My worry is that they repeat history and overpay for a Kevin Hayes type player and try to gaslight us into thinking its a 1C.

Getting a legit 1C in free agency is exceedingly rare. And they will have to over pay if they do have a shot at one. Also, it is most likely that player will be in their late 20's early 30's almost guaranteeing the latter part of their contract will be an albatross. They can attempt to trade for one but there aren't many Jack Eichel level players out there demanding to be traded from their teams.

The best course of action is the draft, or somehow lucking in to trading for a young C prospect who could become a legit 1C. Teams aren't exactly lining up to trade those types away.
- MBFlyerfan

Since the Flyers refuse to position themselves for a top pick, here is what we're left with

1) They get lucky with a later 1st round pick or later and draft a future 1C

2) They acquire a 1C in free agency

3) They trade for a 1C

What are the odds that any of that becomes reality?

My worry is that they repeat history and overpay for a Kevin Hayes type player and try to gaslight us into thinking its a 1C.

Getting a legit 1C in free agency is exceedingly rare. And they will have to over pay if they do have a shot at one. Also, it is most likely that player will be in their late 20's early 30's almost guaranteeing the latter part of their contract will be an albatross. They can attempt to trade for one but there aren't many Jack Eichel level players out there demanding to be traded from their teams.

The best course of action is the draft, or somehow lucking in to trading for a young C prospect who could become a legit 1C. Teams aren't exactly lining up to trade those types away.
- MBFlyerfan

Sam Bennent. Prototypical Flyer. Just wait to see what happens should he hit the free agent market.

They've actually dropped in the overall standings despite the recent wins.

Rags, Habs, Jackets and Sens have all gone on better/longer runs.

Flyers currently picking 11th, down from 13th IIRC.
- Tomahawk

Overall yes but somehow their playoff odds went up to 15% from 10% in the last few days.

I think Tortorella is going to win the Jack Adams. This is finally the year.

Since the Flyers refuse to position themselves for a top pick, here is what we're left with

1) They get lucky with a later 1st round pick or later and draft a future 1C

2) They acquire a 1C in free agency

3) They trade for a 1C

What are the odds that any of that becomes reality?
- MJL

Not good. They could always get lucky like they did with Giroux. But I'm not counting on that.

Sam Bennent. Prototypical Flyer. Just wait to see what happens should he hit the free agent market.
- furio16

Exactly my point. I'm afraid they offer someone like him 8 million. A guy who has never scored 30 goals (and only scored over 20 goals twice) and never recorded 50 points in a season. Who will be 29 in the first year of his likely 7 year deal.


Bennett would be a solid 2C.

Exactly my point. I'm afraid they offer someone like him 8 million. A guy who has never scored 30 goals (and only scored over 20 goals twice) and never recorded 50 points in a season. Who will be 29 in the first year of his likely 7 year deal.


Bennett would be a solid 2C.
- MBFlyerfan

It will take a huge overpay to get these guys like him to sign IMO. 7 year?

Hell no, the Flyers will send a 4th rd pick for his rights to add that 8th year. Then the Flyers pat themselves on the back.

Not good. They could always get lucky like they did with Giroux. But I'm not counting on that.
- MBFlyerfan

Man... miss the days when Homer, Nolet and Pryor were digging out gems in the late-1st...

It will take a huge overpay to get these guys like him to sign IMO. 7 year?

Hell no, the Flyers will send a 4th rd pick for his rights to add that 8th year. Then the Flyers pat themselves on the back.
- furio16

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The Flyers will acquire a 2C and tout them as a 1C. They will also keep talking about how they are emulating Vegas having depth throughout the lineup.

PRoho Jones is already laying the groundwork for these talking points and has been for months.

Torts job just to win next game no matter what.

Briere to bide the time and don't do anything that would rock the boat. Especially the culture in the room.

All are doing their misguided jobs.

They have been rebuilding for a decade and are no closer to being anything but mediocre at best

Exactly my point. I'm afraid they offer someone like him 8 million. A guy who has never scored 30 goals (and only scored over 20 goals twice) and never recorded 50 points in a season. Who will be 29 in the first year of his likely 7 year deal.


Bennett would be a solid 2C.
- MBFlyerfan

like Bennett's game a lot, would hate the long contract, add, he plays a hard game, could be an LTIR signing.

If they were to move Risto and Laughton….and maybe a Frost….they definitely have a chance to drop into screaming distance of the top 5…it’s not only the assets you accumulate it’s the talent your moving out will hurt this team….much like after they moved Walker last year.
- landros 2

this, I think if they move RR and Laughton they will drop far enough to make me happy. We need teams around them to win and get desperate.

I agree with a lot of this. What some fail to realize is that there is a wide spectrum of Tanking and being in a rebuild…. You don’t have to tear it down to the studs necessarily. But if you are in a so called rebuild you simply have to move out older valuable pieces and be AGGRESSIVE IN DOING SO, in order to gain assets designed to help you down the road. If the so called culture is predicated on one guy, like a Scott Laughton, then it ain’t much of a culture to start with.
The apathy this organization has shown for the last decade is getting old.
- landros 2

agreed, but the bus is still at the station, Both RR and Laughton have term left, each could be traded this season or next for a good return. Will DB, magic 8 ball says, maybe.

looking at the bottom of the standings, seem to me no way the Flyers pick any lower than 7-8th

looking at the bottom of the standings, seem to me no way the Flyers pick any lower than 7-8th
- wcorvette

It’s honestly amazing how bad these other teams are, and then pathetic teams like Detroit and Buffalo who have sucked year after year. Islanders and Seattle plus the current bottom 5, can’t see the flyers finishing worse.

Correct. What is the actual plan? They are not rebuilding. They are not making any impulse moves to try to make the playoffs. They are not making any moves to bring in young players to help now and in the future.

What are they doing? Break it down for me what the plan is to actually compete for a cup. Do you have a date on when you think this may happen?

They will not make the playoffs.
- furio16

They are rebuilding. They are building through the draft. The Flyers arent going out adding FAs or trading assets to add mid age players. In a perfect world it would be great to get a someone like McDavid or Mackinnon but at the end of the day that isnt a neccessity. If the Flyers can get another Richards\Carter type duo at C I think you can work with that especially with someone with the talent of Michkov.

The Flyers have acknowledged theres a C issue so it isnt like they are defending the current Cs. Whether or not theres a plan to get a C remains to be seen. Flyers could have a Hartnell\Timonen type move in the works. Holmgren had that move arranged well before it took place, around the deadline and NSH kept those guys for a playoff run. I think something like this is unlikely but its a possibility

At the end of the day this is not our final product. A bunch of these guys are not going to be around in 2-3 years.

https://www.statmuse.com/...g-percentage-last-3-years

Assuming this is correct.

No you're not right. The Flyers play hard, that's what professional atheletes on professional teams do. So does every other team. The Flyers play with a specific structure, and there is no reason why they can't continue to play that way for as long as it takes.
- jd250

They will wear out and break down like last year. This isn't sustainable, just like last year.

Love your enthusiasm, but you come off like a Leaf homer, only in Flyer colors

Wasn't this the draft that was going to alter the franchise? The draft the GM and POHO were looikng forward to for a long time.
- furio16

They don't know as much as JD250...just ask him

They will wear out and break down like last year. This isn't sustainable, just like last year.

Love your enthusiasm, but you come off like a Leaf homer, only in Flyer colors
- TheFreak

If they do break down, thats better for us. With the standings as close as they are, a stretch like the end of the season last year would put us in a good draft position

If they do break down, thats better for us. With the standings as close as they are, a stretch like the end of the season last year would put us in a good draft position
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Does it change the organizational mentality?

They are rebuilding. They are building through the draft. The Flyers arent going out adding FAs or trading assets to add mid age players. In a perfect world it would be great to get a someone like McDavid or Mackinnon but at the end of the day that isnt a neccessity. If the Flyers can get another Richards\Carter type duo at C I think you can work with that especially with someone with the talent of Michkov.

The Flyers have acknowledged theres a C issue so it isnt like they are defending the current Cs. Whether or not theres a plan to get a C remains to be seen. Flyers could have a Hartnell\Timonen type move in the works. Holmgren had that move arranged well before it took place, around the deadline and NSH kept those guys for a playoff run. I think something like this is unlikely but its a possibility

At the end of the day this is not our final product. A bunch of these guys are not going to be around in 2-3 years.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

The Flyers aren't currently going out adding free agents or trading assets for mid age players for one, because they don't have the cap space yet and haven't found a deal they like yet. Both the GM and the POHO have all but said they will be. This is not a rebuild. It is just a pause caused by their won incompetence.
I agree that a bunch of these guys aren't going to be around in 2-3 years do why do they keep trying to fight for the playoffs? Why do they keep trying to compete. Don't want to have a poor culture for players who won't even be here?

They are rebuilding. They are building through the draft. The Flyers arent going out adding FAs or trading assets to add mid age players. In a perfect world it would be great to get a someone like McDavid or Mackinnon but at the end of the day that isnt a neccessity. If the Flyers can get another RichardsCarter type duo at C I think you can work with that especially with someone with the talent of Michkov.

The Flyers have acknowledged theres a C issue so it isnt like they are defending the current Cs. Whether or not theres a plan to get a C remains to be seen. Flyers could have a HartnellTimonen type move in the works. Holmgren had that move arranged well before it took place, around the deadline and NSH kept those guys for a playoff run. I think something like this is unlikely but its a possibility

At the end of the day this is not our final product. A bunch of these guys are not going to be around in 2-3 years.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I do not agree that they are rebuilding. Every team builds through the draft. As I said previously, they are not adding anyone at all. They are straddling the middle of the road approach hoping something goes their way. Terrible way to run a team. Aren’t you a little tired of laying out the IF factor when it comes to this team?

Kudo to them acknowledging there is a Center issue. Are they supposed to get bonus points for pointing out the obvious? They have created that Center mess. They do not have any concrete plan to fix it.

Never heard that in bold before.

The Flyers are not a capped out team, not now and not projected to be next year. However the Flyers also do not have a ton of cap space to sign some big names, but then again they are not in any position to do that yet anyway.

You and I don't know how the Flyers' prospects will work out. Some might move the needle, some might never play an NHL game. That is the nature of drafting players at 17 and 18 years old. It's not a guarantee that simply because some ranking has a teenager as the top 5 prospect that player will realize their potential. It's about the future for sure, but there is no reason the future has to be 8 years from now. Risto can be part of the future. He is a legitimate top 4 NHL defenseman that has size, good legs and a RHS. Those are hard players to find, and the Flyers currently do not have anyone in their system that is ready to step into that role.

A tanking team would just trade any veteran that has value, get what they can and then take their chances in the draft. The Flyers are not tanking. They are not going to trade good players that play well within their system unless what they get back would move the needle further in their rebuild.
- jd250

The bolded is the problem...they need to move on, make space and create competition for jobs on the Flyers between the young guys. It has to be demoralizing to be say how Andrae has to be thinking ..watching Johnston be the 7th dman, earning an NHL salary, whil Andrae is clearly the better player who should be with the big team...

The Flyers are too in love with the players that have failed here for years.

If they do break down, thats better for us. With the standings as close as they are, a stretch like the end of the season last year would put us in a good draft position
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Just hoping to be within the top 10