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Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Yesterday @ 11:45 AM ET
Just dont tell him or his agent about these possible increases.
Should be ok.

- Fakepartofme

Just sign McDavid
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Yesterday @ 11:48 AM ET
They’re close when times are good and everything is going up. They are not good with recessionary predictions at all.
- TurdFergeson


I don't think so ..Bettman is uber-conservative at all times. He goes out of his way to suppress optimism when it comes to $$.

He had to announce projected profits (because the agencies were releasing the info) which are about 6.6B. You divide that 50/50 between owners and players and you've got 3.3B into payroll (roughly, b/c there are some offsets for other player benefits).

But, 3.3B divided by 32 teams is roughly 103M ....that's this current year. Revenue won't regress ..it might slow ..but even with slow growth in the past it's grown at about 4% per year.

Sure, another pandemic or massive recession could impact all of that but nobody plans/bargains for that. If it were to happen then the formula changes. This announcement will just allow teams/agents to plan.



The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Yesterday @ 11:50 AM ET
Yep.

If you are a superstar this is the year to be a free agent.

- Santo_44


McDavid is going to be the first $20M/yr player.
TurdFergeson
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: On the road again
Joined: 01.04.2021

Yesterday @ 11:51 AM ET
I don't think so ..Bettman is uber-conservative at all times. He goes out of his way to suppress optimism when it comes to $$.

He had to announce projected profits (because the agencies were releasing the info) which are about 6.6B. You divide that 50/50 between owners and players and you've got 3.3B into payroll (roughly, b/c there are some offsets for other player benefits).

But, 3.3B divided by 32 teams is roughly 103M ....that's this current year. Revenue won't regress ..it might slow ..but even with slow growth in the past it's grown at about 4% per year.

Sure, another pandemic or massive recession could impact all of that but nobody plans/bargains for that. If it were to happen then the formula changes. This announcement will just allow teams/agents to plan.

- The Law


It’s going up for sure. But I think they’re not planning in Trump effects on Canadian revenue. The fx rate alone is going to bring those projections down.

Remains to be seen. Not worth arguing over. Just my opinion.
Whipper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GalacticStone made avi, AB
Joined: 07.04.2006

Yesterday @ 11:51 AM ET
McDavid is going to be the first $20M/yr player.
- The Law

That's not an issue, we will have the cap space.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Macrodata Refinement , ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Yesterday @ 11:53 AM ET
I don't think so ..Bettman is uber-conservative at all times. He goes out of his way to suppress optimism when it comes to $$.

He had to announce projected profits (because the agencies were releasing the info) which are about 6.6B. You divide that 50/50 between owners and players and you've got 3.3B into payroll (roughly, b/c there are some offsets for other player benefits).

But, 3.3B divided by 32 teams is roughly 103M ....that's this current year. Revenue won't regress ..it might slow ..but even with slow growth in the past it's grown at about 4% per year.

Sure, another pandemic or massive recession could impact all of that but nobody plans/bargains for that. If it were to happen then the formula changes. This announcement will just allow teams/agents to plan.

- The Law


Will be interesting to see how this plays out in next collective agreement. League will want players to bear the burden of helping low revenue teams keep up with rising cap floor. Players will say big market teams can do more to help out. Will either side want to risk a season when revenues are growing?
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Yesterday @ 11:53 AM ET
Bruins fans have really turned on Marchand this year. Every tweet I read about him is how he is a poop leader and needs to go. Funny how it works.
- Santo_44

The female genitalias in NE have had unending great leaders across a ton of their franchises. They can suck a big old Richard that they are only "ok" this year.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Yesterday @ 11:57 AM ET
I think he is the same leader he has always beem...They are just poop. Don't think Marchand handles losing well either. He never has so.
- Santo_44


Is Marchand intense? Yes. Can he help lead a team with how he plays? Absolutely.

Is he a good player? Yes.

Do I think he represents what a captain of a team should be? Not in a million years. With all his dumb stuff, he's not the guy you want the other players looking up to.

But that's just me.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Yesterday @ 11:57 AM ET
Marner’s going get paid!
- Canada Cup


Ya, he's negotiating knowing that his buddy, #34, is getting 13.25x4 and then is going to sign a 8 yr deal at a minimum of $17M per year.

shack67
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: NS
Joined: 07.05.2015

Yesterday @ 11:58 AM ET
Just sign McDavid
- Santo_44

He and his wife are in the process of opening a bar and restaurant in Edmonton so I doubt that he leaves.
fifty__missions
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Burkie's Rented Barn, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Yesterday @ 11:59 AM ET
Is Marchand intense? Yes. Can he help lead a team with how he plays? Absolutely.

Is he a good player? Yes.

Do I think he represents what a captain of a team should be? Not in a million years. With all his dumb stuff, he's not the guy you want the other players looking up to.

But that's just me.

- Scabeh


He's not the player he used to be. Noticeable this year for sure. He should not be on the four nations team imo.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Yesterday @ 12:00 PM ET
He and his wife are in the process of opening a bar and restaurant in Edmonton so I doubt that he leaves.
- shack67

With all due respect I don't think this means a damn thing. The last thing that is going to effect him potentially leaving is a small business he has in Edmonton.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Yesterday @ 12:02 PM ET
Is Marchand intense? Yes. Can he help lead a team with how he plays? Absolutely.

Is he a good player? Yes.

Do I think he represents what a captain of a team should be? Not in a million years. With all his dumb stuff, he's not the guy you want the other players looking up to.

But that's just me.

- Scabeh


I think he represents what the Bruins strive to be each year.

But when things don't go well that identity doesn't work.

So I get why its not working this year.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Yesterday @ 12:02 PM ET
He's not the player he used to be. Noticeable this year for sure. He should not be on the four nations team imo.
- fifty__missions


Maybe he would still be there, but they probably regretted selecting him in the first confirmed picks.
TurdFergeson
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: On the road again
Joined: 01.04.2021

Yesterday @ 12:02 PM ET
With all due respect I don't think this means a damn thing. The last thing that is going to effect him potentially leaving is a small business he has in Edmonton.
- Santo_44


This.
GalacticStone
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: We shoulda let Uncle Billy finish the job.
Joined: 01.29.2013

Yesterday @ 12:03 PM ET
Want to hear my thoughts on politics?
- Whipper

Boiled down, we probably agree on more than we don't. We just approach the same issues from different angles. My politics tend to piss off both sides at different times.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Yesterday @ 12:06 PM ET
It’s going up for sure. But I think they’re not planning in Trump effects on Canadian revenue. The fx rate alone is going to bring those projections down.

Remains to be seen. Not worth arguing over. Just my opinion.

- TurdFergeson


Not to be political but honestly it's boiling down to nothing but noise. He's indicating he will NOT be taxing Canadian crude ...the threats become pretty hollow if that's true. And his Tariff/Tax man is saying all we need to do to avoid his threat is do something about the relatively small amounts of Fentanyl we allow into the US.

Our new government will buy some military and spend some money (they already have) on the Border ...Trump will thump his chest in victory ...and we'll move on.

I don't see this impacting hockey revenues in any meaningful way.
GalacticStone
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: We shoulda let Uncle Billy finish the job.
Joined: 01.29.2013

Yesterday @ 12:09 PM ET
Marchand is past his prime and the decline will be steep and rapid. I'd pass on extending him with any term. Rental for one last kick at the can? Yes. Sign an albatross contract? No.
Whipper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GalacticStone made avi, AB
Joined: 07.04.2006

Yesterday @ 12:10 PM ET
Boiled down, we probably agree on more than we don't. We just approach the same issues from different angles. My politics tend to piss off both sides at different times.
- GalacticStone

YES!!! 1000%, people need to realize that. It literally almost seems like someone is sowing division in the ranks to distract us from what is really going on. Look at how buddy buddy Bush and Obama are. If they can get along, we all should be able to.
mr.sir
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Joined: 01.18.2015

Yesterday @ 12:10 PM ET
Rumour

Aquilini loves Marner

Enough to move both Miller and Pettersen, in order to have ample cap space
Willing to go 15m, according to my sources 😲
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Yesterday @ 12:12 PM ET
Ya, he's negotiating knowing that his buddy, #34, is getting 13.25x4 and then is going to sign a 8 yr deal at a minimum of $17M per year.
- The Law

Marner cannot be negotiating on what he thinks matthews will sign in 4 years.
If he/his agent is, then Marner signs a 5 year $12.5m per deal
Tre would be stupid to consider anything close to $17m x 8. Way too much uncertainty in the markets affecting people's pocket books.

Also, in 4 years time Matthews will be 31/32 and probably on the decline....I dont see him getting a huge raise at that time. But we'll see.
GalacticStone
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: We shoulda let Uncle Billy finish the job.
Joined: 01.29.2013

Yesterday @ 12:13 PM ET
YES!!! 1000%, people need to realize that. It literally almost seems like someone is sowing division in the ranks to distract us from what is really going on. Look at how buddy buddy Bush and Obama are. If they can get along, we all should be able to.
- Whipper

Whipper and Galactic Stone as goodwill ambassadors, true reconciliation is possible, the gap is bridged, differences are solved.

Utopia is imminent. Plan the parade! 🤪
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Yesterday @ 12:14 PM ET
Marner cannot be negotiating on what he thinks matthews will sign in 4 years.
If he/his agent is, then Marner signs a 5 year $12.5m per deal
Tre would be stupid to consider anything close to $17m x 8. Way too much uncertainty in the markets affecting people's pocket books.

Also, in 4 years time Matthews will be 31/32 and probably on the decline....I dont see him getting a huge raise at that time. But we'll see.

- Fakepartofme


Lol okay
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Yesterday @ 12:15 PM ET
Don't really care if Marchand is or isn't on TC, but he's still a great penalty killing pest even if he's no longer the PPG threat he was in his prime. Aside from Marner, who is going to PK on the wing and do so the way he does? Hagel? He's still going to score 30 goals in a down year.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Yesterday @ 12:16 PM ET
He and his wife are in the process of opening a bar and restaurant in Edmonton so I doubt that he leaves.
- shack67


Ya I think so, he's eligible to extend this summer so we'll find out.
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