You apparently have not witnessed much Flyers hockey.
- jd250

What era has been worse? This will be 5 years of no playoffs. No end in sight.

I think the Flyers are looking at the future. Clearing up Cap space currently isn't a priority with Dead money on the books. Maybe in next year this move makes sense. But until then, we are waiting for Money to come off the books, Draft picks to turn into NHL'ers and that's two to three seasons away. This is trying to solve a problem before it's needed. If there was another center that was availible now and they needed the space, sure. But I'd rather have Farabee right now.

Why does it piss you off? Because the Flyers after only 19 months with the new leadership in place, and after over a decade of front office imcompetence, are not yet the top team in the league? Their goal is to build a great team, why not give them the chance to do so?
- jd250

1. Besides Michkov there is no "surprising young talent".
2. What "something special" are they building? Its a bad team with middling talent. With a prospect pool full of middling talent. None of whom will be any more than bit players if they ever hope to have long term success.
3. The players he names are not a part of any future where this team is a cup contender except for Michkov.
4. He says they "continue to rebuild" when the FACT is they haven't even started a rebuild. Talking about guys like Laughton and Ristolainen as if they will even be in the league by the time this team is a contender.
5. Building a winning culture, doesn't that require actually winning? Proud of the strides they have made? What strides?


I don't see a promising product. I see a perpetual bubble team blowing smoke up our asses pretending that ONE draft will solve all their problems. A draft, that if they make all their picks, will hopefully produce one above average player who plays for us in 3-5 years.

I've had enough of being on the bubble. Nothing they are doing will change that in any meaningful way.

They aren't talented enough to win anything now, and they don't have the talent to win anything in the future. Nothing they are doing will produce a sustainable contender over multiple years.

That loss was just what was needed, remove all doubt that they need to sell. I want zero reason that DB would give this team a shot because they’re close and the return would not be enough. That is the one thing that could be different from last season, that team was a surprise and had some cohesion. This team is just a bunch of parts, look no further than the PP (though Rocky seems clueless). Find the teams who think they have underachieved this season, who look like they can get in, get their first and hope they collapse down the stretch.
- wcorvette

I want them to accumulate points. Put the pressure on Danny to see what path he chooses.

as a long time but now ex-sth, i'll tell you why. they haven't been good for a long time. they just raised sth prices a couple seasons ago and now they're raising them again on an already very expensive and mediocre at best product. what have they done to deserve a price increase?
the other issue is you cant unload your seats for anywhere near face value for the games you cant go to. if your seats and parking pass (don't get me started on that it's another scam). You're buying high and then selling low. It's a fool's game.
if i was still a sth, and i am ecstatic i am not, i would be livid to get stuck with another price increase.
- Briere

One word for you

Gr!tTy!!!!

What era has been worse? This will be 5 years of no playoffs. No end in sight.
- furio16

He and the Flyers don't understand and will never understand that in the Flyers case, being lower in the standings would be better. His argument will foolishly be that there have been worse teams.

Agree, i d9nt understand how he is not fired yet.

It's my only problem with danny
- SlNlSTER

Very easy to understand. Danny doesn't have the authority to fire him.

1. Besides Michkov there is no "surprising young talent".
2. What "something special" are they building? Its a bad team with middling talent. With a prospect pool full of middling talent. None of whom will be any more than bit players if they ever hope to have long term success.
3. The players he names are not a part of any future where this team is a cup contender except for Michkov.
4. He says they "continue to rebuild" when the FACT is they haven't even started a rebuild. Talking about guys like Laughton and Ristolainen as if they will even be in the league by the time this team is a contender.
5. Building a winning culture, doesn't that require actually winning? Proud of the strides they have made? What strides?


I don't see a promising product. I see a perpetual bubble team blowing smoke up our asses pretending that ONE draft will solve all their problems. A draft, that if they make all their picks, will hopefully produce one above average player who plays for us in 3-5 years.

I've had enough of being on the bubble. Nothing they are doing will change that in any meaningful way.

They aren't talented enough to win anything now, and they don't have the talent to win anything in the future. Nothing they are doing will produce a sustainable contender over multiple years.
- MBFlyerfan

Great post

as a long time but now ex-sth, i'll tell you why. they haven't been good for a long time. they just raised sth prices a couple seasons ago and now they're raising them again on an already very expensive and mediocre at best product. what have they done to deserve a price increase?
the other issue is you cant unload your seats for anywhere near face value for the games you cant go to. if your seats and parking pass (don't get me started on that it's another scam). You're buying high and then selling low. It's a fool's game.
if i was still a sth, and i am ecstatic i am not, i would be livid to get stuck with another price increase.
- Briere

You think the Flyers are the only NHL franchise raising season ticket prices? For that matter, are the Flyers the only sports franchise raising STPs? It happens all the time. And not just with sports. Have you bought eggs lately? Prices never go down, even in the golden age we are about to embark into. The best we can hope for is they don't increase that much. But to me its silly to complain about prices. If you can't afford NHL games, don't go. I don't go to many NHL games any more; I go to mostly college games now which most of the time are more exciting anyway, and much more affordable. It's even worse in other major sports like baseball or football. This really has nothing to do with the Flyers. They are running a business and they know if the team is good people will pay.

You think the Flyers are the only NHL franchise raising season ticket prices? For that matter, are the Flyers the only sports franchise raising STPs? It happens all the time. And not just with sports. Have you bought eggs lately? Prices never go down, even in the golden age we are about to embark into. The best we can hope for is they don't increase that much. But to me its silly to complain about prices. If you can't afford NHL games, don't go. I don't go to many NHL games any more; I go to mostly college games now which most of the time are more exciting anyway, and much more affordable. It's even worse in other major sports like baseball or football. This really has nothing to do with the Flyers. They are running a business and they know if the team is good people will pay.
- jd250

The team isn't good. Why are people paying?

You're missing the point. It's not so much raising prices. It's the BS comments

You think the Flyers are the only NHL franchise raising season ticket prices? For that matter, are the Flyers the only sports franchise raising STPs? It happens all the time. And not just with sports. Have you bought eggs lately? Prices never go down, even in the golden age we are about to embark into. The best we can hope for is they don't increase that much. But to me its silly to complain about prices. If you can't afford NHL games, don't go. I don't go to many NHL games any more; I go to mostly college games now which most of the time are more exciting anyway, and much more affordable. It's even worse in other major sports like baseball or football. This really has nothing to do with the Flyers. They are running a business and they know if the team is good people will pay.
- jd250

This team is not good though -- we saw it last night

1. Besides Michkov there is no "surprising young talent".
2. What "something special" are they building? Its a bad team with middling talent. With a prospect pool full of middling talent. None of whom will be any more than bit players if they ever hope to have long term success.
3. The players he names are not a part of any future where this team is a cup contender except for Michkov.
4. He says they "continue to rebuild" when the FACT is they haven't even started a rebuild. Talking about guys like Laughton and Ristolainen as if they will even be in the league by the time this team is a contender.
5. Building a winning culture, doesn't that require actually winning? Proud of the strides they have made? What strides?


I don't see a promising product. I see a perpetual bubble team blowing smoke up our asses pretending that ONE draft will solve all their problems. A draft, that if they make all their picks, will hopefully produce one above average player who plays for us in 3-5 years.

I've had enough of being on the bubble. Nothing they are doing will change that in any meaningful way.

They aren't talented enough to win anything now, and they don't have the talent to win anything in the future. Nothing they are doing will produce a sustainable contender over multiple years.
- MBFlyerfan

Right now you describe the team accurately. But you are making a lot of assumptions here about the players in the system currently and the players that will be added to the system in the near future. What if his message is a precursor of things to come? What if the Flyers are planning to be very aggressive this off season that will result in significant changes on the team? Then your presepctive and excitement level for the future might be very different than it is now. I will tell you this, if the Flyers go into next season with essentially the same team I will agree with you that this leadership is as disengenious as the ones that came before them. I just think its way too early to judge them. I do agree that maybe make these moves and generate real excitement in the fanbase before they raise ticket prices again.

Saad will be available soon as had his contract terminated. Be a good culture grab. Fill in one of the spots for when the Flyers move RP, Gh, and Laughton.

The team isn't good. Why are people paying?

You're missing the point. It's not so much raising prices. It's the BS comments
- MJL

Ok, so you are saying Hilferty is a liar and he, Jones and Briere have no intention of building a "special" team, meaning a team that will legitmately compete for the cup for multiple seasons?

Right now you describe the team accurately. But you are making a lot of assumptions here about the players in the system currently and the players that will be added to the system in the near future. What if his message is a precursor of things to come? What if the Flyers are planning to be very aggressive this off season that will result in significant changes on the team? Then your presepctive and excitement level for the future might be very different than it is now. I will tell you this, if the Flyers go into next season with essentially the same team I will agree with you that this leadership is as disengenious as the ones that came before them. I just think its way too early to judge them. I do agree that maybe make these moves and generate real excitement in the fanbase before they raise ticket prices again.
- jd250

Remeber that you are the guy who thought the moves chuckles made put us on the path to the cup. At some point you will eventually come around and realize that the triumvirate is lying and then when they are gone and "new" leadership is installed you will eat up every word that they say regardless of what your eyes tell you

Ok, so you are saying Hilferty is a liar and he, Jones and Briere have no intention of building a "special" team, meaning a team that will legitmately compete for the cup for multiple seasons?
- jd250

Would you call this team as constructed as "special"?

How are they going to make the roster more competitive next year? (Hint you can say 6 draft picks!!!)

What actions (not words) has the triumvirate taken that shows they are building a legitimate contender in the future?

This team is not good though -- we saw it last night
- corduroy

The Flyers are what they are. The second half of last season they were 17-19-5 and the first half of this season they were 17-19-5. So far the second half of this season they are 6-4-1. They are a below .500 team that is only a bubble team because there are a lot of teams around them in a similar situation. I know this. You know this. Don't you think Briere and Jones know this? Jones has come again this year and stated the team is not close. Torts has said repeatedly the Flyers are not buyers at the deadline. Briere has stated he will listen to all offers but will not bite unless its beneficial to the future of the team. So what am I missing here? Who thinks this team is good enough?

You have zero clue how the Flyers play compared to the rest of the league. Nor do you have any clue on how Tortorella is handling Michkov.
- MJL

I could care less if Michkov is a defensive wizard or blocks shots. his talent is as a creative offensive player. Tortorella has neutered him in that aspect. The coach has no clue how to let this player use his skills and instead tries to shackle them.

If people can't see this I am not sure what your watching. Torts should be fired for this alone. He is not building this player up, he is hamstringing him into a muck and grinder with skill.

Ok, so you are saying Hilferty is a liar and he, Jones and Briere have no intention of building a "special" team, meaning a team that will legitmately compete for the cup for multiple seasons?
- jd250

They have .01% shot of building a cup contending team. How long do you give them to do turn them into a cup contender. This will be their 3rd off season coming up.

Right now you describe the team accurately. But you are making a lot of assumptions here about the players in the system currently and the players that will be added to the system in the near future. What if his message is a precursor of things to come? What if the Flyers are planning to be very aggressive this off season that will result in significant changes on the team? Then your presepctive and excitement level for the future might be very different than it is now. I will tell you this, if the Flyers go into next season with essentially the same team I will agree with you that this leadership is as disengenious as the ones that came before them. I just think its way too early to judge them. I do agree that maybe make these moves and generate real excitement in the fanbase before they raise ticket prices again.
- jd250

Every post you make shows that you have no comprehension or understanding. It's just fueled by your absurd blind optimism. You live in a fantasy world absent of any reality when it comes to the sport of hockey.

Ok, so you are saying Hilferty is a liar and he, Jones and Briere have no intention of building a "special" team, meaning a team that will legitmately compete for the cup for multiple seasons?
- jd250

Intending to build something special and saying that they are building something special are two very different things. You don't get that. There is no indication whatsoever that they are building something special.

The Flyers are what they are. The second half of last season they were 17-19-5 and the first half of this season they were 17-19-5. So far the second half of this season they are 6-4-1. They are a below .500 team that is only a bubble team because there are a lot of teams around them in a similar situation. I know this. You know this. Don't you think Briere and Jones know this? Jones has come again this year and stated the team is not close. Torts has said repeatedly the Flyers are not buyers at the deadline. Briere has stated he will listen to all offers but will not bite unless its beneficial to the future of the team. So what am I missing here? Who thinks this team is good enough?
- jd250

Again showing you have no sense of reality. They're not a bubble team. They have a 7% chance of making the playoffs.
There is not enough bandwidth on the internet to show what you are missing.

The Flyers are what they are. The second half of last season they were 17-19-5 and the first half of this season they were 17-19-5. So far the second half of this season they are 6-4-1. They are a below .500 team that is only a bubble team because there are a lot of teams around them in a similar situation. I know this. You know this. Don't you think Briere and Jones know this? Jones has come again this year and stated the team is not close. Torts has said repeatedly the Flyers are not buyers at the deadline. Briere has stated he will listen to all offers but will not bite unless its beneficial to the future of the team. So what am I missing here? Who thinks this team is good enough?
- jd250

Problem is they are not sellers either

What ACTIONS not WORDS have they completed that shows YOU that they are building something special?

Would you call this team as constructed as "special"?

How are they going to make the roster more competitive next year? (Hint you can say 6 draft picks!!!)

What actions (not words) has the triumvirate taken that shows they are building a legitimate contender in the future?
- corduroy

No I would not consider the team currenty as special. I honestly don't know how the Flyers are going to get a more competitive roster next year. There are options but I don't know what road they are going down. The 6 picks to me have little value in an average at best draft, especially if the highest of those picks is something like 15. Sometimes the best actions are the ones you don't make. So far Briere has taken a few steps, but good steps for the most part. The Provorov trade was a strong one for Briere, and then taking a throw in from that trade in Sean Walker and turning that into another 1st round pick was also a strong move. Getting rid of players like Hayes and DeAngelo were also very good moves to make. Not spending money they don't have on FAs as bandaids has also been a positive sign.

Now you can argue extending TK and Tippet especially were dumb moves, you may be right. We'll see how that works out over time. Seeler and Hathaway are such small potatoes cap wise I don't think their extensions matter. They are good players any team would want, so if the Flyers wanted to move on from either of them they could.

This off season will really be the one to watch. Like I said, if the Flyers don't make singificant changes and show ore urgency in getting top end talent, I think the fans are right to be alarmed. Right now, its too early.

Again showing you have no sense of reality. They're not a bubble team. They have a 7% chance of making the playoffs.
There is not enough bandwidth on the internet to show what you are missing.
- MJL

Things are so tight in the standings right now that if the Flyers went on a 7-3 run they would have a decent chance of making the playoffs. So you say I have no sense of reality. What did I say in my prevous post that was wrong?