None of it matters is homerism? If you need to pay rent are you going to spend your time focusing on a job to get a paycheck so you can pay the rent or on trying to sell off a few small items for $1-$2 for a lottery ticket and hope you win with 1-2 plays?

Flyers need rent money aka elite talent. The focus is on what needs to be done to get that not selling off run of a mill players for pieces that are essentially buying 1 play for the lottery. Flyers need 1st round picks, not 5th and 6th round picks.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Doesn't matter. Irrelevant. You just don't seem to or want to get it.

Great analogy though. Yes homerism, defending all they do. There was zero need to keep those players around. Yet you defend it in some whatever way.

Do the Flyers ever make any mistakes un your opinion?

Since Torts and his staff arrived the PP has been putrid. You don't have to try to defend everything they do.

There is no valid reason for Danny to not fire him unless he isn't allowed. Not sure how you or anyone else can't see it is one of 2 scenarios.
- furio16

The PP was putrid even before Torts arrived. Like I said, they have had 3 years with no tangible results, its time for a new voice.

You're completely wrong. If the Flyers removed role players such as Seeler and Hathaway. Two things would happen. One more roater.space for younger players and most importantly. A likely drop in the standings resulting in a higher draft pick. It matters a great deal.
- MJL

Those players are not the difference between 11th overall and 1st overall. Flyers arent wining games because of these guys.

Roster spaces for who? The only players in the minors right now ready to make the jump is probably Tuomalla and Andrae. I dont think hes a 4th line player. He has to take a spot from Michkov, Konecny, Tippett, Foerster, Brink and Farabee. Our best prospects are in juniors. Unless Im forgetting someone the rest of the prospects are not NHL calibre. I agree that Seeler blocks Andrae and that wasnt a good signing. However theres nobody down there looking like they are going to take a 4th line role or should be in a 4th line role.

The PP was putrid even before Torts arrived. Like I said, they have had 3 years with no tangible results, its time for a new voice.
- jd250

It's time for a complete new coaching and management staff across the board.

I think its unfair to fire any coach after only one or two seasons. However this will be Rockey's 3rd season running the offense, and unfortunately the PP has not improved, and frankly looks bad. Therefore I think after this season its fair to replace Rocky.
- jd250

Incredible. Not surprised but incredible.

Has his prior track record at other stops give you any hope it would turn around?

Only a moron GM would kept him around this long. Do you think Danny is a moron?

Doesn't matter. Irrelevant. You just don't seem to or want to get it.

Great analogy though. Yes homerism, defending all they do. There was zero need to keep those players around. Yet you defend it in some whatever way.

Do the Flyers ever make any mistakes un your opinion?
- furio16

Defending and not caring are not the same. Do you even read my comments? Ive criticized the Seeler signing several times today alone

The PP was putrid even before Torts arrived. Like I said, they have had 3 years with no tangible results, its time for a new voice.
- jd250

What it was prior does not matter in any way.

Those players are not the difference between 11th overall and 1st overall. Flyers arent wining games because of these guys.

Roster spaces for who? The only players in the minors right now ready to make the jump is probably Tuomalla and Andrae. I dont think hes a 4th line player. He has to take a spot from Michkov, Konecny, Tippett, Foerster, Brink and Farabee. Our best prospects are in juniors. Unless Im forgetting someone the rest of the prospects are not NHL calibre. I agree that Seeler blocks Andrae and that wasnt a good signing. However theres nobody down there looking like they are going to take a 4th line role or should be in a 4th line role.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Where did I say it would be the difference between 11th and 1st overall. We'll start there

Defending and not caring are not the same. Do you even read my comments? Ive criticized the Seeler signing several times today alone
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Then you come back with the he will be easy to move garbage. You criticize that move but are ok with GH and RP ext. Why is that?

Oh stop the BS already with Torts. Look, the system Torts has deployed for this team is an aggressive forecheck, aggressive step up (check forward) in the nuetral zone to create turnovers, and a protect the house (straight lines on either side of the net from the backwall to the top of each circle and then a diagonal to the midpoint on the blue line) scheme in the d-zone, which attempts to keep pucks to the outside while blocking passing and shooting lanes. The only problem I have with this approach is it sometimes leads to the Flyers getting pinned in their own zone for minutes at a time which eventually could lead to breakdowns defensively due to tired players. So it's critical in this system that the wingers are aggressive when they have the chance break up a play and chip the puck out of the d-zone. Carolina deploys a very aggressive d-zone scheme for example. The Flyers are more passive but still there is room for smart aggressive play. I often notice Michkov goes to a spot and stops well short of pressuring the puck, not just on this play, but all the time. It's very hard for a player that is stationary to get his feet moving again quickly and react to a play. In this case Michkov with more hunger for the puck could have broke up that play, and if he was not stationary would not have had to dive for a puck when just by taking 1 or 2 strides more he would have got that lose puck before it was recovered by the Devils.

I am not here to pick on Michkov, he is a 20 year old kid. Instead my only goal is to explain why I think Michkov is not playing big minutes in the 3rd period when the Flyers are tied or leading. Michkov played less than 10 minutes the game before when the Flyers were leading in the 3rd. Last night Michkov played 14:31 with the Flyers down big.
- jd250

Why do you defend this coach so strongly?

Wouldn’t a good coach “coach” the problems out of Michkov and others instead of taking their ice time away, benching them, and making them watch from the press box? If he’s such a good coach why haven’t all these other young talented players gotten better? Drysdale, York, Tippett, Farabbee, Frost come to mind. Granted Foerester is really improving so 1 out of 6 not that good.

Torts is not flexible nor is he proving himself to be a good coach. These players, including Michkov, are either regressing or stagnating under his mentorship. If you notice Michkov stoping short where two strides more wouldn’t a good coach see it too and correct it?

Anthony DiMarco and Anthony SanFilippo in two separate articles on the same day mentioned an 18 month timeline. SanFilippo article was about the ticket increases and DiMarco was about the deadline.

Not a coincidence that was put out there right after the ticket increases came out.
- psuhockey

Did he really say 18 months?!?!

Then you come back with the he will be easy to move garbage. You criticize that move but are ok with GH and RP ext. Why is that?
- furio16

I never once said hed be easy to move. I once said that maybe we can move him after his NTC expires or maybe hed be willing to waive.

Yes Im OK with GH and RP because they play a much smaller role and theres nobody in the AHL ready to or even fit for that role unlike Seeler who if moved would allow Andrae to be in our lineup as he should be.

I think its unfair to fire any coach after only one or two seasons. However this will be Rockey's 3rd season running the offense, and unfortunately the PP has not improved, and frankly looks bad. Therefore I think after this season its fair to replace Rocky.
- jd250

The Blues fired bannister 6 months after signing him to a 2 year contract as head coach. They really have no idea what they are doing, do they?

Why do you defend this coach so strongly?

Wouldn’t a good coach “coach” the problems out of Michkov and others instead of taking their ice time away, benching them, and making them watch from the press box? If he’s such a good coach why haven’t all these other young talented players gotten better? Drysdale, York, Tippett, Farabbee, Frost come to mind. Granted Foerester is really improving so 1 out of 6 not that good.

Torts is not flexible nor is he proving himself to be a good coach. These players, including Michkov, are either regressing or stagnating under his mentorship. If you notice Michkov stoping short where two strides more wouldn’t a good coach see it too and correct it?
- mikeyo27

I'm sure you know this but I'll say it anyway. Michkov is stopping short, lacking aggressiveness because he is thinking instead of reacting. He is playing cautiously because he doesn't want to make a mistake. Flyers are making textbook poor development decisions that are synonymous of bad and dumb teams

I never once said hed be easy to move. I once said that maybe we can move him after his NTC expires or maybe hed be willing to waive.

Yes Im OK with GH and RP because they play a much smaller role and theres nobody in the AHL ready to or even fit for that role unlike Seeler who if moved would allow Andrae to be in our lineup as he should be.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Those type of players are available every God damn summer. You trade them and take the picks. That is rebuilding and accumulating assets you can use down the line.

Then go get a 1 year replacement if need be. There is zero benefit in tying up roster spots for multiple years with 4th line players. None.

When was the last time the Flyers traded a player while his value was high?

I want to point out the PP has been bad for several years now, before Rocky joined the coaching staff. It has not improved I grant you that. But its clear Briere took steps, against Tort's wishes I suspect, to bring in other voices this season. Given the PP still has not improved, I would think Rocky will be replaced in the off season. If not, then I agree it makes no sense.
- jd250

Torts, as the head coach, can delegate duties but not his own responsibility. He is ultimately responsible for the coaching failures under him.

I'm sure you know this but I'll say it anyway. Michkov is stopping short, lacking aggressiveness because he is thinking instead of reacting. He is playing cautiously because he doesn't want to make a mistake. Flyers are making textbook poor development decisions that are synonymous of bad and dumb teams
- MJL

Ding ding ding ding!

More evidence that this current coach is not a good coach for these young players!

[Hall] Looks like Adam Ginning has been called up, via Flyers' roster on NHL media website.

Zamula still day to day. When is the last time the Flyers gave someone an injury designation beyond day to day?

Where did I say it would be the difference between 11th and 1st overall. We'll start there
- MJL

When you said moving them would cause them to lose more games. They are not winnig games because of these players. At best they are just mentoring the young players. The 4th line is not the difference between where they are now and a better pick. The team would actually be better if Andrae was in the lineup. Which he should be.

The Flyers have been winning games because Ristolainen has played well, Sanheim has played well, Drysdale has played a lot better than earlier this season, Frost has had good games which have won us games, Tippett has played better, Farabee has played better, Michkov has stolen many games in OT. Konecny has been over a point per game player. These are the reasons the Flyers are where they are.

[Hall] Looks like Adam Ginning has been called up, via Flyers' roster on NHL media website.

Zamula still day to day. When is the last time the Flyers gave someone an injury designation beyond day to day?
- StepfordSam

All teams do it. Not isolated to the Flyers.

Those type of players are available every God damn summer. You trade them and take the picks. That is rebuilding and accumulating assets you can use down the line.

Then go get a 1 year replacement if need be. There is zero benefit in tying up roster spots for multiple years with 4th line players. None.

When was the last time the Flyers traded a player while his value was high?
- furio16

You really dont get how ridiculous you sound. You are literally crying about 5th round picks......

[Hall] Looks like Adam Ginning has been called up, via Flyers' roster on NHL media website.

Zamula still day to day. When is the last time the Flyers gave someone an injury designation beyond day to day?
- StepfordSam

Based on that call up maybe it is long term. Wonder why no Andrae.

You really dont get how ridiculous you sound. You are literally crying about 5th round picks......
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Not crying at all. Pointing out the obvious.

You would a terrible businessman no doubt in my mind.

When you said moving them would cause them to lose more games. They are not winnig games because of these players. At best they are just mentoring the young players. The 4th line is not the difference between where they are now and a better pick. The team would actually be better if Andrae was in the lineup. Which he should be.

The Flyers have been winning games because Ristolainen has played well, Sanheim has played well, Drysdale has played a lot better than earlier this season, Frost has had good games which have won us games, Tippett has played better, Farabee has played better, Michkov has stolen many games in OT. Konecny has been over a point per game player. These are the reasons the Flyers are where they are.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

No, that's your incorrect assumption. I said they would have a higher draft pick. Clearly. You're wrong that those players are not contributing to winning more.games. They clearly are.

Are you familiar with the draft lottery and how they works?

Right now you describe the team accurately. But you are making a lot of assumptions here about the players in the system currently and the players that will be added to the system in the near future. What if his message is a precursor of things to come? What if the Flyers are planning to be very aggressive this off season that will result in significant changes on the team? Then your presepctive and excitement level for the future might be very different than it is now. I will tell you this, if the Flyers go into next season with essentially the same team I will agree with you that this leadership is as disengenious as the ones that came before them. I just think its way too early to judge them. I do agree that maybe make these moves and generate real excitement in the fanbase before they raise ticket prices again.
- jd250

Fair enough.