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Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Tuesday @ 9:45 AM ET
I don't even think it's a guarantee that Hagens goes in the top 5. I think he probably does, but I wouldn't be shocked if he fell outside of it.

It would be really cool to have the hometown kid who is an Isles fan play for us, but I think it absolutely has to be Schaefer or Misa, and I'm heavily leaning Schaefer...as much as I like Misa.

- Gabe Athaus

They probably pick Schaefer unless there’s some kind of trade back scenario like I stated earlier. Whoever is the next GM will more than likely make the safest pick and that’s Schaefer.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Tuesday @ 9:49 AM ET
They probably pick Schaefer unless there’s some kind of trade back scenario like I stated earlier. Whoever is the next GM will more than likely make the safest pick and that’s Schaefer.
- Cptmjl



Schaefer fits a need for sure and seems to be the best player. Islanders need offense as well but seem to have help on offense on the way.

Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: Bitch Lasagna , NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Tuesday @ 9:49 AM ET
They probably pick Schaefer unless there’s some kind of trade back scenario like I stated earlier. Whoever is the next GM will more than likely make the safest pick and that’s Schaefer.
- Cptmjl

Here's a thread on the top draft experts thoughts on Schaefer
https://x.com/DynoDangle/.../1919572213381882277?s=19
Gabe Athaus
Location: San Francisco
Joined: 09.12.2019

Tuesday @ 9:55 AM ET
They probably pick Schaefer unless there’s some kind of trade back scenario like I stated earlier. Whoever is the next GM will more than likely make the safest pick and that’s Schaefer.
- Cptmjl

I wonder if they couldn't move Dobson and another asset to get back into the top 5 and try to take Hagens. I don't know how I'd feel about that, but that's a strong package.
Gabe Athaus
Location: San Francisco
Joined: 09.12.2019

Tuesday @ 9:57 AM ET
If they take Schaefer, I think he absolutely has to go back to the OHL next season though. He missed a lot of time this year with mono and the broken collarbone. And it's probably best for his development.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Tuesday @ 9:59 AM ET
I wonder if they couldn't move Dobson and another asset to get back into the top 5 and try to take Hagens. I don't know how I'd feel about that, but that's a strong package.
- Gabe Athaus


Something to think about. Schaefer and if Dobson can improve his defensive game would be something as well.

Gabe Athaus
Location: San Francisco
Joined: 09.12.2019

Tuesday @ 10:02 AM ET
Something to think about. Schaefer and if Dobson can improve his defensive game would be something as well.
- ses111

Nashville isn't, on paper, a "bottom 5 team". I wonder if Dobson and Colorado's 1st next year gets the Islanders back into the 1st round at #5.

They are severely lacking RHD:

JohnScammo
New York Islanders
Location: Coming to a jail near you
Joined: 10.14.2014

Tuesday @ 10:03 AM ET
Me, this morning:


- Gabe Athaus


Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Tuesday @ 10:09 AM ET
I wonder if they couldn't move Dobson and another asset to get back into the top 5 and try to take Hagens. I don't know how I'd feel about that, but that's a strong package.
- Gabe Athaus

As I said before I’m not too big on moving Dobson unless he forces our hand with outrageous contract demands. In the scenario you’re talking about we go instantly from having a couple prospects to too many.

Still need to ice an NHL team though I’m all for calling next season a wash in a bid for next years 1st overall. Can’t see the nhl letting us get two consecutive 1st’s.
Gabe Athaus
Location: San Francisco
Joined: 09.12.2019

Tuesday @ 10:13 AM ET
As I said before I’m not too big on moving Dobson unless he forces our hand with outrageous contract demands. In the scenario you’re talking about we go instantly from having a couple prospects to too many.

Still need to ice an NHL team though I’m all for calling next season a wash in a bid for next years 1st overall. Can’t see the nhl letting us get two consecutive 1st’s.

- Cptmjl

Just to reiterate, I'm not necessarily endorsing the idea yet...but if they could hypothetically move Dobson and the Colorado 1st in 2026, they could re-sign Tony D to take Dobson's spot and then take whoever at #5. Whether it's Hagens/Martone/Desnoyers/whoever
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Tuesday @ 10:19 AM ET
Nashville isn't, on paper, a "bottom 5 team". I wonder if Dobson and Colorado's 1st next year gets the Islanders back into the 1st round at #5.

They are severely lacking RHD:


- Gabe Athaus


Would be nice not to have to add the #1 for next year.
Gabe Athaus
Location: San Francisco
Joined: 09.12.2019

Tuesday @ 10:22 AM ET
Would be nice not to have to add the #1 for next year.
- ses111

Maybe they wouldn't have to, I don't know. I don't really want to trade Dobson but being able to add two high-end pieces into the system that already has Ritchie and Eiserman would be massive. Plus we'd still have our own 1st next year which figures to be a high pick
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Tuesday @ 10:24 AM ET
Maybe they wouldn't have to, I don't know. I don't really want to trade Dobson but being able to add two high-end pieces into the system that already has Ritchie and Eiserman would be massive. Plus we'd still have our own 1st next year which figures to be a high pick
- Gabe Athaus


Everything needs to be on the table. You would love to keep a player like Dobson if possible.
Gabe Athaus
Location: San Francisco
Joined: 09.12.2019

Tuesday @ 10:25 AM ET
Everything needs to be on the table. You would love to keep a player like Dobson if possible.
- ses111

My problem is that Dobson is going to be expensive and I don't think anyone really knows what direction he's heading. Is he the 70+ point defenseman we saw two years ago? Or is he a defensive liability with less offensive output? The defensive mistakes are more palatable if he's putting up close to a PPG from the blueline. They're not, for me, if he's way below that production.
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: Bitch Lasagna , NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Tuesday @ 10:45 AM ET
Just to reiterate, I'm not necessarily endorsing the idea yet...but if they could hypothetically move Dobson and the Colorado 1st in 2026, they could re-sign Tony D to take Dobson's spot and then take whoever at #5. Whether it's Hagens/Martone/Desnoyers/whoever
- Gabe Athaus

This team lacks talent I can't see any scenario where they don't take the 1st pick other than San Jose if they offer something to take Schaefer and we get misa
nyisles7
New York Islanders
Location: Wrong timing, NY
Joined: 01.20.2009

Tuesday @ 10:56 AM ET
They can't trade back unless it's with the sharks and they are happy with misa imo. They need talent in the worst way and Schaefer is elite and can jump up in the play to create. I'm OK with him or misa and I get the hagens thing but the other two have passed him. Schaefer has been a lock in the top spot since the rankings came out
- Upstate_isles


You take the best player available and that’s Schaefer at this point. It’s almost like do you take Tavares or Hedman
Upstate_isles
New York Islanders
Location: Bitch Lasagna , NY
Joined: 05.12.2016

Tuesday @ 11:07 AM ET
You take the best player available and that’s Schaefer at this point. It’s almost like do you take Tavares or Hedman
- nyisles7

Yea it's pretty close to that. Sucks hagens took a small step back this season but I think he's option 3
Gabe Athaus
Location: San Francisco
Joined: 09.12.2019

Tuesday @ 11:08 AM ET
This team lacks talent I can't see any scenario where they don't take the 1st pick other than San Jose if they offer something to take Schaefer and we get misa
- Upstate_isles

I'm a huge "take the best player available" guy so I fully agree. It's Schaefer for sure. Not to mention a star top-pair defenseman is probably the hardest thing to find in the draft. But if they can find a way to get back into the top-5 to take a forward I'd certainly consider it. I don't know if that's possible, but it might be worth looking into.

What it really boils down to is how the new regime views Dobson moving forward, unless they're going to shock everyone and trade someone else.
Gabe Athaus
Location: San Francisco
Joined: 09.12.2019

Tuesday @ 11:08 AM ET
Yea it's pretty close to that. Sucks hagens took a small step back this season but I think he's option 3
- Upstate_isles

Martone and Desnoyers are right there though. The book on Hagens is that he's a soft playmaker that stays on the perimeter. I really wouldn't be shocked if both of those players I mentioned are taken before him.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Tuesday @ 11:10 AM ET
My problem is that Dobson is going to be expensive and I don't think anyone really knows what direction he's heading. Is he the 70+ point defenseman we saw two years ago? Or is he a defensive liability with less offensive output? The defensive mistakes are more palatable if he's putting up close to a PPG from the blueline. They're not, for me, if he's way below that production.
- Gabe Athaus


Dobson is a wildcard at this point. The contract is a huge issue.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Tuesday @ 11:11 AM ET
Martone and Desnoyers are right there though. The book on Hagens is that he's a soft playmaker that stays on the perimeter. I really wouldn't be shocked if both of those players I mentioned are taken before him.
- Gabe Athaus


Hagens just does not seem like a strong #1 overall pick.
Gabe Athaus
Location: San Francisco
Joined: 09.12.2019

Tuesday @ 11:14 AM ET
Hagens just does not seem like a strong #1 overall pick.
- ses111

If they take him at 1st overall they're making a huge mistake. If he was from anywhere but Long Island not one single person would be talking about the Islanders taking him first. I'd love to see the kid in an Isles jersey on draft day, but it's just not going to happen unless they trade back into the top five.
ses111
New York Islanders
Joined: 06.07.2008

Tuesday @ 11:17 AM ET
If they take him at 1st overall they're making a huge mistake. If he was from anywhere but Long Island not one single person would be talking about the Islanders taking him first. I'd love to see the kid in an Isles jersey on draft day, but it's just not going to happen unless they trade back into the top five.
- Gabe Athaus


I agree. Great story but you need more than that. Hagens at 4 or 5 I can see. Just not 1.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Tuesday @ 11:40 AM ET
If they take him at 1st overall they're making a huge mistake. If he was from anywhere but Long Island not one single person would be talking about the Islanders taking him first. I'd love to see the kid in an Isles jersey on draft day, but it's just not going to happen unless they trade back into the top five.
- Gabe Athaus

How dare you talk about my buddy’s kid like that you bastard.
Gabe Athaus
Location: San Francisco
Joined: 09.12.2019

Tuesday @ 11:47 AM ET
How dare you talk about my buddy’s kid like that you bastard.
- Cptmjl



Listen I'd love to see him become an Islander, I really would. Just not with the first overall pick. I'd strongly consider moving some serious assets to trade back up and take him.
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