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LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Jan 27 @ 10:32 AM ET
No worries. AAA says Canucks just have to start winning and this will create a winning culture, that will spread rapidly in the Canucks dressing room. This is genius level commenting!
- K-man25

NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Jan 27 @ 10:47 AM ET
Big game tonight.
- Reubenkincade

The last time the Canucks won 2 games in a row was November 29th - December 1st
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Jan 27 @ 10:52 AM ET
The last time the Canucks won 2 games in a row was November 29th - December 1st
- NorthNuck


At least they are being consistent
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Jan 27 @ 10:52 AM ET
At least they are being consistent
- Reubenkincade

bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: A dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Jan 27 @ 10:57 AM ET
Miller traded yet?
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson USA
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jan 27 @ 10:59 AM ET
Eyes are starting to turn to Tocchet as being the problem here....hmmm.


#Canucks ' C Elias Pettersson's 2022-23 Season:

39 Goals (28 Even Strength, 6 PP, 5 SHG)

16 Goals Off The Rush
- 4 Off A Turnover
- 5 SHG, 3 OT Goals
- 7 Goals Had East-West Movement Immediately Before the Goal (43.75%)

23 Goals Off The Cycle
- 4 Off A Turnover
- 6 PPG, 1 4v4 Goal, 1 6v5 Goal
- 12 Goals Had East-West Movement Immediately Before the Goal (52.17%)

63 Assists (40 Even Strength, 19 PP, 4 SH)

30 Off The Rush (47.6%)
- 6 Off A Turnover
- 19 Assists Off the Rush at 5v5 (63.3%)
- 26 Assists Had East West Movement Immediately Before the Goal (86.6%!)

33 Off The Cycle (52.4%)
- 9 Off A Turnover
- 15 Assists Off the Cycle at 5v5 (45.45%)
- 23 Assists Had East-West Movement Immediately Before the Goal (69.69%!)

Elias Pettersson's most efficient method of producing at 5v5?
Rush Offense, and East-West Puck Movement.

Turns out when you create a system that fails to utilizes your franchise centerman's best offensive tools, their production declines. Who would have thought?
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Jan 27 @ 10:59 AM ET
Miller traded yet?
- bloatedmosquito


God I hope so. This whole trade drama is such a tease
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson USA
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jan 27 @ 11:07 AM ET
God I hope so. This whole trade drama is such a tease
- NewYorkNuck

They're getting crap offers or it'd be done already. Nobody wants that clown. Drama and failure, it's just the Canuck way.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jan 27 @ 11:10 AM ET
They're getting crap offers or it'd be done already. Nobody wants that clown. Drama and failure, it's just the Canuck way.
- Pacificgem

Benning.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Jan 27 @ 11:12 AM ET
They're getting crap offers or it'd be done already. Nobody wants that clown. Drama and failure, it's just the Canuck way.
- Pacificgem


They're getting crap offers for sure, just hope they aren't overplaying their hand. Also would be great if Miller gets fed up enough to accept a trade to almost any other team.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Jan 27 @ 11:13 AM ET
Eyes are starting to turn to Tocchet as being the problem here....hmmm.


Turns out when you create a system that fails to utilizes your franchise centerman's best offensive tools, their production declines. Who would have thought?

- Pacificgem


Ya not sure if Tocchet and Petey are the best match... but there are so many other circumstances ongoing at the moment it's hard to say for sure
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson USA
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jan 27 @ 11:19 AM ET
Benning.
- Marwood

Jim Benning, the precipitous of abject failure!
Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson USA
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jan 27 @ 11:23 AM ET
Ya not sure if Tocchet and Petey are the best match... but there are so many other circumstances ongoing at the moment it's hard to say for sure
- NewYorkNuck

For sure, but people are starting to dig into what's causing Petey's lack of offence and they're starting to point fingers at Tocchet's systems.

It's the Tortorella affect, Henrik went from being an 80 center to a 50 point center under Torts, then back to a 75 point center the year he left.
NorthNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Yellowknife, NWT
Joined: 05.30.2016

Jan 27 @ 11:29 AM ET
Eyes are starting to turn to Tocchet as being the problem here....hmmm.


#Canucks ' C Elias Pettersson's 2022-23 Season:

39 Goals (28 Even Strength, 6 PP, 5 SHG)

16 Goals Off The Rush
- 4 Off A Turnover
- 5 SHG, 3 OT Goals
- 7 Goals Had East-West Movement Immediately Before the Goal (43.75%)

23 Goals Off The Cycle
- 4 Off A Turnover
- 6 PPG, 1 4v4 Goal, 1 6v5 Goal
- 12 Goals Had East-West Movement Immediately Before the Goal (52.17%)

63 Assists (40 Even Strength, 19 PP, 4 SH)

30 Off The Rush (47.6%)
- 6 Off A Turnover
- 19 Assists Off the Rush at 5v5 (63.3%)
- 26 Assists Had East West Movement Immediately Before the Goal (86.6%!)

33 Off The Cycle (52.4%)
- 9 Off A Turnover
- 15 Assists Off the Cycle at 5v5 (45.45%)
- 23 Assists Had East-West Movement Immediately Before the Goal (69.69%!)

Elias Pettersson's most efficient method of producing at 5v5?
Rush Offense, and East-West Puck Movement.

Turns out when you create a system that fails to utilizes your franchise centerman's best offensive tools, their production declines. Who would have thought?

- Pacificgem

Anyone with a brain

There was a guy on Twitter who did a full breakdown of all of EPs stats and linemates before and after the All Star break last year, and everything in his declining point totals indicates it's the coaching and style of play the team is employing
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Jan 27 @ 11:32 AM ET
For sure, but people are starting to dig into what's causing Petey's lack of offence and they're starting to point fingers at Tocchet's systems.

It's the Tortorella affect, Henrik went from being an 80 center to a 50 point center under Torts, then back to a 75 point center the year he left.

- Pacificgem


There's some blame there for sure, but also some snippets from a Reddit thread:

- Petey is taking the least shots per game in his entire career, and at the lowest rate since his rookie season. His shooting percentage is also at a career low of 14.5%. His previous low was 15.2% in 2022-2023, but he scored 39 goals and was shooting 75% more per game - 3.21 shots/game compared to 1.86 shots/game this year. Even compared to last year, he's shooting 25% less, and is ranked 233rd in the league for shots.

- Petey's top Skating Speed has dropped over 44% relative to the rest of the league.
(NHL EDGE Data).

- Petey is now one of the slowest skaters in the NHL. (NHL EDGE Data).

- Rick Tocchet often plays Petey with the 2nd and 3rd D-pairs and Miller with Hughes.

- Pettersson has the highest % of Shifts that Start in the Defensive Zone on the team at 5v5 (apparently including defensemen)


Not just Tocc. Petey's clearly not the same at the moment – be that from his ijury, locker room poop, or mental game.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Jan 27 @ 11:33 AM ET
Miller traded yet?
- bloatedmosquito




Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Jan 27 @ 11:40 AM ET



- NewYorkNuck

bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: A dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Jan 27 @ 11:58 AM ET



- NewYorkNuck


Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson USA
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jan 27 @ 11:59 AM ET



- NewYorkNuck

Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pettersson USA
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jan 27 @ 12:13 PM ET
Demko trade rumors floating around out there this morning.
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Jan 27 @ 12:19 PM ET
Demko trade rumors floating around out there this morning.
- Pacificgem

Would be nice if it was some kind of package to Buffalo for Byram
maybe something around Demko + for Byram + Luukkonen? Sign Lankinen for a 2 year 3-4m and run them as your tandem.
Load Management
Season Ticket Holder
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Billings Spit, BC
Joined: 09.22.2019

Jan 27 @ 12:23 PM ET
Demko trade rumors floating around out there this morning.
- Pacificgem


Miller probably started them.
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Jan 27 @ 12:29 PM ET
Miller traded yet?
- bloatedmosquito

Not happening
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Jan 27 @ 12:43 PM ET
Would be nice if it was some kind of package to Buffalo for Byram
maybe something around Demko + for Byram + Luukkonen? Sign Lankinen for a 2 year 3-4m and run them as your tandem.

- Retinalz


I think Demko rebounds next season. Would prefer to keep him around, but if he's the key to fix the defense... Byram for him would be a good get.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

Jan 27 @ 12:57 PM ET
Pettersson traded yet?
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