I really, really want to believe you will be wrong, but I have to agree with you, sigh.
- Trox88

I'm terrified he will be the next Kevin Hayes. Hayes flat out admitted that the only reason he came here was because the Flyers overpaid. And as was said, Bennett has a career high of 49 points(28 goals), and has only broken 20 goals twice. Granted, it's a pretty sure thing he will crack 20 for a third time this season.

I'm terrified he will be the next Kevin Hayes. Hayes flat out admitted that the only reason he came here was because the Flyers overpaid. And as was said, Bennett has a career high of 49 points(28 goals), and has only broken 20 goals twice. Granted, it's a pretty sure thing he will crack 20 for a third time this season.
- MBFlyerfan

Flyers value the try hard players over skill. Until that philosophy changes don't expect any cup contention for a long long time.

They cant attract high end guys so they will need to overpay for the next tier or 2 down. It will be par for the course. He has never broke 50 points.

If he is smart he takes less to stay. Obviously depends how much Florida offers and what a desperate team like the Flyers offer. If he is all about the money then he is likely gone.
- Striiker

It would be ironic if the Flyers do sign Bennett in the summer with that point production after trading away a similar center in point production (different style of play of course) in Frost who is younger and would be cheaper. Also, seem to already have a similar on the roster to Bennett who Briere seems intent on re signing in Cates. I like Cates, but his production has fallen off and it is safe to assume at best he will be a 3C. Bennett will be 29 in the summer, pretty much a 3C now on a Cup contender.

What center though could York bring back? It’s easy to say trade York for a center but he is an undersized left handed defenseman who leans more on the defensive side of the game than the offensive side. Not the type of player that is in demand around the league.
- psuhockey

I see York as a piece in a deal not a one for one. I mean I would look at Seattle. Can you pry Shane Wright away with a deal including York.

If Buffalo moved any defenseman could they like York if you tried to get Cozens?

I would be trying to pry someone who fits the right age for this team and maybe hasn't exploded yet. Maybe it's someone else but i would try to be creative and aggressive to find the right fit

The Flyers have serious trouble recognizing high end offensive defensemen. Even without the coaching not sure he would have been a PP contributor. It’s the one position they will have to luck into in the draft. I think they can cobble together everything else.
- psuhockey

These are all good points. Maybe York could be good offensively with different coaching but what would it matter if the team had continued to bleed goals the way they did in 2021-2023 ? (rough estimate, this had been an issue a long time with coaches prior to Torts). As other have said here, the team lacks talent, this is what it looks like trying to get around it. They have to pick a poison. The one that was chosen was to play more defensively or else get blown out nearly every game. I remember those days and they were not fun. Although it is less scoring, and a bit stifling for the offense, I like closer games better. Besides, scoring off the rush on forced turnovers is more fun to watch than those other teams we had.

I see York as a piece in a deal not a one for one. I mean I would look at Seattle. Can you pry Shane Wright away with a deal including York.

If Buffalo moved any defenseman could they like York if you tried to get Cozens?

I would be trying to pry someone who fits the right age for this team and maybe hasn't exploded yet. Maybe it's someone else but i would try to be creative and aggressive to find the right fit
- J35Bacher

What is the right age for this team? I do not think the Flyers even know.

It would be ironic if the Flyers do sign Bennett in the summer with that point production after trading away a similar center in point production (different style of play of course) in Frost who is younger and would be cheaper. Also, seem to already have a similar on the roster to Bennett who Briere seems intent on re signing in Cates. I like Cates, but his production has fallen off and it is safe to assume at best he will be a 3C. Bennett will be 29 in the summer, pretty much a 3C now on a Cup contender.
- Trox88

Honestly, if they want that type of player I would go after Trent Fredrick who maybe you can get on a cheaper deal and maybe short term so he can go back into free agency after the year.

Problem though is you have guys like Hathaway and Peohling and if you don't move laughton and delsuairer all still on contracts.

Honestly, if they want that type of player I would go after Trent Fredrick who maybe you can get on a cheaper deal and maybe short term so he can go back into free agency after the year.

Problem though is you have guys like Hathaway and Peohling and if you don't move laughton and delsuairer all still on contracts.
- J35Bacher

Sam has name recognition. Cup winner. All the intangibles the Flyers desire.

I see York as a piece in a deal not a one for one. I mean I would look at Seattle. Can you pry Shane Wright away with a deal including York.

If Buffalo moved any defenseman could they like York if you tried to get Cozens?

I would be trying to pry someone who fits the right age for this team and maybe hasn't exploded yet. Maybe it's someone else but i would try to be creative and aggressive to find the right fit
- J35Bacher

I would be more interested in Power out of Buffalo than Cozens. I think it would be better to go after a high upside defenseman than center. The only centers a team would be willing to give up would be a Tippett like reclamation project and I think the draft would be a better option than that.

I think the Flyers could fix their center problem in this draft depending on where they fall and how they use their draft picks.

6 games to go until the trade deadline. Really want to see Laughton and Risto moved well in advance of the deadline. No interest in risking injury. Objective for the rest of the season is to secure a top 5 pick. Time to get things done.

I would be more interested in Power out of Buffalo than Cozens. I think it would be better to go after a high upside defenseman than center. The only centers a team would be willing to give up would be a Tippett like reclamation project and I think the draft would be a better option than that.

I think the Flyers could fix their center problem in this draft depending on where they fall and how they use their draft picks.
- psuhockey

If they draft in the usual area those players are years away. If they pan out.

There really is no solution in site to address the center position. As you said teams will not give up those types. Free agency won't get you that type.

Sam has name recognition. Cup winner. All the intangibles the Flyers desire.
- Striiker

How does he rank culture wise? Will he fit into the room with The Room™? What if The Room™ is not there can he handle the responsibility of the room, without The Room™ there? How will he mentor The Room Jr™?

Most importantly does he understand the the flyers are the gold standard of the NHL and things must be done in a gold standard way?

It would be ironic if the Flyers do sign Bennett in the summer with that point production after trading away a similar center in point production (different style of play of course) in Frost who is younger and would be cheaper. Also, seem to already have a similar on the roster to Bennett who Briere seems intent on re signing in Cates. I like Cates, but his production has fallen off and it is safe to assume at best he will be a 3C. Bennett will be 29 in the summer, pretty much a 3C now on a Cup contender.
- Trox88

total flyer thing to do

If they draft in the usual area those players are years away. If they pan out.

There really is no solution in site to address the center position. As you said teams will not give up those types. Free agency won't get you that type.
- Striiker

Why does years away matter? If they are going to pull this off, Bjarnason or Zavragin will have to hit and they are likely 3 years away. They will absolutely sign Cates and I doubt they are ready to move Couturier to the 4th line yet permanently. Add Luchanko next season and they have stop gaps until the drafted centers are ready.

If you mean the Flyers won’t want to wait years than that is a different discussion.

Why does years away matter? If they are going to pull this off, Bjarnason or Zavragin will have to hit and they are likely 3 years away. They will absolutely sign Cates and I doubt they are ready to move Couturier to the 4th line yet permanently. Add Luchanko next season and they have stop gaps until the drafted centers are ready.

If you mean the Flyers won’t want to wait years than that is a different discussion.
- psuhockey

It matters because whoever they draft this year, outside the top 5, are years away from any significant contribution. Couturier should be moved to the wing. Adding Luchenko doesn't really address anything as he is also years away. They have noting close to elite at the center spot in the system. You cant wait years hoping they pan out.

At what point then does MM get frustrated?

Define hit in terms of those goalies. What are we talking here?

Fully expect Alex Bump to turn pro at the end of his season. Pretty sure the Flyers will burn the first year of his ELC this season. Get a couple of games in the NHL, then off to the AHL playoffs. A LW with some size and skill is needed in this organization. Curious how he develops.

Fully expect Alex Bump to turn pro at the end of his season. Pretty sure the Flyers will burn the first year of his ELC this season. Get a couple of games in the NHL, then off to the AHL playoffs. A LW with some size and skill is needed in this organization. Curious how he develops.
- Trox88

Rather he stay in college to develop. Will be funny if they do burn his first year.

I would be more interested in Power out of Buffalo than Cozens. I think it would be better to go after a high upside defenseman than center. The only centers a team would be willing to give up would be a Tippett like reclamation project and I think the draft would be a better option than that.

I think the Flyers could fix their center problem in this draft depending on where they fall and how they use their draft picks.
- psuhockey

Flyers need to get into top 5 of this draft. I really think Hagens could have a drop like Wright. Right now I see the top 3 as Schaeffer, Misa and Martone. After that I think it could be any of Hagens, McQueen, Frondell, Eklund, Desnoyers or Jackson Smith depending on the team.

It matters because whoever they draft this year, outside the top 5, are years away from any significant contribution. Couturier should be moved to the wing. Adding Luchenko doesn't really address anything as he is also years away. They have noting close to elite at the center spot in the system. You cant wait years hoping they pan out.

At what point then does MM get frustrated?

Define hit in terms of those goalies. What are we talking here?
- Striiker

Hit as in becomes an actual #1 goalie. Ersson is a tandem goalie at best.

What exactly would you like the Flyers to do; rebuild or retool? Rebuilding through the draft outside of getting a generational talent is going to take time and outside of maybe Misa I don’t think anyone from this draft will be playing in the NHL next year.

Rather he stay in college to develop. Will be funny if they do burn his first year.
- Striiker

especially after the cutter scenario

Rather he stay in college to develop. Will be funny if they do burn his first year.
- Striiker

Bump is a Hoby Baker Finalist, I believe. I really doubt he is interested in staying in college for another year. Burning a year off the ELC for a good prospect is pretty much standard practice. Also, Cole Knuble is a finalist.

Hit as in becomes an actual #1 goalie. Ersson is a tandem goalie at best.

What exactly would you like the Flyers to do; rebuild or retool? Rebuilding through the draft outside of getting a generational talent is going to take time and outside of maybe Misa I don’t think anyone from this draft will be playing in the NHL next year.
- psuhockey

Agree with the Sam take. Right now don't see either goalie panning out to be a clear #1. That could change in time. Will need to see what Carson does in the AHL. Yegor has Kolosov type numbers in is first year in the KHL after hot start.

The thing is the Flyers are really doing neither so it wont matter. They refuse to alter course from what is clearly a failing plan.

Bump is a Hoby Baker Finalist, I believe. I really doubt he is interested in staying in college for another year. Burning a year off the ELC for a good prospect is pretty much standard practice.
- Trox88

I get that part in his end. Just wishful thinking. Wonder what Knuble does in terms will he want to turn pro? He has had an outstanding year.

Yes standard practice except one example I can think of.

Bump is a Hoby Baker Finalist, I believe. I really doubt he is interested in staying in college for another year. Burning a year off the ELC for a good prospect is pretty much standard practice. Also, Cole Knuble is a finalist.
- Trox88

Does not seem to be in Philadlephia

Bump is a Hoby Baker Finalist, I believe. I really doubt he is interested in staying in college for another year. Burning a year off the ELC for a good prospect is pretty much standard practice. Also, Cole Knuble is a finalist.
- Trox88

So was Brink -- his offense has not really translated to the NHL