Yeah, it's not looking great, I don't expect anything to massively move the needle. Sure, we can plug some holes and improve the team, make them harder to play against in the playoffs, but there are likely no grand slams left out there.

You have to think there will be at least one move, otherwise why waive Reaves?
- Whipper

I have a feeling it was just as a preparation step, not something planned. I have to say, if thats all thats out there, id just pass. Just an utter waste of assets to barely if at all move the needle.

Feels like those moves would just be a trade just for the sake of making a trade. I do like Laughton, but not at the expense of a first and a top prospect.

TSN has Walman to the Oilers listed as a major trade. Does that actually qualify?!?!
- Whipper

If you're an Oiler fan I guess. They traded a 1st didn't they?

We're likely getting a swinging bunt single.
- Whipper

Oh I agree, some of them worked out for sure. But most were for rentals that didnt work out or didnt stay.
I said a lot of tampa's 1st were moved post cups. Im not saying they didnt trade a 1st or two prior and Im not saying not to trade first either. Of course move out picks if you are close or have won. Leafs havent been close and they have traded a lot of first already and do not have a 1st this year...so that limits them right now. They need to be frugal is all im suggesting
- Fakepartofme

I respect your opinion but I disagree.

Dallas keeps selling picks and assets and they remain competitive. Vegas does the same with whatever voodoo they have.

Tampa sold first round picks to try to go for it before winning. For a thirty point player! You'd be up in arms if the leafs traded a 1st round pick for a 3rd line center until it won them the cup.

You can't win before spending assets imo. Every team has shown it. Florida did it. Vegas does it constantly.

We can luck out like the Avs and bottom out with our core players and draft a Makar with a top end core though!

Walman is a really good dman imo and one that was unexpected. I think its a big trade for them.....or the leafs had they made it.
- Fakepartofme

We really do need more offense from our back end. And he's a big dude.

We really do need more offense from our back end. And he's a big dude.
- Whipper

Exactly, is he a good add for them. The issue is the Leafs have too many LHD and while he provides what we need, he would be on the off side. If not, would have been a good target for the Leafs.

I doubt its doable, but id try to go all in for Bowen Byram.

Run It Back Part 22 Electric Boogaloo.

Is anyone moved by these insane political attack ads?

The one making Carney looking like the devil is especially lame.

thats backards thinking imo... since you have all 4 signed right now, its time to get them the help to win now.

2 of those forwards may not be here next season.

they have lots of assets to make moves. and they can pivot back to trading players for picks whenever they want.

the future doesnt matter right now, its extremly difficult to build a contender and win.. why half ass it and worry about a 26th overall pick who will play games in 2031
- senstroll

Its not backwards....yes they are all signed, but having all 4 signed and making lots of trades at a lot of deadlines in the past havent resulted in any success so far. How many times are we going to do the same thing? Prices are crazy high right now.
Get a 4/5 Dman and depth center and see how the superstars play this year in the playoffs. If they show they can win a couple of rounds....then it makes it easier to go all in. IMO, they dont deserve for the team to go all in.
Besides, how many teams in the past have made big splashes at the deadline and won a cup? Not many. Most fill in gaps or get that one top 3/4 D or 2nd line player.

Anywho, we'll see. Make a splash, cool. Dont make a splash, cool.
If our "superstar" center and winger dont step up in the playoffs it wont matter what takes place today.

Is anyone moved by these insane political attack ads?

The one making Carney looking like the devil is especially lame.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Ugh, (frank) political talk...dont activate the fascists.

But yes..

But they moved out alot of those 1st after they won cups. Its easy to make moves like that when you've already been to the finals 3 times and won twice. Tre isnt going to sell the farm on a team of "superstars" that have only made it past the first round once.... and he shouldnt.
The leafs have had half their cap tied to 4 forwards....its hindered their success in the playoffs.
No the cupboards dont have plenty of options to make moves...unless you mortgage the future.
IMO, win first...then mortgage the future to win a 2nd/3rd time...dont mortgage it on a team that has won one 2nd round game in 8 years.
- Fakepartofme

Florida hadn't won squat and the cupboards were bare. Vegas hasn't exactly been draft heavy either.

They've locked up a defence core full of NMC's and they're all going to be mid 30's in no time. If now is not the time to swing, when is?

Is anyone moved by these insane political attack ads?

The one making Carney looking like the devil is especially lame.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

attack ads work on a particular cohort of people that I don't belong to

Florida hadn't won squat and the cupboards were bare. Vegas hasn't exactly been draft heavy either.

They've locked up a defence core full of NMC's and they're all going to be mid 30's in no time. If now is not the time to swing, when is?
- joel878

Add Tampa to this

Winning teams care about winning not a "lottery of luck"

Is anyone moved by these insane political attack ads?

The one making Carney looking like the devil is especially lame.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

Carney is JT 2.0

Florida hadn't won squat and the cupboards were bare. Vegas hasn't exactly been draft heavy either.

They've locked up a defence core full of NMC's and they're all going to be mid 30's in no time. If now is not the time to swing, when is?
- joel878

I would want the Leafs to go all in on players that actually move the needle. None of the rumored available players move the needle at all (minus Rantanen). Im not trading Cowan/Minten/Danford for Scott Laughton. Minten will be a better 3rd line C next year.

Its not backwards....yes they are all signed, but having all 4 signed and making lots of trades at a lot of deadlines in the past havent resulted in any success so far. How many times are we going to do the same thing? Prices are crazy high right now.
Get a 4/5 Dman and depth center and see how the superstars play this year in the playoffs. If they show they can win a couple of rounds....then it makes it easier to go all in. IMO, they dont deserve for the team to go all in.
Besides, how many teams in the past have made big splashes at the deadline and won a cup? Not many. Most fill in gaps or get that one top 3/4 D or 2nd line player.

Anywho, we'll see. Make a splash, cool. Dont make a splash, cool.
If our "superstar" center and winger dont step up in the playoffs it wont matter what takes place today.
- Fakepartofme

this team cant win as is. the D is too thin after the top 4.. and when injuries happen. the fill ins are not NHL D (playoff D)

the only time they made it past the 1st round was when they added a good 3C and t solid D.

need to do the same again

Carney is JT 2.0
- TurdFergeson

Heartless kombucha drinking choker who can't lead his team out of the...oh, oh, J.T!?...IC

Its not backwards....yes they are all signed, but having all 4 signed and making lots of trades at a lot of deadlines in the past havent resulted in any success so far. How many times are we going to do the same thing? Prices are crazy high right now.
Get a 4/5 Dman and depth center and see how the superstars play this year in the playoffs. If they show they can win a couple of rounds....then it makes it easier to go all in. IMO, they dont deserve for the team to go all in.
Besides, how many teams in the past have made big splashes at the deadline and won a cup? Not many. Most fill in gaps or get that one top 3/4 D or 2nd line player.

Anywho, we'll see. Make a splash, cool. Dont make a splash, cool.
If our "superstar" center and winger dont step up in the playoffs it wont matter what takes place today.
- Fakepartofme

You’ve reverted back to your all negative all the time shtick.

I respect your opinion but I disagree.

Dallas keeps selling picks and assets and they remain competitive. Vegas does the same with whatever voodoo they have.

Tampa sold first round picks to try to go for it before winning. For a thirty point player! You'd be up in arms if the leafs traded a 1st round pick for a 3rd line center until it won them the cup.

You can't win before spending assets imo. Every team has shown it. Florida did it. Vegas does it constantly.

We can luck out like the Avs and bottom out with our core players and draft a Makar with a top end core though!
- Aaron_85

All of have them had deep playoff runs.
And again, Im not saying dont spend assets....we have spent assets...a lot. But you have to be smart about and you cant do it every year if you have no results to show or justify it.
Vegas went to final their first and then started making big moves...won a cup. Dallas has won 2 or 3 rounds in multiple years...so of course keep pushing.
Florida made a huge change in personnel and went to a final...so of course keep pushing.
Tampa prior to winning the cup won 2 - 3 rounds three of the previous 4 years - miss playoffs one year
The leafs, have won 1 round in 8 years.....a big 2 extra games - 1 in the 2nd round.

Anywho, we'll see. Go all in or dont....if the stars dont show up when it counts, what Tre does today wont matter either way.

Heartless kombucha drinking choker who can't lead his team out of the...oh, oh, J.T!?...IC
- AdamFrench

I think he meant 2022 PGA Championship winner JT

this team cant win as is. the D is too thin after the top 4.. and when injuries happen. the fill ins are not NHL D (playoff D)

the only time they made it past the 1st round was when they added a good 3C and t solid D.

need to do the same again
- senstroll

Okay, who you getting?

Its not backwards....yes they are all signed, but having all 4 signed and making lots of trades at a lot of deadlinesin the past havent resulted in any success so far. How many times are we going to do the same thing? Prices are crazy high right now.
Get a 4/5 Dman and depth center and see how the superstars play this year in the playoffs. If they show they can win a couple of rounds....then it makes it easier to go all in. IMO, they dont deserve for the team to go all in.
Besides, how many teams in the past have made big splashes at the deadline and won a cup? Not many. Most fill in gaps or get that one top 3/4 D or 2nd line player.

Anywho, we'll see. Make a splash, cool. Dont make a splash, cool.
If our "superstar" center and winger dont step up in the playoffs it wont matter what takes place today.
- Fakepartofme

Tbh other than 2023 the leafs have done sweet Richard all at the deadline the last few years

https://thehockeywriters....aple-leafs-trade-history/

Sportsnet brought on Cosentino, so that's going on mute

Ugh, (frank) political talk...dont activate the fascists.

But yes..
- Fakepartofme

Florida hadn't won squat and the cupboards were bare. Vegas hasn't exactly been draft heavy either.

They've locked up a defence core full of NMC's and they're all going to be mid 30's in no time. If now is not the time to swing, when is?
- joel878

Is / was Florida the exception or the norm?

They lost in round 2, then the next year lost in the final and then won the cup.

This Leaf core has not shown progression in their playoff success and me personally I'd like to wait and see how they do this year before selling the farm / going all in.

I get what the players want, but they have to prove (at least to me) that what they want is what is missing to get to the level of success that we all want to see.

What they have done so far as a core doesn't really say that at all. Plus as you noted they have made some good changes and additions and many are saying this is the best built team this core has been a part of so for me it's time for the core to show they are able to take the next step(s) and just need some finishing pieces.

Maybe it's my Leaf playoff PTSD talking but I don't feel like they have shown that yet but I'm eternally hopeful they do & would be elated if it was this year.

I'll happily eat crow if they go deep this year and are a move or 2 away from a cup final or cup championship that they could have got at this TDL.