too early to judge this draft choice. What else can be criticized at this point? Obviously if Briere has a poor deadline we can bash him for that, but I don't think he will.
- jd250

That is incorrect. The biggest criticism is that there is no indication that Briere is a change agent for the team. Reality is that he is weak and is under the influence of both Jones and Tortorella especially. Who is going to continue with the same failed philosophies and strategies that has kept the team irrelevant for 15 years and counting .

I think Cates should make it really easy for Briere to trade Laughton at this point. Cates is a younger, better, version of Laughton that is actually better at center than wing. Cates is only going to get better at this point. He can play in all situations and in all three zones, and his confidence is swelling. He has a bit of Mike Richards in him also, which I like. Cates is part of the solution here.
- jd250

How do you know that Cates is only going to get better. How can you possibly know that?

How long has briere been with the organization? How long did he shadow chuck? this isn't some outsider coming in blind. I do not believe him or the flyer at all in regards to the cutter situation.

a lot of good work, wow you keep slurping. He isnt allowed to fire torts. Hell, he isn't even allowed to fire Rocky. What else can he be criticized for? Really? Ivan trade a stroke of genius lol.
- login

Wow, you sound foolish. Let's recap the Provorov trade shall we:

The Flyers trade Provorov and forward Hayden Hodgson to Los Angeles in exchange for goalie Cal Petersen, defenseman Sean Walker, defenseman Helge Grans and the Kings' 2024 second-round pick. In the same deal the Flyers trade defenseman Kevin Connauton to Columbus for a 2023 first-round pick (22nd overall) and what turned out to be a 2025 2nd round pick. The Flyers then flipped Walker for a 2025 1st round pick.

So, for Provorov and two nobody's, the Flyers got 2 first round picks, 2 second round picks, Helge Grans who will probably make the team next year and a goalie whose contract they partially burried in the AHL and who will be gone after this season.

With Columbus' 22nd pick, the Flyers drafted Oliver Bonk who so far looks like he will develop into a very nice defenseman. This trade also enabled the Flyers to have 6 picks in the first rounds of this 2025 draft.

So YES, this was pure genious!

Last 3 games frost look great if he plays like that i can handle his dumb moments

So far this season i have been proven right if he is not scoring he is useless

Proving i was right and your stats ment absolutely nothing, very different in watching the games then looking at a spreadsheet
- SlNlSTER

Frost always has a better 2nd half of the season than first half.

There ya go!! We need more people like you on this forum willing to admit it.

Regarding Briere, I just don't get the narrative that he is not a competent GM. He has only been in the job 17 months. ALL GMs have their good moments and their bad monents. No GM is perfect. I think there has been far more good with Briere than bad. Some trolls on this forum with a clear agenda have pinned the Quitter Gauthier issue on Briere, but I think that is not only inaccurate, its completely unfair. Quitter still is hiding and does not want to answer questions. Briere came out right away. Which one do you believe or should you believe at this point? Its really common sense.

But for the good, dumping Hayes was a great move. Trying to trade Sanheim also worked out well in the end because it lit a fire under Sanheim's butt. Getting something for Gauthier in the end will be a great move. You saw last night what Drysdale is capable of. If he can stay on the ice, I think Drysdale is going to develop under Shaw to be a very good defenseman. The Walker trade last deadline for a 1st round pick. The Provorov trade was an absolute stroke of genious. Getting Michkov over here only after 1 season, and secretly courting Michkov before the draft. I mean, come on, Briere has done a lot of good work here.

Besides the Quitter criticism, and of course the fact that Briere has not fired Torts, the other big criticism is his drafting of Luchanko over Buium. We'll see how this turns out. Its way too early to judge this draft choice. What else can be criticized at this point? Obviously if Briere has a poor deadline we can bash him for that, but I don't think he will.
- jd250

Briere hasn’t done anything he wasn’t forced to do. He hasn’t made one tough decision at all yet. I’m fairly positive about the teams future but that will be in spite of Briere’s GMing not because of it.

How do you know that Cates is only going to get better. How can you possibly know that?

- MJL

The same way I know you wear footy pajamas and play with plastic sticks

They have two more seasons to decide what to do with Cates. I don’t see them rushing to resign him long term. They rushed to sign Tippett because they actually thought he was about to break out with a 35-40 goal season and were thinking they were getting a bargain. I don’t think anyone in the organization is thinking Cates is about to break out into a top 6 scoring long term.
- psuhockey

No, they need to decide on Cates this year into the Summer. Not two more seasons. He is an RFA after this season. If the Flyers thought that Tippett was ready to break out with a 35-40 goal season, that is an indictment on their player evaluation abilities. Signing him to an 8 year deal was a mistake.

Briere hasn’t done anything he wasn’t forced to do. He hasn’t made one tough decision at all yet. I’m fairly positive about the teams future but that will be in spite of Briere’s GMing not because of it.
- psuhockey

Huh? So you think the Flyers will succeed, but by luck and in spite of Briere

The same way I know you wear footy pajamas and play with plastic sticks
- jd250

Funny how everyone that does not agree w your pie in the sky fandom are trolls. And then you post this... unreal.

I thought Cates will be 27 by the end of next season. He could file for abitration this summer and then be a UFA in summer '26. Maybe I'm wrong. Teams this trade deadline are looking for centers. I would prefer Briere cash in while his value is high right now.
- Trox88

next time they sell high will be the 1st

There ya go!! We need more people like you on this forum willing to admit it.

Regarding Briere, I just don't get the narrative that he is not a competent GM. He has only been in the job 17 months. ALL GMs have their good moments and their bad monents. No GM is perfect. I think there has been far more good with Briere than bad. Some trolls on this forum with a clear agenda have pinned the Quitter Gauthier issue on Briere, but I think that is not only inaccurate, its completely unfair. Quitter still is hiding and does not want to answer questions. Briere came out right away. Which one do you believe or should you believe at this point? Its really common sense.

But for the good, dumping Hayes was a great move. Trying to trade Sanheim also worked out well in the end because it lit a fire under Sanheim's butt. Getting something for Gauthier in the end will be a great move. You saw last night what Drysdale is capable of. If he can stay on the ice, I think Drysdale is going to develop under Shaw to be a very good defenseman. The Walker trade last deadline for a 1st round pick. The Provorov trade was an absolute stroke of genious. Getting Michkov over here only after 1 season, and secretly courting Michkov before the draft. I mean, come on, Briere has done a lot of good work here.

Besides the Quitter criticism, and of course the fact that Briere has not fired Torts, the other big criticism is his drafting of Luchanko over Buium. We'll see how this turns out. Its way too early to judge this draft choice. What else can be criticized at this point? Obviously if Briere has a poor deadline we can bash him for that, but I don't think he will.
- jd250

As far as Risto….when he’s played well I’ve said it….when he doesn’t play well I have no problem saying so….he’s not the type of player I’m dying on the hill for.

As far as the two trades you mention, those late 1rst rounders came with some hideous contracts. All his trades have been low hanging fruit type of deals….none are or approach or signal a direction towards something. I give Briere NO credit for the failed Sanheim trade…even as a fan of the Flyers I can’t spin something that much. The Whole Guathier thing was just a mess….a mess a rebuilding team can’t afford. DB is the guy in charge…that can’t be swept under the rug even if the kid is an azz.
As far as Luchanko….time will tell. I didn’t like the pick, but it’s obvious the Flyers liked him more then Buium…again won’t die on the hill to debate two players I’ve seen play only a hand full of times.

No, they need to decide on Cates this year into the Summer. Not two more seasons. He is an RFA after this season. If the Flyers thought that Tippett was ready to break out with a 35-40 goal season, that is an indictment on their player evaluation abilities. Signing him to an 8 year deal was a mistake.
- MJL

Tippet will be a 30 goal scorer in this league. If not this year, then in the not so distant future. Just by the fact the team will improve and he will play with better players. So in your mind having a 30 goal scorer in your lineup that can skate and generate offense on his own like Tippet does for $6.25M with the cap increasing signfiicantly is a bad thing? I wonder if Hextall signed him to that deal if you would feel the same way?

next time they sell high will be the 1st
- login

That's a fair assessment.

I’ll agree to disagree on Risto. Considering how the defending champs forecheck the hell out of teams and how big they are I actually thought the D held up well after a rough opening 20 minutes. We’ll see what happens with Frost…pretty apparent the head coach is not a fan….even after having 11 points or so in his last 12 hames Torts kept coming back to the brutal give away by Frost that ended up in front of the Flyers net. We all know that up till now….Torts gets what Torts wants.
- landros 2

The Flyers top pairing got absolutely crushed last night.

Ristolainen was 50% on shot share, xGF% was 38.22 Scoring chances were 8-4 Panthers.

I said earlier that I thought Zamula was the Flyers best defenseman but I'd actually put him 2nd. Drysdale was their best overall D man last night. The rest of the D, although they had the toughest matchups got it handed to them last night. The Flyers lose that game 9 out of 10 times.

Wow, you sound foolish. Let's recap the Provorov trade shall we:

The Flyers trade Provorov and forward Hayden Hodgson to Los Angeles in exchange for goalie Cal Petersen, defenseman Sean Walker, defenseman Helge Grans and the Kings' 2024 second-round pick. In the same deal the Flyers trade defenseman Kevin Connauton to Columbus for a 2023 first-round pick (22nd overall) and what turned out to be a 2025 2nd round pick. The Flyers then flipped Walker for a 2025 1st round pick.

So, for Provorov and two nobody's, the Flyers got 2 first round picks, 2 second round picks, Helge Grans who will probably make the team next year and a goalie whose contract they partially burried in the AHL and who will be gone after this season.

With Columbus' 22nd pick, the Flyers drafted Oliver Bonk who so far looks like he will develop into a very nice defenseman. This trade also enabled the Flyers to have 6 picks in the first rounds of this 2025 draft.

So YES, this was pure genious!
- jd250

yes lets recap it. They took on a terrible contract for 2 years for Ivan. One can easily argue they should have received more. They also received back a fledgling prospect who danny didn't even know or seen play.

Flipped walker for another 2 year contract dump. Included a 5th. No problem with either deal though to make it like is was this genius move is ill advised.

you telling anyone they sound foolish is pure entertainment.

I thought Risto played well last night. Drysdale on that brutal pass to TK along the blue line that lead to the shorty was awful.
- Flyfly

Those passes happen….it was his back check that had me shaking my head. Some things are controllable…effort being one of them.

The Flyers top pairing got absolutely crushed last night.

Ristolainen was 50% on shot share, xGF% was 38.22 Scoring chances were 8-4 Panthers.

I said earlier that I thought Zamula was the Flyers best defenseman but I'd actually put him 2nd. Drysdale was their best overall D man last night. The rest of the D, although they had the toughest matchups got it handed to them last night. The Flyers lose that game 9 out of 10 times.
- MJL

I thought Drysdale as okay. First shorty was all on him w a lazy cross ice pass to TK on the blue line. He then made a really good play that setup a goal. With Drysdale it feels like on step forward and then one step back. The kid has skill but really needs some type of consistency to his game if he is ever going to progress.

Tippet will be a 30 goal scorer in this league. If not this year, then in the not so distant future. Just by the fact the team will improve and he will play with better players. So in your mind having a 30 goal scorer in your lineup that can skate and generate offense on his own like Tippet does for $6.25M with the cap increasing signfiicantly is a bad thing? I wonder if Hextall signed him to that deal if you would feel the same way?
- jd250

How do you know that? How can you possibly know that? You have no way of knowing that now.

Tippet is currently not worth his contract. He is trending backwards. He is a goal scorer that is not scoring goals at a high rate and his overall point rate ranks 9th on the team. He is not a player that should've been signed to an 8 year deal.