Yet everyone would be here with Pitchforks if they picked MM and he either stayed in Russia or didnt want to play here. Just like they were with Hextall and Nolan Patrick. Nolan Patrick was a No Brainer too.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

1) mm was the exact risk you take. You don’t EVER pass that opportunity up.
2) which leads to why nopa was NOT a no brainer. Nopa was projected as an almost certain good 2 way center. Possibly a good 1c. The “no brainer” pick was to swing for the fences. They moved up from what 13th to 2? You swing with that not take nopa. Petterson had “home run” potential predraft. Miro was also home run ranked dman. Makar I don’t believe was home run potential at time that I remember but the point is sometimes you need to swing big which the fanbase would never criticize for. Not saying all the time but nopa draft was as clear of a draft to swing big as taking mm.

Boldy and then passes on Caufield. 2 30 goal scorers. What good is trading down and then back up if either player is not as good as the guy you passed on? Is Luchanko+Gill better than just Buium? Hell, he could've stood pat got Buium and then traded back up for Luchanko if he was that high on the player. Of all the moves Briere has made, this one being talked about as a positive is absolutely wild.
- TobyFlenderson

Needed scoring winger…. Loses out on boldy. Trades down and passes 2 times on caulfield… takes dman they possibly could trade now and add a bottom 6 winger (brink) seems legit sign of a above f graded gm

Made a great move traded the 24 Florida 1st for the Oilers 1st this year without getting anything else back. Amateur hour.

Do not recall in any sport seeing a current 1st traded for a future 1st with no other pic/player coming back.
- Striiker

Florida's pick was basically a second pick. Edmonton's depending on where they end will be a late first round pick as well. You brought up a nothing burger

Coming up on the 3rd off season for the New Era Of Orange.

They still do not have a #1 center, a #1 defenseman, or a #1 Goalie. Just need to be patient Flyers fans.

Florida's pick was basically a second pick. Edmonton's depending on where they end will be a late first round pick as well. You brought up a nothing burger
- WhiskeyMan

Florida's pick was a 1st rd pick. That is 100% fact.

What I illustrated is the GM doesn't have common business sense. Can you give me an example of where a team gave up a current 1st for a future 1st with nothing else coming back.

Yet everyone would be here with Pitchforks if they picked MM and he either stayed in Russia or didnt want to play here. Just like they were with Hextall and Nolan Patrick. Nolan Patrick was a No Brainer too.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Talk about a rhetorical response:

You are 100% wrong.... go back to the board after the draft. Most fans were elated even tho the geopolitical situation was not a guarantee. Most agreed the Flyers needed to take a swing even if he was not coming over right away or at all.

100% wrong.... go back to the board after the draft. Most fans were elated even tho the geopolitical situation was not a guarantee. Most agreed the Flyers needed to take a swing even if he was not coming over right away.
- Flyfly

Exactly. Because you don’t ever pass that shot up

Look at San Jose. The are rebuilding but being aggressive about it and smart. They made the tough moves to trade Hertl and Meier.


Now they are building a foundation around Celebrini, SMith, Richardinson and have some other young players coming.

Got their franchise goalie.

And if they get the number one pick this year could get another foundation piece in Schaeffer, Misa, Martone or Hagens.

I am envious of them right now and what Grier is doing.

Exactly. Because you don’t ever pass that shot up
- Stayin alive

exactly!

it's like passing up a potential #1 dman in Zeev that fell in their laps and then taking Jett. They are their own worst enemy.

We still don't have anything close to a 1C, a 1D or a goaltender. Maybe we have a goalie of the future down the line w/ the prospects but we certainly don't have ANYTHING remotely close to a 1c or 1d.

3 freaking years and still not even one of them!

Talk about a rhetorical response:

You are 100% wrong.... go back to the board after the draft. Most fans were elated even tho the geopolitical situation was not a guarantee. Most agreed the Flyers needed to take a swing even if he was not coming over right away or at all.
- Flyfly

I distinctly remember one certain poster going on and on about how it was an awful pick and he was never coming over and that they should've picked Leonard. This poster also indicated prior to the draft that Michkov was going to fall all the way out of the first round.

Look at San Jose. The are rebuilding but being aggressive about it and smart. They made the tough moves to trade Hertl and Meier.


Now they are building a foundation around Celebrini, SMith, Richardinson and have some other young players coming.

Got their franchise goalie.

And if they get the number one pick this year could get another foundation piece in Schaeffer, Misa, Martone or Hagens.

I am envious of them right now and what Grier is doing.
- J35Bacher

They are crushing it on all fronts. Also holding out Luke Kunin tonight for trade purposes. Luke (frank)ing Kunin, and Laughton is (by all indications) in the lineup.

Look at San Jose. The are rebuilding but being aggressive about it and smart. They made the tough moves to trade Hertl and Meier.


Now they are building a foundation around Celebrini, SMith, Richardinson and have some other young players coming.

Got their franchise goalie.

And if they get the number one pick this year could get another foundation piece in Schaeffer, Misa, Martone or Hagens.

I am envious of them right now and what Grier is doing.
- J35Bacher

Could not agree more. They have a heck of a foundation and elite talent. We have MM and a bunch of middle 6ers, garbage goaltending and no 1d after 3 years.

I hope they have a real plan as a fan. I loved this team forever but if you are sitting here thinking they are on the way to contention... well, youre a fool. LOL!

They are crushing it on all fronts. Also holding out Luke Kunin tonight for trade purposes. Luke (frank)ing Kunin, and Laughton is (by all indications) in the lineup.
- TobyFlenderson

I heard Luke doesn't bring the Culture.

I distinctly remember one certain poster going on and on about how it was an awful pick and he was never coming over and that they should've picked Leonard. This poster also indicated prior to the draft that Michkov was going to fall all the way out of the first round.
- TobyFlenderson

Oh, I remember as well!

They are crushing it on all fronts. Also holding out Luke Kunin tonight for trade purposes. Luke (frank)ing Kunin, and Laughton is (by all indications) in the lineup.
- TobyFlenderson

You know what might create some leverage. Hold Laughton out. Make it seam like someone offered something worth considering. Does it work. I don't know but I think it would at least peak some GM's if they were interested.

If they come out of this without moving Laughton then they will look incompetent. Just like when JVR wasn't moved.

Ristolianen I can say might be tougher, but a smart GM can get it done especially with lots of teams having injuries right now.

exactly!

it's like passing up a potential #1 dman in Zeev that fell in their laps and then taking Jett. They are their own worst enemy.

We still don't have anything close to a 1C, a 1D or a goaltender. Maybe we have a goalie of the future down the line w/ the prospects but we certainly don't have ANYTHING remotely close to a 1c or 1d.

3 freaking years and still not even one of them!
- Flyfly

But… but… but…. Zeev dropped. There must be a reason….

I distinctly remember one certain poster going on and on about how it was an awful pick and he was never coming over and that they should've picked Leonard. This poster also indicated prior to the draft that Michkov was going to fall all the way out of the first round.
- TobyFlenderson

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You know what might create some leverage. Hold Laughton out. Make it seam like someone offered something worth considering. Does it work. I don't know but I think it would at least peak some GM's if they were interested.

If they come out of this without moving Laughton then they will look incompetent. Just like when JVR wasn't moved.

Ristolianen I can say might be tougher, but a smart GM can get it done especially with lots of teams having injuries right now.
- J35Bacher

Keeping Laughts in the lineup shows willingness to keep him to help drive up current offers. Sitting him shows weakness. Playing devils advocate here. Hope he's dealt, but doubt he actually is.

But… but… but…. Zeev dropped. There must be a reason….
- Stayin alive

And NoPa was better than Makar right?... better than Heiskanen, better that Pettersson, better than Tippet.... better than Necas...

GMs get poop wrong all the time. Ours do it on a regular basis unfortunately.

You know what might create some leverage. Hold Laughton out. Make it seam like someone offered something worth considering. Does it work. I don't know but I think it would at least peak some GM's if they were interested.

If they come out of this without moving Laughton then they will look incompetent. Just like when JVR wasn't moved.

Ristolianen I can say might be tougher, but a smart GM can get it done especially with lots of teams having injuries right now.
- J35Bacher

Exactly. At least holding him out would indicate there is movement. And if you don't move him (kill me) what's the harm in missing 1 game?

I'd be shocked if they move Risto at this deadline. But very much pleased. I've been dying to be rid of that contract since the ink was wet.

They are crushing it on all fronts. Also holding out Luke Kunin tonight for trade purposes. Luke (frank)ing Kunin, and Laughton is (by all indications) in the lineup.
- TobyFlenderson

You don’t bench the locker room guy. EVER

But… but… but…. Zeev dropped. There must be a reason….
- Stayin alive

His agent! Or my personal favorite: 'We have Andrae (not even in the NHL), York and Drysdale, do we need another smallish defenseman?'

Let’s look at these individually…
Nails provy? What exactly did they do no one else would in those circumstances?

Trades walker? They did everything they could to resign him. Only traded when forced. No credit given sorry

Lands mm? You’re joking right? No credit there whatsoever. I mean brain dead decision there. And getting him over here? Was there any doubt he was coming? Again no credit for that


Stacks team with all these picks? Who cares. None are top picks. Do you actually think they will or have ability to flip those picks for high end picks or talent? They don’t. So they will add a stable of players basically equivalent to what they have now. Again no credit given sorry

Now let’s look at what a real gm does when taking over….
1) he cleans house if he’s rebuilding like they SAID they were doing.
2) trades all pending free agents for what he can get. He makes moves to rid cap
3) he does NOT resign players like Rp or Seeler

And biggest of all he trades real assets like tk for future assets not give 8 year extensions to mid level players like tk.


If you want to give “some “ credit then fine he gets a “D” grade. So no my koolaid and trolling isn’t that. It’s an honest assessment of db.
- Stayin alive

This is absolutely hilarious. Thank you for making my day.

Exactly. At least holding him out would indicate there is movement. And if you don't move him (kill me) what's the harm in missing 1 game?

I'd be shocked if they move Risto at this deadline. But very much pleased. I've been dying to be rid of that contract since the ink was wet.
- TobyFlenderson

I have heard he is the best Flyers dman!

His agent! Or my personal favorite: 'We have Andrae (not even in the NHL), York and Drysdale, do we need another smallish defenseman?'
- TobyFlenderson

Literally cringed when he said that... yet, Andre can't even stick w the NHL team.