Tavares is done at the end of the year. Trade em Petey or Miller. Miller for Reilly isn't what we want but it fits. Petey for good stuff

Nice debut for Necas in Colorado, a big -3. I think Colorado is going to regret that trade, it's nice they recouped some assets but nothing close to what Rantanen provided.

Do Hughes next. Then tell me why he's performing well under the same conditions on a lesser contract and Petey needs a perfect environment to earn his money. It doesn't add up. Bottom line is the kid needs to do what he's paid to do. Like right fucking now.
- Load Management

You don’t need to coddle a true star nor build a nice quiet library around him. Nobody ever stood up & made excuses for QH.

Tavares is done at the end of the year. Trade em Petey or Miller. Miller for Reilly isn't what we want but it fits. Petey for good stuff
- Jkuzzi

Rielly sucks donkey balls.

I'm not pushing a narrative. I'm pushing accountability. Huge difference that you can't seem to see from behind Petey's ballsack.
- Load Management

😂😂

I would argue, vehemently, that Nighthawk is the dumbest online personality I've ever come across in my life...just sayin.
- Pacificgem

Lordmicropenis. And it isn’t close.

Nice debut for Necas in Colorado, a big -3. I think Colorado is going to regret that trade, it's nice they recouped some assets but nothing close to what Rantanen provided.
- claygolf83

Good, then we dodged a bullet there.

He’s athletic, big shoulders, handsome, 6’3” …. kinda reminds me of me.
- Pacificgem

Except he's a 3rd rounder that is actually gonna get some NHL games.

PETTERSSON/TOCCHET/#Canucks  MEGA POST:

TLDR: Tocchet's coaching is hurting Elias Pettersson, and (Most Of) the rest of the teams ability to produce.

I was watching highlights, when I was reminded about Pettersson's former linemate, Nikolay Goldobin, and it got me thinking about Pettersson and what teammates he's best played with over the years.

Turns out, some of his best linemates are Creative Playmakers who aren't afraid to hold the puck:

JT Miller xGF% with Petey (19-21'): 56.02%
Without Petey: 47.68%
Petey without Miller: 40.02%
VAN W/O Both: 46.70% (9.32% worse than with both)

Goldobin xGF% with Petey (2018-19): 50.12%
Without Petey: 45.25%
Petey without Goldobin: 41.48%
VAN W/O Both: 45.98% (4.14% worse than with both)

Kuzmenko xGF with Petey (22-24'): 56.38%
Without Petey: 47.26%
Petey without Kuzmenko: 46.16%
VAN W/O Both: 49.63% (6.75% worse than with both)

The rest of the thread will be about Pettersson and the Canucks from October 1 2022 until the 2024 ASG (Feb 1 2024) and after. I will be using the words "before decline" and "after decline" to describe these points in time.

Looking at Pettersson's stats expected stats and high danger chances, nothing would seem too off.

BEFORE DECLINE (129 games):
(Stats at 5v5)
- xGF%: 52.08%. 4th Among Canucks, 2nd For Forwards behind Garland (Among players with 1000 minutes TOA)
- HDCF%: 51.09%. 2nd, behind Garland
- 352 High Danger Chances (2.73 per game)
- 107 Individual High Danger Chances (0.83 per game)
- OFF Zone Faceoff %: 53.42%
- Rush Chances/60: 0.35

AFTER DECLINE (74 games):
- xGF%: 53.86%. 6th Among Canucks, 4th Among Forwards behind Hoglander, Garland, and Miller (500 minute TOA minimum)
- HDCF%: 55.92%. a 4.83% increase, 3rd behind Hoglander and Garland.
- 203 High Danger Chances (2.74 per game)
- 57 Individual High Danger Chances (.77 per game)
- OFF Zone Faceoff %: 48.01%
- Rush Chances/60: 0.18

Considering most other statistics show Pettersson is actually doing better rate wise in almost everywhere besides Rush Attempts, I decided to look at some other players on the Canucks BEFORE AND AFTER THE DECLINE at 5v5 per 60:

- Studnicka: 0.82/60
- Lafferty: 0.77 before, 0.37 after
- PDG: 0.72 before, 0.51 after
- Hoglander: 0.53 before, 0.21 after
- Mikheyev: 0.51 before, 0 after (Seriously, in his final 390 minutes as a Canuck he had 0 rush attempts 5v5)
- Garland: 0.48 before, 0.67 after
- Miller: 0.37 before, 0.4 after.
- Hughes: 0.22 before, 0.20 after.
- Hronek: 0.12 before, 0.06 after.

Also hilariously, before decline, our most active defenseman for Rush Attempts/60 (500 min TOI minimum) was OEL at 0.33

After decline, our D man with the most Rush Attempts/60 has been NOAH JUULSEN AT 0.5 per game. He attempts Rushes 150% more than Quinn Hughes. This is not a joke, a meme, or a typo. This is 100% real.

So, in conclusion, the Canucks best players have actually played decently well overall since the all star break. Here's the issue however

The Canucks (and Rick Tocchet) Rush Offense is getting worse, and has completely neutered their Franchise Center's most elite tool as a result

Our amount of rush chances for per game is down even more than it was last year (32nd both seasons btw), and our shooting percentage on Rush Chances fell from #1 in the league to league average.

The NHL is a rush offense league. Team's attack with speed and skill, which is easier to do on the rush.
In fact, Pettersson's best tool off the rush is taking advantage of defenders who are in a panic trying to get back into proper coverage (youtube.com/watch?v=YPY0gF…). It's much harder to do this on the cycle once teams set up their defensive structure.

Pettersson's strength's on the cycle is finding the soft spots in the slot (youtube.com/watch?v=hdGARy… and youtube.com/watch?v=4TVr_O…).
The Canucks are one of the worst teams in the league at finding chances in the slot, and are even worse at east-west cross seam passes.
Tocchet's system for YEARS (whether or not he cares to admit it to everyone else) has been the opposite of that, and leans into aspects of the game that he himself was good at (up and down the wing, power to the net, pucks on, rebounds, hitting).

In conclusion, if you are a superstar, chances are your production is going to decrease a decent amount in Rick Tocchet's system unless:

1. You go on a shooting bender (JT Miller last year with his 19.4%, Joshua with his 21.4% and Lafferty with his 16.7% shooting percentages)
2. You have a fantastic ability to get shots through traffic (Quinn Hughes)
3. You game is based on Power, like Tocchet's was. (JT Miller and Dakota Joshua as well)

If you're a grinder, or someone who is reliant on speed, effort, and little details, chances are you are going to have a marginal uptick in production (Garland, Sherwood, Joshua types.)

The problem that this presents is that in todays NHL, you win and lose based on your superstars ability to produce.
Depth that produces is okay, but you won't have too many winning streaks if your team relies on having bottom 6 players putting up career seasons.

In conclusion: Rick Tocchet's coaching is directly countering Elias Pettersson's (and most of the rest of the Canucks, to a lesser degree) best skills, in favour of boosting the production of bottom 6 players.

Sorry for the essay, but I'll never stop pushing #TheAgenda. #Canucks 
- Pacificgem

Facepalm

Try watching games & the eye test would tell you what this TLDR did not. Not a play driver with revolving door wingers looking to prop him up. Doesn’t create his own space. Doesn’t shoot.

Nice debut for Necas in Colorado, a big -3. I think Colorado is going to regret that trade, it's nice they recouped some assets but nothing close to what Rantanen provided.
- claygolf83

Necas is on my pool team lol

Canes won this handily but the Av’s had no plans to meet his ask. Canes filled their big PO need but in goal is the weak link.

Picked EP 20th overall thought he was a bargain wtf do I know lol

I wonder is we could turn Miller into Mittlestadt and Byram. Colorado gets their upgrade behind Mack and Buffalo has been reported to be willing to trade Byram. We get weaker at 2c, but upgrade our top4, and hope the get lottery luck.

You could have saved us all a lot of time and summarized this trash as follows:

Excuses
- CanuckDon

Nice debut for Necas in Colorado, a big -3. I think Colorado is going to regret that trade, it's nice they recouped some assets but nothing close to what Rantanen provided.
- claygolf83

it's one game lol

Except he's a 3rd rounder that is actually gonna get some NHL games.
- Load Management

I went further than most.

Necas WAR is awful, good offensive player but 4% defensively, so bad. I guess that’s why they’ve been trying to offload him for better players.


“Martin Necas in his Avs debut:

— 0 points
— -3
— lost the game 3-1

Colorado's 0-1-0 in the Necas era.”

You could have saved us all a lot of time and summarized this trash as follows:

Excuses
- CanuckDon

I know numbers scare a lot of people, I just thought it was an interesting read. I’ve been reading a lot about Tocchet’s systems and this kinda falls into that.

Nighthawk yesterday morning in last thread...

I’ll lay off on Petey for a while & just keep watching him closely. A lil breathing space til big change happens. Lets see who keeps on making excuses for him after that.

You taking notes Booner of this time & date?

My reply...

You said all this before more than once and it didnt last one thread.

Didnt even last one thread and more than a day this time as well...

Just wait until he's drunk later...

I know numbers scare a lot of people, I just thought it was an interesting read. I’ve been reading a lot about Tocchet’s systems and this kinda falls into that.
- Pacificgem

Slurp, slurp, slurp, slurp.

Remember when Luke Schenn fought Jamie Benn because he got a little aggressive with Hughes in the corner? Remember when Zadorov dummied Evander Kane for hitting Quinn Hughes…good times.

I wonder is we could turn Miller into Mittlestadt and Byram. Colorado gets their upgrade behind Mack and Buffalo has been reported to be willing to trade Byram. We get weaker at 2c, but upgrade our top4, and hope the get lottery luck.
- Retinalz

We get weaker at 1C with a 3C more like it. I would take Byram+ for Miller given his depressed value.

Slurp, slurp, slurp, slurp.
- Reubenkincade

I’m having a Michelob Ultra right now, near beer, so good. Watching the Oilers vs Sabres game, not bad.

Not sure how Pastrnak can remain on fire with all the turmoil going on in the Bruins dressing room

Not sure how Pastrnak can remain on fire with all the turmoil going on in the Bruins dressing room
- Reubenkincade

Isn’t he Swedish? Long live the Swedes.

Necas WAR is awful, good offensive player but 4% defensively, so bad. I guess that’s why they’ve been trying to offload him for better players.


“Martin Necas in his Avs debut:

— 0 points
— -3
— lost the game 3-1

Colorado's 0-1-0 in the Necas era.”
- Pacificgem

Hot & cold winger not really a C but in a different system he could improve. Av’s got depth & picks for a stud who was going to walk not getting his ask & was worth that coin. Drury has upside but between him & Mittelstadt neither is really a 2C.