No i wouldn't, pettersson is not a player i want, he is good really good.

But not at this moment I dont want him
- Sinister

Agreed!

not a chance pettersson is soft,and cant handle criticism imagine him in philly.
- dirtysteve

Philly is so tough on hockey players. He would have it made in the shade. Little pressure to win. Can walk around and majority will not know who you are or care. Media are a bunch of cupcakes and most controlled by the team. Flyer's 4th in pecking order. Would be hard to survive after leaving Vancouver.

I don't understand all the complaints on this forum as to how the Flyers are playing. This is what you all have been asking for after all. You begged Briere to truly start the rebuild, and many of you wanted the Flyers to tank for a top 5 pick. Well, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE when you tank, or rebuild, or whatever name you want to give it. You should all be happy, the Flyers are down to the 7th overall pick and trending in the right direction. They now have 7 picks in the first 50 picks, including potentially a top pick, and will have a healthy amount of cap space going into next season. What's the problem?

Philly is so tough on hockey players. He would have it made in the shade. Little pressure to win. Can walk around and majority will not know who you are or care. Media are a bunch of cupcakes and most controlled by the team. Flyer's 4th in pecking order. Would be hard to survive after leaving Vancouver.
- furio16

This is also a thread I don't understand. Vancouver is NOT STARTING OVER! They are not trading Elias Pettersson. It's not even worth a discussion.

Frost playing on the half wall on the PP. What is Calgary thinking?

Frost playing on the half wall on the PP. What is Calgary thinking?
- furio16

Imagine letting players with skills use those skills

I don't understand all the complaints on this forum as to how the Flyers are playing. This is what you all have been asking for after all. You begged Briere to truly start the rebuild, and many of you wanted the Flyers to tank for a top 5 pick. Well, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE when you tank, or rebuild, or whatever name you want to give it. You should all be happy, the Flyers are down to the 7th overall pick and trending in the right direction. They now have 7 picks in the first 50 picks, including potentially a top pick, and will have a healthy amount of cap space going into next season. What's the problem?
- jd250

Do you not understand they are losing but not by design. At the end of the day guess in a way that doesn't matter as you want a high pick. Creating cap space to overpay on pseudo #1 center or dman. We both know that is what they will try to do.

No this is not what a rebuild looks like. Can't wait for the 8 year 8 million+ per for Bennent. That will solve a lot of issues. Please give the coach a well-deserved extension.

You yourself said both players who were traded are not very good. Really no big loss in your eyes. Then how is that "tanking" for a top pick? It very well may be addition by subtraction in your eyes. Add in you may get an uptick in production by the 2 new guys as they will want to imoress the coach and team.

Imagine letting players with skills use those skills
- corduroy

Come on they tried Frost in that spot here just didn't work. He did have a nice goal last night. Passio and culture > skill in /flyersland.

I don't understand all the complaints on this forum as to how the Flyers are playing. This is what you all have been asking for after all. You begged Briere to truly start the rebuild, and many of you wanted the Flyers to tank for a top 5 pick. Well, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE when you tank, or rebuild, or whatever name you want to give it. You should all be happy, the Flyers are down to the 7th overall pick and trending in the right direction. They now have 7 picks in the first 50 picks, including potentially a top pick, and will have a healthy amount of cap space going into next season. What's the problem?
- jd250

What you do not seem to understand that this is the second season of doing things the wrong way -- they are "trending" in the right direction despite themselves. The triumvirate would rather make the playoffs this season than pick in the top 5 - even though they are on record saying that drafting high is how you get elite talent. How long will it be before you start spouting off what gmdb said when meeting with the press after the trade? My guess is by 10am EDT

Do you not understand they are losing but not by design. At the end of the day guess in a way that doesn't matter as you want a high pick. Creating cap space to overpay on pseudo #1 center or dman. We both know that is what they will try to do.

No this is not what a rebuild looks like. Can't wait for the 8 year 8 million+ per for Bennent. That will solve a lot of issues. Please give the coach a well-deserved extension.

You yourself said both players who were traded are not very good. Really no big loss in your eyes. Then how is that "tanking" for a top pick? It very well may be addition by subtraction in your eyes. Add in you may get an uptick in production by the 2 new guys as they will want to imoress the coach and team.
- furio16

Wow, pretty jaded viewpoint. So if it turns out the Flyers don't overpay for a "pseudo #1" center, and they don't offer a 8 year mega deal to Bennett, will you come on this forum and state you were wrong? I highly doubt it.

What you do not seem to understand that this is the second season of doing things the wrong way -- they are "trending" in the right direction despite themselves. The triumvirate would rather make the playoffs this season than pick in the top 5 - even though they are on record saying that drafting high is how you get elite talent. How long will it be before you start spouting off what gmdb said when meeting with the press after the trade? My guess is by 10am EDT
- corduroy

What you don't seem to understand if the difference between the way professional hockey players think, the words professional hockey coaches use, and the consistent actions and message from the GM and POHO. You admit now the Flyers are trending in the right direction, but it clearly is not by accident. The Flyers players and coaches wanted to make the playoffs last season, that is what they are payed to do. That is what it means to be professionals. They are wired to win and compete, and no one is going to be able to turn that off. But the GM cut their legs out from under them by not replacing Hart and trading Walker. So clearly the actions of the GM made it almost impossible for the team to make the playoffs. This year already, the GM has only accumulated more picks and cap space, and opened up more roster spots for younger players by trading away two marginal players from the roster. The actions are clear. The message is clear. You just don't want to accept it.

Wow, pretty jaded viewpoint. So if it turns out the Flyers don't overpay for a "pseudo #1" center, and they don't offer a 8 year mega deal to Bennett, will you come on this forum and state you were wrong? I highly doubt it.
- jd250

Why wouldn't I? Unlike you I have no problem saying I was incorrect.

What do you think they plan on doing with the cap space? What #1 center is available in free agency. Let's start there before we mov eon to potential trade candidates.

https://www.spotrac.com/n...ion/c/sort/contract_value

What you don't seem to understand if the difference between the way professional hockey players think, the words professional hockey coaches use, and the consistent actions and message from the GM and POHO. You admit now the Flyers are trending in the right direction, but it clearly is not by accident. The Flyers players and coaches wanted to make the playoffs last season, that is what they are payed to do. That is what it means to be professionals. They are wired to win and compete, and no one is going to be able to turn that off. But GM cut their legs out from under them by not replacing Hart and trading Walker. So clearly the actions of the GM made it almost impossible for the team to make the playoffs. This year already, the GM has only accumulated more picks and cap space, and opened up more roster spots for younger players by trading away two marginal players from the roster. The actions are clear. The message is clear. You just don't want to accept it.
- jd250

Now the GM cut their legs off. Love all your diff flip flopping view points.

If trading Walker cut their legs off then your team isn't nearly as good as you think.

No spots have been open. 2 out and 2 in. Equal trade off.
Actions are clear with that trade agree 100%. They wanted cap space and wasn't really concerned about the return. Wanted both gone. Now imagine being a team as poor as the Flyers where you had yo even worry about cap space to begin with.

I don't understand all the complaints on this forum as to how the Flyers are playing. This is what you all have been asking for after all. You begged Briere to truly start the rebuild, and many of you wanted the Flyers to tank for a top 5 pick. Well, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE when you tank, or rebuild, or whatever name you want to give it. You should all be happy, the Flyers are down to the 7th overall pick and trending in the right direction. They now have 7 picks in the first 50 picks, including potentially a top pick, and will have a healthy amount of cap space going into next season. What's the problem?
- jd250

No, this is not what an intentional rebuild with a good coaching/FO looks like.

1. You do not sign bottom of the roster older players to lucrative extensions w/NTCs. You turn over the bottom of the roster.
2. The priority is developing young players with veteran support. The Flyers prioritize the bottom of the roster vets and support them with the young players, when they have no other choice.
3. You do not let your out of touch, doesn't believe in analytics, offensive systems are overrated, wants players to show him he/they care by him yelling at them and them yelling at him coach. Nobody was hiring this dinosaur before the Flyers came calling and once again the franchise leans back into "lunchpail work ethic" and "team nobody wants to play against" bullpoop. What f'ing team in the last 3 years was/is afraid of the Flyers? That's just a bunch of BS sold to nostalgic old time fans who long for the good old days.
4. The coach doesn't put the young players in their best roles or best interest in development. Morgan Frost, Andrae, MM, etc. The handling has been horrible.
5. The contracts/players who fit the timeline have been horrible.
6. Player handling by the GM has been horrible. Kolosov, Fedotov, Andrae, etc. but generally because what Torts wants Torts gets.
7. Drafting. The Flyers have been trying to be the smartest people in the room with Jett and Bonk, etc but it's not really working out for them so far.

DB could take a crap at center ice and comcast media would spin it as a great move for the rebuild. They spun it as a rebuild when he wasn't trading anyone and now it's an even better rebuild now that he's trading 25 and younger players.

MM looks like he is extremely frustrated with the coaching. Playing time for players makes no sense. Andrae had to toil down in the AHL despite clearly being one of the best 6 defenders on the Flyers, etc.

The Flyers aren't tanking, they aren't rebuilding, they are imploding. Torts mental torture wears players out, Torts wanting players to play in playoff mode from game 1 wears them out physically.

DB even admitted the Frost trade was to BUY a center, not develop one.

Am i glad the Flyers chances have drafting the next McDavid/Crosby/etc have improved? Absolutely but, looking at Michkov, do you think, if one is drafted, he can overcome the Flyers bullpoop? The Flyers have yet to acknowledge that they are falling down the rankings or leaning into it. This is very much not their plan but it will be spun as such.

Why wouldn't I? Unlike you I have no problem saying I was incorrect.

What do you think they plan on doing with the cap space? What #1 center is available in free agency. Let's start there before we mov eon to potential trade candidates.

https://www.spotrac.com/n...ion/c/sort/contract_value
- furio16

Here is what I think the plan is. It starts with building the young core. I think the Flyers will go hard after Clarke from LA for their 1D. I think they may also tank enough this season to be able to get their 1C in this draft, which from reports I have heard the Flyers want Hagens from BC. I was at a BC game not too long ago and the Flyers scouts were there in force. I think Andrae was called up to showcase him before the deadline, or the Flyers might be looking to move on from York instead of extending him. I also think the Flyers will move Drysdale in a trade if there is interest. Risto I think will not be traded and will part of the core defense moving forward. As far as the cap space, as Briere has stated the plan is to have the space there when the "right player" becomes available. But they can also use that cap space to sign supporting players around Michkov and the rest of the young core they develop. On free agent I have always liked is Ehlers from the Jets. He will get TK type money, but the Flyers do need LWs.

What you don't seem to understand if the difference between the way professional hockey players think, the words professional hockey coaches use, and the consistent actions and message from the GM and POHO. You admit now the Flyers are trending in the right direction, but it clearly is not by accident. The Flyers players and coaches wanted to make the playoffs last season, that is what they are payed to do. That is what it means to be professionals. They are wired to win and compete, and no one is going to be able to turn that off. But the GM cut their legs out from under them by not replacing Hart and trading Walker. So clearly the actions of the GM made it almost impossible for the team to make the playoffs. This year already, the GM has only accumulated more picks and cap space, and opened up more roster spots for younger players by trading away two marginal players from the roster. The actions are clear. The message is clear. You just don't want to accept it.
- jd250

I do not admit they are trending in the right direction -- the quotation marks around the word are used to mock you -- but since the triumvirate did not tell you that you do not under stand that.

Are SJ, Anaheim, Chicago, etc. players not wired to compete? No one has an issue with the players -- it is the front office and coach - there was no need to resign the plugs that they have resigned -- they all should have been traded.

They did replace hart with Fedotov, Kosolov and Petersen. They only traded walker because they could not reach a deal to extend him - Just like being two years too late with how horrible chuckles was you will see that this group of "leaders" is just as bad -- by then the "rebuild" will be going into its 15th year

Let me ask you a question -- if Frost and Farabee are "marginal" players why does trading them equate to the team "trending" in the right direction. Marginal players would not have that kind of impact, would they?

No, this is not what an intentional rebuild with a good coaching/FO looks like.

1. You do not sign bottom of the roster older players to lucrative extensions w/NTCs. You turn over the bottom of the roster.
2. The priority is developing young players with veteran support. The Flyers prioritize the bottom of the roster vets and support them with the young players, when they have no other choice.
3. You do not let your out of touch, doesn't believe in analytics, offensive systems are overrated, wants players to show him he/they care by him yelling at them and them yelling at him coach. Nobody was hiring this dinosaur before the Flyers came calling and once again the franchise leans back into "lunchpail work ethic" and "team nobody wants to play against" bullpoop. What f'ing team in the last 3 years was/is afraid of the Flyers? That's just a bunch of BS sold to nostalgic old time fans who long for the good old days.
4. The coach doesn't put the young players in their best roles or best interest in development. Morgan Frost, Andrae, MM, etc. The handling has been horrible.
5. The contracts/players who fit the timeline have been horrible.
6. Player handling by the GM has been horrible. Kolosov, Fedotov, Andrae, etc. but generally because what Torts wants Torts gets.
7. Drafting. The Flyers have been trying to be the smartest people in the room with Jett and Bonk, etc but it's not really working out for them so far.

DB could take a crap at center ice and comcast media would spin it as a great move for the rebuild. They spun it as a rebuild when he wasn't trading anyone and now it's an even better rebuild now that he's trading 25 and younger players.

MM looks like he is extremely frustrated with the coaching. Playing time for players makes no sense. Andrae had to toil down in the AHL despite clearly being one of the best 6 defenders on the Flyers, etc.

The Flyers aren't tanking, they aren't rebuilding, they are imploding. Torts mental torture wears players out, Torts wanting players to play in playoff mode from game 1 wears them out physically.

DB even admitted the Frost trade was to BUY a center, not develop one.

Am i glad the Flyers chances have drafting the next McDavid/Crosby/etc have improved? Absolutely but, looking at Michkov, do you think, if one is drafted, he can overcome the Flyers bullpoop? The Flyers have yet to acknowledge that they are falling down the rankings or leaning into it. This is very much not their plan but it will be spun as such.
- Flyers_01

I appreciate the thoughtful response, but I have to say I prety much disagree with everything you have posted here.

Why wouldn't I? Unlike you I have no problem saying I was incorrect.

What do you think they plan on doing with the cap space? What #1 center is available in free agency. Let's start there before we mov eon to potential trade candidates.

https://www.spotrac.com/n...ion/c/sort/contract_value
- furio16

That is a scary list. Would not be surprised at all if they overpay bigly for Bennett

I do not admit they are trending in the right direction -- the quotation marks around the word are used to mock you -- but since the triumvirate did not tell you that you do not under stand that.

Are SJ, Anaheim, Chicago, etc. players not wired to compete? No one has an issue with the players -- it is the front office and coach - there was no need to resign the plugs that they have resigned -- they all should have been traded.

They did replace hart with Fedotov, Kosolov and Petersen. They only traded walker because they could not reach a deal to extend him - Just like being two years too late with how horrible chuckles was you will see that this group of "leaders" is just as bad -- by then the "rebuild" will be going into its 15th year

Let me ask you a question -- if Frost and Farabee are "marginal" players why does trading them equate to the team "trending" in the right direction. Marginal players would not have that kind of impact, would they?
- corduroy

They are marginal NHL players, but still NHL players. With Tippet and Poehling out also, the Flyers went into the game last night with only 11 forwards. We'll see where SJ, Anaheim and Chicago will be 5 years from now. I guarantee at least two of the 3 franchises will be exactly where they are currently.

Here is what I think the plan is. It starts with building the young core. I think the Flyers will go hard after Clarke from LA for their 1D. I think they may also tank enough this season to be able to get their 1C in this draft, which from reports I have heard the Flyers want Hagens from BC. I was at a BC game not too long ago and the Flyers scouts were there in force. I think Andrae was called up to showcase him before the deadline, or the Flyers might be looking to move on from York instead of extending him. I also think the Flyers will move Drysdale in a trade if there is interest. Risto I think will not be traded and will part of the core defense moving forward. As far as the cap space, as Briere has stated the plan is to have the space there when the "right player" becomes available. But they can also use that cap space to sign supporting players around Michkov and the rest of the young core they develop. On free agent I have always liked is Ehlers from the Jets. He will get TK type money, but the Flyers do need LWs.
- jd250

if ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas

Now the GM cut their legs off. Love all your diff flip flopping view points.

If trading Walker cut their legs off then your team isn't nearly as good as you think.

No spots have been open. 2 out and 2 in. Equal trade off.
Actions are clear with that trade agree 100%. They wanted cap space and wasn't really concerned about the return. Wanted both gone. Now imagine being a team as poor as the Flyers where you had yo even worry about cap space to begin with.
- furio16

You forget at the time of the trade, the Flyers were devastated with injuries on the backend and Walker was probably their best defenseman last year. So yes, trading him pretty much cost the Flyers at least a brief playoff appearance last season. Briere inherited the cap space mess Fletcher left him. Recall when Hextall became GM it took him years to clean up the mess Holmgren left him. You can't just snap your fingers and hope cap space magically appears. Next season the Flyers are projected to have $23M in cap space, that's pretty darn good work in only 2 years on the job for Briere.

That is a scary list. Would not be surprised at all if they overpay bigly for Bennett
- StepfordSam

7X10?

if ifs and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a merry Christmas
- corduroy

You asked for a plan and I gave you one. You have to admit its a pretty good one. And BTW, I did have merry Christmas, and I hope you did as well.

the annual pre-trade deadline Risto injury has come back yet again.

Here is what I think the plan is. It starts with building the young core. I think the Flyers will go hard after Clarke from LA for their 1D. I think they may also tank enough this season to be able to get their 1C in this draft, which from reports I have heard the Flyers want Hagens from BC. I was at a BC game not too long ago and the Flyers scouts were there in force. I think Andrae was called up to showcase him before the deadline, or the Flyers might be looking to move on from York instead of extending him. I also think the Flyers will move Drysdale in a trade if there is interest. Risto I think will not be traded and will part of the core defense moving forward. As far as the cap space, as Briere has stated the plan is to have the space there when the "right player" becomes available. But they can also use that cap space to sign supporting players around Michkov and the rest of the young core they develop. On free agent I have always liked is Ehlers from the Jets. He will get TK type money, but the Flyers do need LWs.
- jd250

So you think they’ll move Drysdale if there is interest? Holy (frank). They just traded one of the best prospects in the game to get him…like last night…lol. Now even you are questioning if there would be interest from others?
Cap space should no longer be an issue….its set too rise over 25 million in the next 3 years …by 2027-28 the cap will be at 113 million.