Come on, TJ. You're not this dumb. Yes, Fox has two goals. He is also still on pace for 65 points and even in the worst season of his career is 8th in Dman scoring. Talk about cherry picking stats.
Do we want more from him? Of course. Is he overpaid or washed up? Not by a long shot. Or, more to the point, we certainly don't have enough info to say.
Come on, Mr. Positive. Let's keep perspective here.
- Tonybere

Iam dumb, that been long established here. Not as dumb as others

He isn’t worth 9.5 million bucks, just like Trouba wasn’t worth 8 something, Zibs 8 something, Panarins 11 something.

That’s all I’m really saying. We want to trade everyone else but him and it makes no sense to me 🤷🏻‍♂️

Iam dumb, that been long established here. Not as dumb as others

He isn’t worth 9.5 million bucks, just like Trouba wasn’t worth 8 something, Zibs 8 something, Panarins 11 something.

That’s all I’m really saying. We want to trade everyone else but him and it makes no sense to me 🤷🏻‍♂️
- Slimtj100

Fox was worth $9.5m up until this season. He is not getting a dime less than $8m on the open market.

Its okay to overpay elite talent by a slight margin. Zib and trouba were never elite do not over pay them.

Are you happy to ovepay for a ferrari or a Honda? Come on

Fox was worth $9.5m up until this season. He is not getting a dime less than $8m on the open market.

Its okay to overpay elite talent by a slight margin. Zib and trouba were never elite do not over pay them.

Are you happy to ovepay for a ferrari or a Honda? Come on
- nyrangers2

I agree with this. I don’t get the Fox argument. Yeah, he’s been bad, but who hasn’t? Just because he’s having a bad season doesn’t make him expendable. Should he be called out to step up? Yes. Just like everyone else… trade him? Heck no.

Fox was worth $9.5m up until this season. He is not getting a dime less than $8m on the open market.

Its okay to overpay elite talent by a slight margin. Zib and trouba were never elite do not over pay them.

Are you happy to ovepay for a ferrari or a Honda? Come on
- nyrangers2

what the hell are you talking about?

Zib had a 91 pt season, covid season he had 75 pts in 57 games and was an MVP candidate and scored at will. So he was at some point worth it. I’m saying the same thing may be happening to Fox now, where he peaked and it’s down hill from here

Fox is teflon by most of you fine. I expect more, sue me lol.

Iam dumb, that been long established here. Not as dumb as others

He isn’t worth 9.5 million bucks, just like Trouba wasn’t worth 8 something, Zibs 8 something, Panarins 11 something.

That’s all I’m really saying. We want to trade everyone else but him and it makes no sense to me 🤷🏻‍♂️
- Slimtj100

Dumb was too harsh. I had hoped my edit went in before anyone repsonded!

what the hell are you talking about?

Zib had a 91 pt season, covid season he had 75 pts in 57 games and was an MVP candidate and scored at will. So he was at some point worth it. I’m saying the same thing may be happening to Fox now, where he peaked and it’s down hill from here

Fox is teflon by most of you fine. I expect more, sue me lol.
- Slimtj100

The point is that you have absolutely zero evidence that this is the new standard of performance from Fox. Knee injuries often take a full calendar year or more to come back from 100%.
Patience and faith, my friend!

The point is that you have absolutely zero evidence that this is the new standard of performance from Fox. Knee injuries often take a full calendar year or more to come back from 100%.
Patience and faith, my friend!
- Tonybere

The PP was 1 for 30 recently lol

I submit this as evidence yaw honor

I said he’s playing better ffs. No one is really seeing my point. That if the rebuild/retool happens, it’s pointless to keep him around. That’s all up in the air as of now since they’ve turned the corner kind of

what the hell are you talking about?

Zib had a 91 pt season, covid season he had 75 pts in 57 games and was an MVP candidate and scored at will. So he was at some point worth it. I’m saying the same thing may be happening to Fox now, where he peaked and it’s down hill from here

Fox is teflon by most of you fine. I expect more, sue me lol.
- Slimtj100

Hate to tell you but Zib was never elite. Even that 91 point season was PP driven. Was he very good to great, yes. Top 5-10 at your position is elite. That just how I define elite. Panarin Fox and Igor only players on NY currently that have ever been "elite"

Zib is declining at 31-32. Fox is 26. Very different. Again Fox having a really off year for his standards just not the norm. He is not teflon

Hate to tell you but Zib was never elite. Even that 91 point season was PP driven. Was he very good to great, yes. Top 5-10 at your position is elite. That just how I define elite. Panarin Fox and Igor only players on NY currently that have ever been "elite"

Zib is declining at 31-32. Fox is 26. Very different.
- nyrangers2

everything about the rangers success recent years is PP driven

Zib was elite, some of you just refuse to admit that he ever was. I still hold on to maybe he can be that again. Because man he was one of the best Rangers I’ve ever seen for a couple of years

That makes it even worse if he is declining, Fox being 26. He doesn’t look the same to me, this is my opinion

everything about the rangers success recent years is PP driven

Zib was elite, some of you just refuse to admit that he ever was. I still hold on to maybe he can be that again. Because man he was one of the best Rangers I’ve ever seen for a couple of years

That makes it even worse if he is declining, Fox being 26. He doesn’t look the same to me, this is my opinion
- Slimtj100

Ranger were PP merchants for years but 65% of Fox points came at 5v5. He has been one of their best at that over the years.

Hate to tell you but Zib was never elite. Even that 91 point season was PP driven. Was he very good to great, yes. Top 5-10 at your position is elite. That just how I define elite. Panarin Fox and Igor only players on NY currently that have ever been "elite"

Zib is declining at 31-32. Fox is 26. Very different. Again Fox having a really off year for his standards just not the norm. He is not teflon
- nyrangers2

41 goals in 57 games is definitely elite. If that season never got derailed who knows what they could have done.

41 goals in 57 games is definitely elite. If that season never got derailed who knows what they could have done.
- JRR1285

We cherry pick who we hate lol they’re all guilty, especially this year

BUT, the last 3 games they’ve looked like a playoff team at the very least. So we’ll see what happens

41 goals in 57 games is definitely elite. If that season never got derailed who knows what they could have done.
- JRR1285

Its like Taylor Hall. Had one elite Hart season and then returned to his norm and declined. Zib that one year you could argue was elite but unlike panarin fox igor has not done it for a long period of time.

Fox has had 4 elite years. Consistency is key for me

We cherry pick who we hate lol they’re all guilty, especially this year

BUT, the last 3 games they’ve looked like a playoff team at the very least. So we’ll see what happens
- Slimtj100

I happen to like Zib. Just was never a true believer in his play bc he was so PP reliant.

The only player I could not tolerate was trouba

On another note Berard should be back in the lineup

We cherry pick who we hate lol they’re all guilty, especially this year

BUT, the last 3 games they’ve looked like a playoff team at the very least. So we’ll see what happens
- Slimtj100

I'm saying this with love in my heart but you play devil's advocate with every single player top to bottom of the lineup and with the team as a whole. We're picking on a player? You are incredulous about it. We defend a guy or don't criticize him, you choose him to call out. The team is the worst team in the league for 2 months? Not gonna stand for the negativity around here.

Most of us are reasonable people (relatively speaking) and understand no one is 100% good or 100% bad and there's room for discussion. Join the team bro. We all want to win. Fox is a top 10 defenseman and he's having a down year (top 3 in a good year) and is absolutely worth his contract. He's having a DOWN year, like i said. But it's not worth much more of a discussion than that.

Love,
Pickle

everything about the rangers success recent years is PP driven

Zib was elite, some of you just refuse to admit that he ever was. I still hold on to maybe he can be that again. Because man he was one of the best Rangers I’ve ever seen for a couple of years

That makes it even worse if he is declining, Fox being 26. He doesn’t look the same to me, this is my opinion
- Slimtj100

So, in his 30's you believe Zib might regain his form. But, at 26 it's not possible that Fox could?
Sorry man, I ain't buyin' it.

So, in his 30's you believe Zib might regain his form. But, at 26 it's not possible that Fox could?
Sorry man, I ain't buyin' it.
- Tonybere

I’m saying if Fox doesn’t we’re (frank)ed. And I’m worried he won’t. Just like if zib doesn’t. I’m hopeful they both do

You never killed Tom this bad for being negative

So, in his 30's you believe Zib might regain his form. But, at 26 it's not possible that Fox could?
Sorry man, I ain't buyin' it.
- Tonybere

Thats the biggest thing this season. People need to determine who is having a down year and will bounce back vs players who are declining and are who they are

I'm saying this with love in my heart but you play devil's advocate with every single player top to bottom of the lineup and with the team as a whole. We're picking on a player? You are incredulous about it. We defend a guy or don't criticize him, you choose him to call out. The team is the worst team in the league for 2 months? Not gonna stand for the negativity around here.

Most of us are reasonable people (relatively speaking) and understand no one is 100% good or 100% bad and there's room for discussion. Join the team bro. We all want to win. Fox is a top 10 defenseman in a down year and is absolutely worth his contract. He's having a DOWN year, like i said. But it's not worth much more of a discussion than that.

Love,
Pickle
- picklerick

We said all this about Zib last year lol

He don’t look right🤷🏻‍♂️I don’t know how else to say it without the mob of you coming after me.

We said all this about Zib last year lol

He don’t look right🤷🏻‍♂️I don’t know how else to say it without the mob of you coming after me.
- Slimtj100

Fox is literally in the top 10 defenseman this season and he's having a down year. Zib was not in the top 25 centers. Fox is still doing everything he has done defensively (obviously he is limited physically and defends using hockey IQ)

We said all this about Zib last year lol

He don’t look right🤷🏻‍♂️I don’t know how else to say it without the mob of you coming after me.
- Slimtj100

Well yea he does not look like his norm, but he is not like Zib who fell off a cliff. Different degrees of bad play

Fox is literally in the top 10 defenseman this season and he's having a down year. Zib was not in the top 25 centers. Fox is still doing everything he has done defensively (obviously he is limited physically and defends using hockey IQ)
- picklerick

This version of Fox has me very worried for the rest of his deal and at 26 I see it alot like you guys do with Lindgren. Where his size and speed are not great for long term success. His knee injury suggests so since to me it appears he hasn’t been the same.

A big problem, as I’ve mentioned before, is he plays too much. It’s a recipe for breaking down early on in a players career because he’s tiny by defenseman standerds

This version of Fox has me very worried for the rest of his deal and at 26 I see it alot like you guys do with Lindgren. Where his size and speed are not great for long term success. His knee injury suggests so since to me it appears he hasn’t been the same.
- Slimtj100

Lindgren decline is like cally and G. More of the style on how they play. Multiple injuries.

Fox might just be having a bad season for his standard. Time will tell

Iam dumb, that been long established here. Not as dumb as others

He isn’t worth 9.5 million bucks, just like Trouba wasn’t worth 8 something, Zibs 8 something, Panarins 11 something.

That’s all I’m really saying. We want to trade everyone else but him and it makes no sense to me 🤷🏻‍♂️
- Slimtj100

Zionist conspiracy