I agree. They need to atone for their sins. Hold a press conference, admit it was a horrible contract, tell the fanbase that the kid is out of shape and doesn’t take hockey seriously. Share information about his video game obsession and fashion dreams. Toss him on a Flair airlines flight to buffalo and erase his embarrassing contributions from our memory - CanuckDon
And the Oscar for biggest bitc& drama queen goes to..........
Pull your head outta your a$$ you whiny fawking bitc&
You're insufferable - its fascinating to know you actually live in a house, probably own a car and pay bills and not under a bridge somewhere
"I can confirm that Vancouver had talks with other teams as recently as this past week regarding Pettersson, as well. So it remains as it ever was. The Canucks could trade either Miller or Pettersson and perhaps even both when all is said and done between now and next season." - VanHockeyGuy
oh really Lebrun? you fat fawking dumb twat. This fawking gimp knows about as much as Friedman - zero. Where were all the "insiders" on the Rantanen trade??? Exactly, not a fawking clue bcus he's fuller than the fullest full house SH!T.
Constantly making sh!t up to keep his "job"
And the Oscar for biggest bitc& drama queen goes to..........
Pull your head outta your a$$ you whiny fawking bitc&
You're insufferable - its fascinating to know you actually live in a house, probably own a car and pay bills and not under a bridge somewhere - Brooks_Light
I own many homes. Why? Because I don’t let my emotional fanboy impulses impact my decision making process. I have zero attachments to any of the players. They are commodities that need to be shipped out for a better, more cost effective mix.
Aquilini’s rampant fanboyism and meddling will ensure the team will always be terrible
I own many homes. Why? Because I don’t let my emotional fanboy impulses impact my decision making process. I have zero attachments to any of the players. They are commodities that need to be shipped out for a better, more cost effective mix.
Aquilini’s rampant fanboyism and meddling will ensure the team will always be terrible - CanuckDon
Pretty much, if they can somehow hang onto QH great.
I own many homes. Why? Because I don’t let my emotional fanboy impulses impact my decision making process. I have zero attachments to any of the players. They are commodities that need to be shipped out for a better, more cost effective mix.
Aquilini’s rampant fanboyism and meddling will ensure the team will always be terrible - CanuckDon
Your emotional impulses are the main reason all your comments/takes are fawking ridiculous and filled with hate - your overreactions are fairly common here, as are your delusions - don;t think anyone here is gonna dispute that. I'm just calling u on your bullish!t.
" commodities that need to be shipped out for a better, more cost effective mix." - YES SURE - in a perfect world - but at the rate you expect it to happen, the team would have to make 2-3 trades week, Because any stretch of terrible play, from any player, results in you poopt!ng over everything and wanting them run out of town - hence your Oscar nomination.
The reality is that you guessing that EP will never rebound from the slump he's in over the course of the next 7 years is absolutely mental, short sighted. His numbers are usually solid, his point totals are down, but his defensive play continues to trend up. 102 & 89 points the last two years equals 10+ million any GM in the league would have offered a contract in that vicinity. Get over it, he'e going nowhere. I actually hope the extend him till he's in his late 40s just knowing how much it'll burn your a$$ everyday for the next 15 years.
Your emotional impulses are the main reason all your comments/takes are fawking ridiculous and filled with hate - your overreactions are fairly common here, as are your delusions - don;t think anyone here is gonna dispute that. I'm just calling u on your bullish!t.
" commodities that need to be shipped out for a better, more cost effective mix." - YES SURE - in a perfect world - but at the rate you expect it to happen, the team would have to make 2-3 trades week, Because any stretch of terrible play, from any player, results in you poopt!ng over everything and wanting them run out of town - hence your Oscar nomination.
The reality is that you guessing that EP will never rebound from the slump he's in over the course of the next 7 years is absolutely mental, short sighted. His numbers are usually solid, his point totals are down, but his defensive play continues to trend up. 102 & 89 points the last two years equals 10+ million any GM in the league would have offered a contract in that vicinity. Get over it, he'e going nowhere. I actually hope the extend him till he's in his late 40s just knowing how much it'll burn your a$$ everyday for the next 15 years. - Brooks_Light
We disagree on Peterson. Not sure why this is making you so emotional. I don’t hate him personally, I hate him as a hockey player
So you cheer for a team that you fawking hate and are expecting to fail forever? Brilliant!
You're the dumbest human being I've ever experienced - it's a pleasure to converse with you. - Brooks_Light
I enjoy watching them play, even when they lose. What can I say? I guess I just like hockey. All I care about is effort and not backing down from every physical confrontation.
TLDR: Tocchet's coaching is hurting Elias Pettersson, and (Most Of) the rest of the teams ability to produce.
I was watching highlights, when I was reminded about Pettersson's former linemate, Nikolay Goldobin, and it got me thinking about Pettersson and what teammates he's best played with over the years.
Turns out, some of his best linemates are Creative Playmakers who aren't afraid to hold the puck:
JT Miller xGF% with Petey (19-21'): 56.02%
Without Petey: 47.68%
Petey without Miller: 40.02%
VAN W/O Both: 46.70% (9.32% worse than with both)
Goldobin xGF% with Petey (2018-19): 50.12%
Without Petey: 45.25%
Petey without Goldobin: 41.48%
VAN W/O Both: 45.98% (4.14% worse than with both)
Kuzmenko xGF with Petey (22-24'): 56.38%
Without Petey: 47.26%
Petey without Kuzmenko: 46.16%
VAN W/O Both: 49.63% (6.75% worse than with both)
The rest of the thread will be about Pettersson and the Canucks from October 1 2022 until the 2024 ASG (Feb 1 2024) and after. I will be using the words "before decline" and "after decline" to describe these points in time.
Looking at Pettersson's stats expected stats and high danger chances, nothing would seem too off.
BEFORE DECLINE (129 games):
(Stats at 5v5)
- xGF%: 52.08%. 4th Among Canucks, 2nd For Forwards behind Garland (Among players with 1000 minutes TOA)
- HDCF%: 51.09%. 2nd, behind Garland
- 352 High Danger Chances (2.73 per game)
- 107 Individual High Danger Chances (0.83 per game)
- OFF Zone Faceoff %: 53.42%
- Rush Chances/60: 0.35
AFTER DECLINE (74 games):
- xGF%: 53.86%. 6th Among Canucks, 4th Among Forwards behind Hoglander, Garland, and Miller (500 minute TOA minimum)
- HDCF%: 55.92%. a 4.83% increase, 3rd behind Hoglander and Garland.
- 203 High Danger Chances (2.74 per game)
- 57 Individual High Danger Chances (.77 per game)
- OFF Zone Faceoff %: 48.01%
- Rush Chances/60: 0.18
Considering most other statistics show Pettersson is actually doing better rate wise in almost everywhere besides Rush Attempts, I decided to look at some other players on the Canucks BEFORE AND AFTER THE DECLINE at 5v5 per 60:
- Studnicka: 0.82/60
- Lafferty: 0.77 before, 0.37 after
- PDG: 0.72 before, 0.51 after
- Hoglander: 0.53 before, 0.21 after
- Mikheyev: 0.51 before, 0 after (Seriously, in his final 390 minutes as a Canuck he had 0 rush attempts 5v5)
- Garland: 0.48 before, 0.67 after
- Miller: 0.37 before, 0.4 after.
- Hughes: 0.22 before, 0.20 after.
- Hronek: 0.12 before, 0.06 after.
Also hilariously, before decline, our most active defenseman for Rush Attempts/60 (500 min TOI minimum) was OEL at 0.33
After decline, our D man with the most Rush Attempts/60 has been NOAH JUULSEN AT 0.5 per game. He attempts Rushes 150% more than Quinn Hughes. This is not a joke, a meme, or a typo. This is 100% real.
So, in conclusion, the Canucks best players have actually played decently well overall since the all star break. Here's the issue however
The Canucks (and Rick Tocchet) Rush Offense is getting worse, and has completely neutered their Franchise Center's most elite tool as a result
Our amount of rush chances for per game is down even more than it was last year (32nd both seasons btw), and our shooting percentage on Rush Chances fell from #1 in the league to league average.
The NHL is a rush offense league. Team's attack with speed and skill, which is easier to do on the rush.
In fact, Pettersson's best tool off the rush is taking advantage of defenders who are in a panic trying to get back into proper coverage (youtube.com/watch?v=YPY0gF…). It's much harder to do this on the cycle once teams set up their defensive structure.
Pettersson's strength's on the cycle is finding the soft spots in the slot (youtube.com/watch?v=hdGARy… and youtube.com/watch?v=4TVr_O…).
The Canucks are one of the worst teams in the league at finding chances in the slot, and are even worse at east-west cross seam passes.
Tocchet's system for YEARS (whether or not he cares to admit it to everyone else) has been the opposite of that, and leans into aspects of the game that he himself was good at (up and down the wing, power to the net, pucks on, rebounds, hitting).
In conclusion, if you are a superstar, chances are your production is going to decrease a decent amount in Rick Tocchet's system unless:
1. You go on a shooting bender (JT Miller last year with his 19.4%, Joshua with his 21.4% and Lafferty with his 16.7% shooting percentages)
2. You have a fantastic ability to get shots through traffic (Quinn Hughes)
3. You game is based on Power, like Tocchet's was. (JT Miller and Dakota Joshua as well)
If you're a grinder, or someone who is reliant on speed, effort, and little details, chances are you are going to have a marginal uptick in production (Garland, Sherwood, Joshua types.)
The problem that this presents is that in todays NHL, you win and lose based on your superstars ability to produce.
Depth that produces is okay, but you won't have too many winning streaks if your team relies on having bottom 6 players putting up career seasons.
In conclusion: Rick Tocchet's coaching is directly countering Elias Pettersson's (and most of the rest of the Canucks, to a lesser degree) best skills, in favour of boosting the production of bottom 6 players.
Sorry for the essay, but I'll never stop pushing #TheAgenda. #Canucks
TLDR: Tocchet's coaching is hurting Elias Pettersson, and (Most Of) the rest of the teams ability to produce.
I was watching highlights, when I was reminded about Pettersson's former linemate, Nikolay Goldobin, and it got me thinking about Pettersson and what teammates he's best played with over the years.
Turns out, some of his best linemates are Creative Playmakers who aren't afraid to hold the puck:
JT Miller xGF% with Petey (19-21'): 56.02%
Without Petey: 47.68%
Petey without Miller: 40.02%
VAN W/O Both: 46.70% (9.32% worse than with both)
Goldobin xGF% with Petey (2018-19): 50.12%
Without Petey: 45.25%
Petey without Goldobin: 41.48%
VAN W/O Both: 45.98% (4.14% worse than with both)
Kuzmenko xGF with Petey (22-24'): 56.38%
Without Petey: 47.26%
Petey without Kuzmenko: 46.16%
VAN W/O Both: 49.63% (6.75% worse than with both)
The rest of the thread will be about Pettersson and the Canucks from October 1 2022 until the 2024 ASG (Feb 1 2024) and after. I will be using the words "before decline" and "after decline" to describe these points in time.
Looking at Pettersson's stats expected stats and high danger chances, nothing would seem too off.
BEFORE DECLINE (129 games):
(Stats at 5v5)
- xGF%: 52.08%. 4th Among Canucks, 2nd For Forwards behind Garland (Among players with 1000 minutes TOA)
- HDCF%: 51.09%. 2nd, behind Garland
- 352 High Danger Chances (2.73 per game)
- 107 Individual High Danger Chances (0.83 per game)
- OFF Zone Faceoff %: 53.42%
- Rush Chances/60: 0.35
AFTER DECLINE (74 games):
- xGF%: 53.86%. 6th Among Canucks, 4th Among Forwards behind Hoglander, Garland, and Miller (500 minute TOA minimum)
- HDCF%: 55.92%. a 4.83% increase, 3rd behind Hoglander and Garland.
- 203 High Danger Chances (2.74 per game)
- 57 Individual High Danger Chances (.77 per game)
- OFF Zone Faceoff %: 48.01%
- Rush Chances/60: 0.18
Considering most other statistics show Pettersson is actually doing better rate wise in almost everywhere besides Rush Attempts, I decided to look at some other players on the Canucks BEFORE AND AFTER THE DECLINE at 5v5 per 60:
- Studnicka: 0.82/60
- Lafferty: 0.77 before, 0.37 after
- PDG: 0.72 before, 0.51 after
- Hoglander: 0.53 before, 0.21 after
- Mikheyev: 0.51 before, 0 after (Seriously, in his final 390 minutes as a Canuck he had 0 rush attempts 5v5)
- Garland: 0.48 before, 0.67 after
- Miller: 0.37 before, 0.4 after.
- Hughes: 0.22 before, 0.20 after.
- Hronek: 0.12 before, 0.06 after.
Also hilariously, before decline, our most active defenseman for Rush Attempts/60 (500 min TOI minimum) was OEL at 0.33
After decline, our D man with the most Rush Attempts/60 has been NOAH JUULSEN AT 0.5 per game. He attempts Rushes 150% more than Quinn Hughes. This is not a joke, a meme, or a typo. This is 100% real.
So, in conclusion, the Canucks best players have actually played decently well overall since the all star break. Here's the issue however
The Canucks (and Rick Tocchet) Rush Offense is getting worse, and has completely neutered their Franchise Center's most elite tool as a result
Our amount of rush chances for per game is down even more than it was last year (32nd both seasons btw), and our shooting percentage on Rush Chances fell from #1 in the league to league average.
The NHL is a rush offense league. Team's attack with speed and skill, which is easier to do on the rush.
In fact, Pettersson's best tool off the rush is taking advantage of defenders who are in a panic trying to get back into proper coverage (youtube.com/watch?v=YPY0gF…). It's much harder to do this on the cycle once teams set up their defensive structure.
Pettersson's strength's on the cycle is finding the soft spots in the slot (youtube.com/watch?v=hdGARy… and youtube.com/watch?v=4TVr_O…).
The Canucks are one of the worst teams in the league at finding chances in the slot, and are even worse at east-west cross seam passes.
Tocchet's system for YEARS (whether or not he cares to admit it to everyone else) has been the opposite of that, and leans into aspects of the game that he himself was good at (up and down the wing, power to the net, pucks on, rebounds, hitting).
In conclusion, if you are a superstar, chances are your production is going to decrease a decent amount in Rick Tocchet's system unless:
1. You go on a shooting bender (JT Miller last year with his 19.4%, Joshua with his 21.4% and Lafferty with his 16.7% shooting percentages)
2. You have a fantastic ability to get shots through traffic (Quinn Hughes)
3. You game is based on Power, like Tocchet's was. (JT Miller and Dakota Joshua as well)
If you're a grinder, or someone who is reliant on speed, effort, and little details, chances are you are going to have a marginal uptick in production (Garland, Sherwood, Joshua types.)
The problem that this presents is that in todays NHL, you win and lose based on your superstars ability to produce.
Depth that produces is okay, but you won't have too many winning streaks if your team relies on having bottom 6 players putting up career seasons.
In conclusion: Rick Tocchet's coaching is directly countering Elias Pettersson's (and most of the rest of the Canucks, to a lesser degree) best skills, in favour of boosting the production of bottom 6 players.
Sorry for the essay, but I'll never stop pushing #TheAgenda. #Canucks - Pacificgem
You could have saved us all a lot of time and summarized this trash as follows:
I was just trying to explain something to an idiot, never an easy task. The salary cap is expected to be 105 million in two years with current growth, Petey's contract is not an issue. Getting him the right work environment is, however.
"Per Allan Walsh, “the upper limit of the salary cap for the 2025-2026 season could be as high as $97 million.” With a projection of $105 million by the 2027-2028 season." - Pacificgem
Right environment? Wtf are you going on about. He’s not what a team is built around. Build around Hughes with talent that shows up every night not $6m value. You’re the idiot.
No. I just haven't heard anyone use "My Man" since Jefferson's reruns were in vogue.
Petey needs to nut up. Eating up as much salary cap that he did with his contract has a direct effect on the quality of players they can surround him with. They should expect more because he gets paid more. It's that simple. - Load Management
