Why has it taken 2 seasons under gmdb to get to the team-changing off-season?
- corduroy

There is no team changing anything. Bee and frost were moved because his highness (torts) demanded it. There is no plan from the idiots above

No, MJL said this is what I said. At the time I was very happy with the moves Fletcher made to get Ellis and Risto that off season because he as trying to fill two big gaps on the team at the time, a top pairing RHS defenseman and a 2nd pairing physical defenseman. What I didn't know at the time was Ellis was damanged goods and would only play 5 games, Risto needed a big reset, and most importantly, AV had lost the room the season before and Fletcher didn't have a plan B for coaching the team. In the end, Fletcher got fleeced by Nashville, and stubbornly doubled down with extending Risto when it was clear the season had blown up and the rebuild should have started the following season.

As far as the other statements you made, allow me to retort:

Next season the Flyers are projected to have $23M in cap space, and will probable have more with additional trades
No player development? Cates, Brink, Foerster havn't developed? Veterans like TK and Risto have not developed?
No Real prospects? Michkov? Luchanko? Bonk? Barkey? Kolosov? Carson Bjarnason?
And what is wrong with the medical staff currently?
- jd250

Cates on pace for 32 points. Less than his rookie year. Has he taken any huge steps?
Brink has been ok. Has he taken any huge steps?
Tyson has been ok. Has he taken any huge steps?

Hysterical giving Torst credit for developing TK.

MM isn't a prospect per say. Those others every other team has and more. None are studs by any means. Amazes me how you continue suck the Flyers crank at every turn.

He couldn't. You can't just wave a magic wand and free up cap space and replace half the players on the team. Recall when Briere started there was poor player development, no real prospects in the system, the medical staff was a mess, no GM at LHV, the scouting needed to be overhauled, etc. Fletcher left the Flyers in a mess.
- jd250

So, nothing has really changed in any meaningful way.

That's a comical take. Clearly they had players to move. See the moves you referenced in your post. They could have traded TK and Laughton very easily. Sanheim also. They definitely could have sped this process up and maybe landed Bedard or Celebrini along the way.

Never really pulling the plug and then hitting the gas after only two years is about the worst path you can take when rebuilding a team. We will be having this same conversation 5 years from now if they stay on the current path.
- mickel25

What your talking about is a tear down to the studs tank, and that was never the plan and for very good reason. Briere was close to trading Sanheim but that trade was nixed by Corey Krug. With the contract Fletcher signed Sanheim including the NMC, we are stuck with him. At least Sanheim is playing better now since this trade fell through. TK could have been traded, but I was happy he stayed here and I think he can absolutely be an important part of the team when they contend. Laughton could have been traded, but it wouldn't had made a difference in the end if its last year or this year, given he has a very low cap hit. I think he will be traded this deadline. Bedard and Celebrini were number 1 picks. This team would have never been bad enough to get to this point.

Many posters have left or been banned. Or both.
- furio16

I know sms4016 got a 6 year ban from the ruffled feather wussy bill

With the Hilf letter explaining ticket increase and Briere coming out they plan doing big things in the summer, it does appear the path to relevancy has been set. Sure looks like they plan on tanking the rest of the season to secure the highest draft pick possible. After that, round out the roster with trades and hope they have enough accumulated to build a contender. Homer's tenure was a similar strategy, would have been nice to draft Kane over JVR, history might have been different. So in 5 years we will have answers.
- Trox88

I do not think you can apply Homer's strategy to the current league. The Flyers landed a 1C, 1D and a top line winger all in the same offseason. That will never happen again.

What your talking about is a tear down to the studs tank, and that was never the plan and for very good reason. Briere was close to trading Sanheim but that trade was nixed by Corey Krug. With the contract Fletcher signed Sanheim including the NMC, we are stuck with him. At least Sanheim is playing better now since this trade fell through. TK could have been traded, but I was happy he stayed here and I think he can absolutely be an important part of the team when they contend. Laughton could have been traded, but it wouldn't had made a difference in the end if its last year or this year, given he has a very low cap hit. I think he will be traded this deadline. Bedard and Celebrini were number 1 picks. This team would have never been bad enough to get to this point.
- jd250

You really are a joke. TK is a loser. Always defending and making excuses. That is your m/o

Cates on pace for 32 points. Less than his rookie year. Has he taken any huge steps?
Brink has been ok. Has he taken any huge steps?
Tyson has been ok. Has he taken any huge steps?

Hysterical giving Torst credit for developing TK.

MM isn't a prospect per say. Those others every other team has and more. None are studs by any means. Amazes me how you continue suck the Flyers crank at every turn.
- furio16

I don't think the Briere will pick 7 players in the first two rounds on this draft, but I still expect the Flyers will add at least 3 more good prospects to their system that is starting to shape up again. The Flyers were middle of the pack in farm system ratings and dropped a bit once Michkov came over according to the hockey news: https://thehockeywriters....nhl-farm-system-rankings/ but I think the Flyers will add more talent this draft and their ranking will improve again.

I do not think you can apply Homer's strategy to the current league. The Flyers landed a 1C, 1D and a top line winger all in the same offseason. That will never happen again.
- mickel25

Sure you can watch then they sign John Tavers and Jacob Chycrun!!!!!

You really are a joke. TK is a loser. Always defending and making excuses. That is your m/o
- furio16

Someone is a loser here, but its not TK!

Sure you can watch then they sign John Tavers and Jacob Chycrun!!!!!
- furio16

And what are you going to do when the Flyers don't?

I don't think the Briere will pick 7 players in the first two rounds on this draft, but I still expect the Flyers will add at least 3 more good prospects to their system that is starting to shape up again. The Flyers were middle of the pack in farm system ratings and dropped a bit once Michkov came over according to the hockey news: https://thehockeywriters....nhl-farm-system-rankings/ but I think the Flyers will add more talent this draft and their ranking will improve again.
- jd250

Every team will add more talent with this draft.

Flyers do not have any top end blue chip prospects. That is sad and pathetic seeing how bad they have been year after year.

Really hoping the boys come together and go on another heater here before end of season.

And what are you going to do when the Flyers don't?
- jd250

Same thing I always do.

Of course they will not sign those 2. As they would have zero interests in this mickey mouse franchise.

They can't even get 2 player they traded for here over a week ago. Meanwhile Calgary sent their private jet for Frost and Farabee. Gold standard

Really hoping the boys come together and go on another heater here before end of season.
- StepfordSam

They are still in the playoff hunt. No need to throw in the towel now.

I do not think you can apply Homer's strategy to the current league. The Flyers landed a 1C, 1D and a top line winger all in the same offseason. That will never happen again.
- mickel25

I understand that timeline, but can it be done over the next 3 seasons? Do not know. However, I have a strong belief with the cap rising so significantly over the next 2 seasons, there will be plenty of teams that will have an internal salary cap that is not going to be the cap high. So we could see Hartnell and Kimmo trades again in the near future. I could be wrong, but that's where I see the league going.

I understand that timeline, but can it be done over the next 3 seasons? Do not know. However, I have a strong belief with the cap rising so significantly over the next 2 seasons, there will be plenty of teams that will have an internal salary cap that is not going to be the cap high. So we could see Hartnell and Kimmo trades again in the near future. I could be wrong, but that's where I see the league going.
- Trox88

On a diff note I can see some owners selling and cashing out while value is high.

On a diff note I can see some owners selling and cashing out while value is high.
- furio16

Possible, I thought I read a rumor the league wanted to place a team in Atlanta again. I guess if you fail the first two times, the third time is definitely going to be successful. I remember Bettman stating he was not happy with the diminishing attendance numbers in Winnipeg. Be awful for Jets fans if they get moved again, but Bettman has certainly shown during his career fan feelings do not matter.

No, MJL said this is what I said. At the time I was very happy with the moves Fletcher made to get Ellis and Risto that off season because he as trying to fill two big gaps on the team at the time, a top pairing RHS defenseman and a 2nd pairing physical defenseman. What I didn't know at the time was Ellis was damanged goods and would only play 5 games, Risto needed a big reset, and most importantly, AV had lost the room the season before and Fletcher didn't have a plan B for coaching the team. In the end, Fletcher got fleeced by Nashville, and stubbornly doubled down with extending Risto when it was clear the season had blown up and the rebuild should have started the following season.

As far as the other statements you made, allow me to retort:

Next season the Flyers are projected to have $23M in cap space, and will probable have more with additional trades
No player development? Cates, Brink, Foerster havn't developed? Veterans like TK and Risto have not developed?
No Real prospects? Michkov? Luchanko? Bonk? Barkey? Kolosov? Carson Bjarnason?
And what is wrong with the medical staff currently?
- jd250

The players you claim that have developed are nothing more than bottom 6 forwards at the moment - TK was a close to a PPG play under av -- so no he has not developed of anything he has stagnated

Prospects -- MM in and out of the dog house -- needs to "play the right way" that is a gross misuse of a "prospect" The Room Jr™ is barely a PPG player in his draft + 1 year - so I am not buying that yet -- what has bonk done? Barkey? Our goaltending S% is below .890 and Kosolov is the 3rd string goalie

How many times has the medical staff listed a player day to day only to be out for weeks?

The players you claim that have developed are nothing more than bottom 6 forwards at the moment - TK was a close to a PPG play under av -- so no he has not developed of anything he has stagnated

Prospects -- MM in and out of the dog house -- needs to "play the right way" that is a gross misuse of a "prospect" The Room Jr™ is barely a PPG player in his draft + 1 year - so I am not buying that yet -- what has bonk done? Barkey? Our goaltending S% is below .890 and Kosolov is the 3rd string goalie

How many times has the medical staff listed a player day to day only to be out for weeks?
- corduroy

With the Hilf letter explaining ticket increase and Briere coming out they plan doing big things in the summer, it does appear the path to relevancy has been set. Sure looks like they plan on tanking the rest of the season to secure the highest draft pick possible. After that, round out the roster with trades and hope they have enough accumulated to build a contender. Homer's tenure was a similar strategy, would have been nice to draft Kane over JVR, history might have been different. So in 5 years we will have answers.
- Trox88

which puts the rebuild into year 17

which puts the rebuild into year 17
- corduroy

Depressingly true.

Cates on pace for 32 points. Less than his rookie year. Has he taken any huge steps?
Brink has been ok. Has he taken any huge steps?
Tyson has been ok. Has he taken any huge steps?

Hysterical giving Torst credit for developing TK.

MM isn't a prospect per say. Those others every other team has and more. None are studs by any means. Amazes me how you continue suck the Flyers crank at every turn.
- furio16

IMO Cates and Brink have taken significant steps this season. I didn't think either player were NHL payers coming into this season. Foerster is on place to do slightly better scoring wise from last year, but he is growing in other areas of his game that don't necessarily show up on the stat sheet. I would still like to see Foerster find space for his shot more. Torts has had a positive impact on several players on the Flyers currently, and its hysterical that you will not at least give Torts credit for this.

IMO Cates and Brink have taken significant steps this season. I didn't think either player were NHL payers coming into this season. Foerster is on place to do slightly better scoring wise from last year, but he is growing in other areas of his game that don't necessarily show up on the stat sheet. I would still like to see Foerster find space for his shot more. Torts has had a positive impact on several players on the Flyers currently, and its hysterical that you will not at least give Torts credit for this.
- jd250

SO a player who will not hit their career high in points is progressing? Forester has "played the right way" since he was called up -- that it the reason him not scoring was overlooked by torts and company - to say he is growing in other areas is disingenuous.

torts has done more harm than good - if he is so great why is the team in the exact same position YEAR AFTER YEAR?

It should be obvious. Fletcher left this team in bad shape both cap wise and player value. It takes time to make the right moves to evaluate players and move out the players you don't think will be part of the future. But then once the decision is made, you need to be patient and wait for the right deal to come along. Briere did a great job last season getting Provorov, Hayes and DeAngelo moved out, especially getting basically 2 1st and 2 2nd round picks for Provorov. He did a great job getting out from under Farabee's remaining contract. Moving on from Frost was long overdue, and as expected Briere swapped Frost for another young player that needed a change of scenery. I suspect Briere will trade Risto this deadline, where Risto's value is the highest. Think as we entered this season some were saying we needed to cover 50% of Risto's salary to move him. Now there is talk that teams will take his remaining contract in full and return a 1st round pick, most likely in 2026. I think Laughton will be moved finally also. With these moves the Flyers will have over $30M in cap space to play with this off season, plus 7 picks in the first 2 rounds of the draft. I can't imagine a rebuilding team being in a better spot.
- jd250

Ppl dont look at that as a positive, they say you have to full out tank, then cry the team losing.

Im ok with the way things are going, I have the feeling they really trying to turn over every stone in there prospect pool to see what the have and what they don't have.

I expect 2026 off season be the 1 that we turn the corner