I’ve seen all of this many times. Notice the word “ projected” in here many times.
- TurdFergeson

I’m pretty sure the word projected is only in there once as it relates to years 2 and 3. If anything, the cap ceilings and floors are expected to rise quicker than in the numbers set out. Because of the two year lag built into CBA coming out of the pandemic, cap growth has fallen behind revenue growth and owners will have to make up the difference in the same way that players had to pay back escrow when everything slowed down.

Bettman is reported to have told the Board that the increases will likely be higher in the outer years. Lebrun set this all out in a piece in the Athletic.

now lets look at Mitch vs Leon playoffs

1.45 points per game vs .87

not even in the same universe, one produces at the same pace, one shrinks.

give me LD 100x over not even a little close

I was wondering what to get AA for his Bday.
- Fakepartofme

hey, I got one of those just today

wouldn't mind one of those actually - just hold the Marner one

Kayne west openly declared admiration for Adolf Hitler, doubled down on racist rhetoric, and even accused billionaire Elon Musk of "stealing his Nazi swag."

hey the not notzi is being accused of stealing notzi swag from konyay

elno going to have to up his not notzi game to outdo konyay

Mitch is an incredible penalty killer. McMann scored the only PP goal last night because Mitch was on the bench.

yes Draisaitl 5v5 looks much better
18g-25a to 7-27

even if you count first assists, 17-16 for LD

he is a much better player, and shouldn't be similar value

your MM goggles blind you every time..cant see clear out of them
- senstroll

You’re making poop up.

If Mitch played with McDavid he’d have the same numbers at Draisaitl, and remain a far better defensive player.

You’re making poop up.

If Mitch played with McDavid he’d have the same numbers at Draisaitl, and remain a far better defensive player.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Mitch plays with a 2 time 60 goal scorer. jeez, its not like hes Bedard in chicago

now lets look at Mitch vs Leon playoffs

1.45 points per game vs .87

not even in the same universe, one produces at the same pace, one shrinks.

give me LD 100x over not even a little close
- senstroll

In games where McDavid doesn't play, Leon Draisaitl has 22 goals and 42 assists in 60 games.

In games where Matthews doesn't play, Mitch Marner has 26 goals and 60 assists in 69 games.

I think Draisaitl is an elite talent in the league, but ignoring how good Marner is when he is asked to be the man on this team is too dismissive.

We'll see what his next contract is but there have been times in his career where he is simply otherworldly - like over a 40 game period in 2022 (Jan 15 - Apr 16), he was pacing to a 148 point season. Does that 40 game period, for instance, lead you to a $14m contract?

Honestly I don't know but I do know that pacing to 120 points over 37 games landed Nylander $11.5m when the cap was notably less than it is now.

I'm gonna start drinking Canadian whiskey.

What is a good one that is commonly available in the states? (tariffs be damned)

Please don't say Canadian Mist. 😆

I'm gonna start drinking Canadian whiskey.

What is a good one that is commonly available in the states? (tariffs be damned)

Please don't say Canadian Mist. 😆
- GalacticStone

Crown Royal

40 Creek

Also when it's Canadian whisky you drop the 'e', as with Scotch or Japanese. Whiskey is American or Irish.

In games where McDavid doesn't play, Leon Draisaitl has 22 goals and 42 assists in 60 games.

In games where Matthews doesn't play, Mitch Marner has 26 goals and 60 assists in 69 games.

I think Draisaitl is an elite talent in the league, but ignoring how good Marner is when he is asked to be the man on this team is too dismissive.

We'll see what his next contract is but there have been times in his career where he is simply otherworldly - like over a 40 game period in 2022 (Jan 15 - Apr 16), he was pacing to a 148 point season. Does that 40 game period, for instance, lead you to a $14m contract?

Honestly I don't know but I do know that pacing to 120 points over 37 games landed Nylander $11.5m when the cap was notably less than it is now.
- Monkeypunk

im not sure what cherry picking smaller game samples does. I never said he wasnt a good player.

but the original point is that the Leafs will end up paying the same or more for MM who in every statistical category that anyone looks at for player values, LD is better.

again, point is the leaf always have to pay the premiums

just adding , there are lots of ways to value a player, but LD ranks at the top 5 of most lists. Marner is a few notches below

@domluszczyszyn
Net Rating Top 5

1. Leon Draisaitl, +16.8
2. Quinn Hughes, +14.4
3. Cale Makar, +13.4
4. Connor McDavid, +13.3
5. Nathan MacKinnon, +13.1

I'm gonna start drinking Canadian whiskey.

What is a good one that is commonly available in the states? (tariffs be damned)

Please don't say Canadian Mist. 😆
- GalacticStone

Caribou crossing
Wisers 15yr+
Alberta Premium Cask Strength

In games where McDavid doesn't play, Leon Draisaitl has 22 goals and 42 assists in 60 games.

In games where Matthews doesn't play, Mitch Marner has 26 goals and 60 assists in 69 games.

I think Draisaitl is an elite talent in the league, but ignoring how good Marner is when he is asked to be the man on this team is too dismissive.

We'll see what his next contract is but there have been times in his career where he is simply otherworldly - like over a 40 game period in 2022 (Jan 15 - Apr 16), he was pacing to a 148 point season. Does that 40 game period, for instance, lead you to a $14m contract?

Honestly I don't know but I do know that pacing to 120 points over 37 games landed Nylander $11.5m when the cap was notably less than it is now.
- Monkeypunk

When LD plays without Mc Jesus who else does he have to help him or for him to help?

When Matthews doesn't play who does MM have to help him or for him to help?

I mean LD has Hyam? RNH and what Connor Brown?

MM has Willy, JT, Knies, McMann

Just feels to me like one of these 2 has a much stronger supporting cast if you will when the main 'big gun' is out of the line up.

I'm gonna start drinking Canadian whiskey.

What is a good one that is commonly available in the states? (tariffs be damned)

Please don't say Canadian Mist. 😆
- GalacticStone

my goto

I'm gonna start drinking Canadian whiskey.

What is a good one that is commonly available in the states? (tariffs be damned)

Please don't say Canadian Mist. 😆
- GalacticStone

lot 40

Crown Royal
Lot 40
Caribou Crossing
Wisers 15yr
Alberta Prem Cask Strength
40 Creek

Ok, that's a good start. There's a liquor store here with a good international selection of whiskies. They might have some of these.

I drank a lot of Crown Royal in my 20s.

I'm bored with America's bullpoop and I'm gonna drink Canadian just because Canada has been a great neighbor and this is my little way of voting with my wallet.

At least it’s not politics - but my god man! Marner vs Draistle?!

Really? It’s not close. Marner is a fabulous offensive talent, one of the best passers in the game, and an unreal PK player. But better than Leon? Marner isn’t even the best winger in the league let alone more valuable than a centre that’s in the top 5 players on the planet.

Ultimately, the most telling stat line is the playoffs. Leon plays big - Mitch tries to avoid confrontation.

Hedman feeding stretch passes to Willy Styles at the 4 Nations will be sweet though.

At least it’s not politics - but my god man! Marner vs Draistle?!

Really? It’s not close. Marner is a fabulous offensive talent, one of the best passers in the game, and an unreal PK player. But better than Leon? Marner isn’t even the best winger in the league let alone more valuable than a centre that’s in the top 5 players on the planet.

Ultimately, the most telling stat line is the playoffs. Leon plays big - Mitch tries to avoid confrontation.
- Big23Questions

They’re tied in Stanley Cup rings.

They’re tied in Stanley Cup rings.
- shack67

So were Sundin and Wellwood - comparable talent?

Or McDavid and Nick Robertson.

All tied Cup rings. The point was how they impact their teams come playoff time. Not tied.

Hedman feeding stretch passes to Willy Styles at the 4 Nations will be sweet though.
- GalacticStone

Erik Karlsson is no slouch either. I actually think that Canada has the weakest D of the 4 teams.

So we’re Sundin and Wellwood - comparable talent?

Or McDavid and Nick Robertson.

All tied Cup rings. The point was how they impact their teams come playoff time. Not tied.
- Big23Questions

Calm down bud.

I'm gonna start drinking Canadian whiskey.

What is a good one that is commonly available in the states? (tariffs be damned)

Please don't say Canadian Mist. 😆
- GalacticStone

Drink Scotch or Irish whiskey. Canadian (rye) whiskey is poope.

Erik Karlsson is no slouch either. I actually think that Canada has the weakest D of the 4 teams.
- shack67

Karlsson and Hedman together in their primes would have been epic.

Drink Scotch or Irish whiskey. Canadian (rye) whiskey is poope.
- fifty__missions

I went through a Bushmills phase in my late 20s. I could revisit that, but it reminds me of an old friend that passed a long time ago, so I have mixed feelings about it.