It’s actually two high sticks.
- Atomic Wedgie

Domi missed it, I think.

Atrocious call.

But 3-0…
- Atomic Wedgie

Whoa. That’s a blown call for sure.

Jesus.

Atrocious call.

But 3-0…
- Atomic Wedgie

No, seriously.

That’s no goal.

- Skalapy

He’s had 9 years to earn an “A”


(frank)in’ bonehead not paying attention took a bench minor.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Ya but he could get 50

No, seriously.

That’s no goal.
- Atomic Wedgie

It was over the bar….but glad to see go the leafs way

Whoa. That’s a blown for sure.

Jesus.
- Cush29

Should be a legal play anyways. If you can deflect a puck down from 2 feet higher than the net, that's a skill play.

If you take the risk and high stick someone, you get a penalty.

The high stick no goal is the two line pass, redundant and prohibits scoring in a league that wants to increase it.

Do we see the blonde beast future captain nylander score 50 this year?
That'd be crazy.
- Fakepartofme

They should have changed all the A’s when they changed the C.

JT gets an A
Willy gets an A
Tanev or McCabe get an A

New leadership voices (or rank with Matthews) for a new outcome.

No, seriously.

That’s no goal.
- Atomic Wedgie

I didn't think it was as clearcut as that. His stick is descending when he makes contact - so it looks high. Here is where he actually made contact:



It's probably high still, but now you need to guess - how high is Knies, how much knee bend does he have, blah, blah, blah . . . it's not as obvious as it looks in real motion.


Source: https://x.com/i/status/1887720743351292157

Time to let Robertson have a fresh start elsewhere.

Should be a legal play anyways. If you can deflect a puck down from 2 feet higher than the net, that's a skill play.

If you take the risk and high stick someone, you get a penalty.

The high stick no goal is the two line pass, redundant and prohibits scoring in a league that wants to increase it.
- joel878

As a traditionalist when it comes to most rules and a goalie I hate this idea.

I hate that I agree with you even more if they want to increase acting it makes sense.

I think the entire rationale behind the ruke is player safety but everyone has a helmet on now and soon everyone in the league will have a visor so how much risk does it actually create that isn’t mitigated ?

I also hate the “Michigan” goal.

Get off my lawn.

Time to let Robertson have a fresh start elsewhere.
- Atomic Wedgie

Yes please.

I didn't think it was as clearcut as that. His stick is descending when he makes contact - so it looks high. Here is where he actually made contact:



It's probably high still, but now you need to guess - how high is Knies, how much knee bend does he have, blah, blah, blah . . . it's not as obvious as it looks in real motion.


Source: https://x.com/i/status/1887720743351292157
- Monkeypunk

👍

Didn’t see that before so it was a lot closer / questionable than I thought.

I still think it was a high stick though.

👍

Didn’t see that before so it was a lot closer / questionable than I thought.

I still think it was a high stick though.
- Cush29

TSN thinks he hit it higher - but regardless, a 6'3 man on his skates (4-5") hitting it at his chest? That's gotta be 5 feet in the air.

I didn't think it was as clearcut as that. His stick is descending when he makes contact - so it looks high. Here is where he actually made contact:



It's probably high still, but now you need to guess - how high is Knies, how much knee bend does he have, blah, blah, blah . . . it's not as obvious as it looks in real motion.


Source: https://x.com/i/status/1887720743351292157
- Monkeypunk

I'm 11 rows up in that corner, and it looked about 3 feet high from here. Knies is what, 6'3"? His stick was straight up and it caught his stick at least a foot above his head.

This game has been very poorly officiated throughout and we're actually getting the best of it for once. I'll take it.

Stolie.

#1G
- Arctic_AARDVARK

They’re going to share the net for a while

The officiating in this game is 😳

The officiating in this game is 😳
- Cush29

This site needs a barf emoji.

Schenn is 1 year younger than Tavares and makes $6.5m for 3 more years after this one. He is also considerably worse and already in decline:



By JT's average rate of decline he'll still be better than Schenn's average best years for a couple of years. He is that much better than Schenn.

My problem with JT is his $11m salary not his ability to contribute. If he comes back between 6 and 7, he's vastly superior to Schenn.
- Monkeypunk

You make valid points regarding regular season stats however there are some missing pieces to this equation that don't look at the entire situation.

First of all, I'd say his current team is in decline which changes his output considerably. How do they compare in terms of quality teammates and competition? The Blues have been in decline for years since their Cup while the Leafs have been regular season overachievers. That changes the numbers. If you were to compare apples to apples and put Schenn on the Leafs beside Nylander, I think they're numbers are a lot closer even though Tavares has more natural skill and probably still has the slight advantage in the regular season scoring department.

Secondly, the reason to bring in Schenn would be for playoff depth / upgrade and intangibles. He's the type of "gritty killer" the Leafs usually get at the deadline much like ROR; to play a playoff style. This is an area that I'd take Schenn over Tavares because frankly Tavares has next to zero playoff success (in terms of winning, not scoring) while Schenn has a Cup and plays a much more typical playoff style. And also, giving Berube "his type of guy" factor.

Third, what Tavares costs is still an unknown. Everybody seems to believe he's going to take a discount. He hasn't put pen to paper on that "discount" yet. If he starts asking for 9 AAV a year, that's not a discount and he's nowhere near worth that money long term. Bringing in Schenn is a guarantee that if Tavares walks or wants too much money, you have a built in replacement with term. If the Leafs are going to blow their load on a "rental", they're better off having one they keep for more than 20 games.

Fourth, Schenn is also the type of player that Boston or Tampa Bay would acquire at the deadline. You want the teams you are in direct competition with having ANOTHER playoff guy you have to potentially beat to advance out of the division? At a certain point, the Leafs have to be the ones who step head and shoulders above their competitors in that area.

Fifth, If Tavares takes the discount so many have convinced themselves he will take, having Schenn as a top-six winger or 3rd line C still fits into the Leafs needs and cap situation. Having Schenn as either a Tavares replacement OR a compliment makes this team better this playoff run and beyond. Add to that his brother and you have upgrades that fit into the Leafs needs and current window of opportunity.

You make valid points regarding regular season stats however there are some missing pieces to this equation that don't look at the entire situation.

First of all, I'd say his current team is in decline which changes his output considerably. How do they compare in terms of quality teammates and competition? The Blues have been in decline for years since their Cup while the Leafs have been regular season overachievers. That changes the numbers. If you were to compare apples to apples and put Schenn on the Leafs beside Nylander, I think they're numbers are a lot closer even though Tavares has more natural skill and probably still has the slight advantage in the regular season scoring department.

Secondly, the reason to bring in Schenn would be for playoff depth / upgrade and intangibles. He's the type of "gritty killer" the Leafs usually get at the deadline much like ROR; to play a playoff style. This is an area that I'd take Schenn over Tavares because frankly Tavares has next to zero playoff success while Schenn has a Cup and plays a much more typical playoff style. And also, the giving Berube "his type of guy" factor.

Third, what Tavares costs is still an unknown. Everybody seems to believe he's going to take a discount. He hasn't put pen to paper on that "discount" yet. If he starts asking for 9 AAV a year, that's not a discount and he's nowhere near worth that money long term. Bringing in Schenn is a guarantee that if Tavares walks or wants too much money, you have a built in replacement with term. If the Leafs are going to blow their load on a "rental", they're better off having one they keep for more than 20 games.

Fourth, Schenn is also the type of player that Boston or Tampa Bay would acquire at the deadline. You want the teams you are in direct competition with having ANOTHER playoff guy you have to potentially beat to advance out of the division? At a certain point, the Leafs have to be the ones who step head and shoulders above their competitors in that area.

Fifth, If Tavares takes the discount so many have convinced themselves he will take, having Schenn as a top-six winger or 3rd line C still fits into the Leafs needs and cap situation. Having Schenn as either a Tavares replacement OR a compliment makes this team better this playoff run and beyond. Add to that his brother and you have upgrades that fit into the Leafs needs and current window of opportunity.
- Rare_Jewel

Schenn, for the record, is a poor playoff performer. Despite playing tough, hard-nosed hockey and playing hockey "the right way" - he's a minus player pretty much every year with surprisingly poor production. The year they won the cup, he was second only to ROR in ice-time, but he was tied for 7th in points on the team with 12 in 26 games. When he was 20 he had 9 points in 11 games and that was almost his high water mark for production per game in the playoffs. Last year he did manage 8 points in 12 games, but they were all assists.

He also has only 1 GWG in 75 playoff games. I mean there's a part of most of us that likes Schenn, but I think he has more reputation than delivery. Let a Boston or a Tampa Bay acquire him. It's why they don't win cups anymore.

Schenn, for the record, is a poor playoff performer. Despite playing tough, hard-nosed hockey and playing hockey "the right way" - he's a minus player pretty much every year with surprisingly poor production. The year they won the cup, he was second only to ROR in ice-time, but he was tied for 7th in points on the team with 12 in 26 games. When he was 20 he had 9 points in 11 games and that was almost his high water mark for production per game in the playoffs. Last year he did manage 8 points in 12 games, but they were all assists.

He also has only 1 GWG in 75 playoff games. I mean there's a part of most of us that likes Schenn, but I think he has more reputation than delivery. Let a Boston or a Tampa Bay acquire him. It's why they don't win cups anymore.
- Monkeypunk

I disagree because what Schenn brings isn't always obvious on the scoresheet. The hitting, the grit, the two-way game, the fighting; all of it adds to the depth the Leafs are missing and have been missing for a long, long time without being completely useless like Reaves or Kampf etc.

The Leafs, on paper, have the guys to score, what they're missing is the guys who give them space by creating it with physicality, a variation of a point you've made many times about the Leafs core players in the playoffs before. The playoff desire that provides a spark when they're in a situation where nobody is making anything happen.

Sam Bennett was 7th on the Panthers in scoring, only 1 GWG. You think he contributed more than what his point totals showed? Think the Leafs have missed the boat on these types of players for far too long and it makes a difference when it matters.

The Leafs have also acquired players like this with no contract. At least, in this scenario, the Leafs are keeping him for more than 20 games which gives you value for the inevitable deadline overpayment.

Like I said, Schenn has proven to be a Cup winner with Berube behind the bench. You add him to this group, he gives the Leafs a lot of qualities they don't have and should be searching for to acquire in a depth role and a contingency if other players price themselves off the team in the offseason.

Forgive me, I’m puzzled, but how the frank are all of you so angry when we are 1st in the division?

If you don’t like a post/poster, ignore it.
- Atomic Wedgie

guaranteed let down game
- senstroll

reverse jinx worked!!!

Schenn, for the record, is a poor playoff performer. Despite playing tough, hard-nosed hockey and playing hockey "the right way" - he's a minus player pretty much every year with surprisingly poor production. The year they won the cup, he was second only to ROR in ice-time, but he was tied for 7th in points on the team with 12 in 26 games. When he was 20 he had 9 points in 11 games and that was almost his high water mark for production per game in the playoffs. Last year he did manage 8 points in 12 games, but they were all assists.

He also has only 1 GWG in 75 playoff games. I mean there's a part of most of us that likes Schenn, but I think he has more reputation than delivery. Let a Boston or a Tampa Bay acquire him. It's why they don't win cups anymore.
- Monkeypunk

Schenn will simply cost too much and tre is all about having depth. I dont see him moving depth, a top pick and top prospect for schenn.
Id still target Laughton. Doubt they go after schenn, ror, or nelson. But we'll see.

Schenn will simply cost too much and tre is all about having depth. I dont see him moving depth, a top pick and top prospect for schenn.
Id still target Laughton. Doubt they go after schenn, ror, or nelson. But we'll see.
- Fakepartofme

Id think adding schenn makes sense if you are keeping JT, more depth for Center. not replacing JT. same age, prob around the same cost and less production.

but Id aim for someone else if you are spending assets it would require to get schenn