It's not clear if Shanahan was forced by ownership to keep the Core 4 together and it's not clear if Brendan had control over the roster. Maybe JT was forced on him as well? You would think as a player, Brendan would know what it took to win.
- ses111

I think it’s a bit strange that Shanahans teams were soft because he was anything but soft as a player.

It's been proven for years that is very difficult to win with the Leafs. I would not have a huge problem with Shanahan as President. Maybe ownership has been the biggest issue? Maybe Brendan learned a lot from the Leafs job and the Islanders owners will not meddle like the Leafs owners may have?
- ses111

Eh I think Shanahan made a mistake with Kyle Dubas and it lasted too long. For that alone I question his business model. They went too heavily on advanced stats and Shanny allowed it. I’m not sure he’s my pick for president but what the hell do I know lol

I think it’s a bit strange that Shanahans teams were soft because he was anything but soft as a player.
- kindlyrick

This was my point. Maybe he did not have full control. Maybe getting out of Toronto is what Brendan needs?

Eh I think Shanahan made a mistake with Kyle Dubas and it lasted too long. For that alone I question his business model. They went too heavily on advanced stats and Shanny allowed it. I’m not sure he’s my pick for president but what the hell do I know lol
- kindlyrick

Shanahan would not be a perfect choice. I do not see any available to be hired though. Something has kept the Leafs from winning the Cup for ages. The Leafs seem to have a Cowboy situation going on with a lot of distractions and just making money is the #1 priority.

Shanahan would not be a perfect choice. I do not see any available to be hired though. Something has kept the Leafs from winning the Cup for ages. The Leafs seem to have a Cowboy situation going on with a lot of distractions and just making money is the #1 priority.
- ses111

Aside from the media being absolutely ridiculous, the fact is the leafs have and continued to bring a knife to a gun fight. Matthews and Marner vs Tkatchuk and Marchand. That’s the difference.

Robinson on the ground covering his head game 5 was a microcosm of that team

Aside from the media being absolutely ridiculous, the fact is the leafs have and continued to bring a knife to a gun fight. Matthews and Marner vs Tkatchuk and Marchand. That’s the difference.
- kindlyrick

Much like the Islanders, it's a roster construction problem. Maybe ownership wants big names? It's the only thing that explains the JT signing when he hurt the Cap and the money could have been spent to address other areas, and you already had a 1C. You cannot have a team with just defense or just offense. You need skill and grit to win. You need to be able to win if it's a defensive battle or if the game opens up. The Islanders have to decide are they looking for a figure head as a president that will be a sounding board to the GM and the GM will run everything or the president will have power and can overrule the GM.

Ownership had better Shanaban the Shanaplan

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With @MapleLeafs President & Alternate Governor Brendan Shanahan’s contract set to expire on June 30 (as reported by @StapeAthletic), I could see him sliding into an upper management role with the @NYIslanders. Interesting times ahead!
- Gabe Athaus

No (frank)ing Thank You!!!!

Stefen Rosner

To piggy back off @frank_seravalli report that Marc Bergevin had a second interview with #Isles, I heard Mathieu Darche did as well.

We shall see how this plays out.


This could be the next president and GM. I’m cool with that. Lets gooo

Stefen Rosner

To piggy back off @frank_seravalli report that Marc Bergevin had a second interview with #Isles, I heard Mathieu Darche did as well.

We shall see how this plays out.
- kindlyrick

Bergevin as president and Darche as GM can work. Just need to have both roles clearly defined.

He should NOT be considered for any Islander job.
- JohnScammo

Just out of curiosity why?

Mitch Marner is the softest 11 million dollar player the league has ever seen. How many years does this guy not show up in the post season? Huge no thanks to Marner and Shanahan for that matter.

Watch the video of game 5 Mitch Marner attempting to beat his man out of his own end, getting hemmed up and does a blind spin arama back hand pass up the middle. Giveaway….and he can’t get to his man….goal. The guy still thinks he’s in juniors. No thanks
- kindlyrick

Bossy was not breaking many eggs back in the day. Thats why my favorite player played alongside Gillies.

That entire situation is bush league. Roy shouldn’t have thrown his player under the bus and Duclair should have finished the season.
- kindlyrick

Without being in the room, we just don't know. Maybe ROY did that to protect and give Duclair an excuse.

Stefen Rosner

To piggy back off @frank_seravalli report that Marc Bergevin had a second interview with #Isles, I heard Mathieu Darche did as well.

We shall see how this plays out.


This could be the next president and GM. I’m cool with that. Lets gooo
- kindlyrick

I’ve said it a few times Bergy is a definite front runner. Whether they go with 2 positions and hire Darsch as GM as well is the question.
If I owned the team and I certainly don’t that’s what I would do.
I do think we see Bergy.

It's not clear if Shanahan was forced by ownership to keep the Core 4 together and it's not clear if Brendan had control over the roster. Maybe JT was forced on him as well? You would think as a player, Brendan would know what it took to win.
- ses111

Exactly!!!

Stefen Rosner

To piggy back off @frank_seravalli report that Marc Bergevin had a second interview with #Isles, I heard Mathieu Darche did as well.

We shall see how this plays out.

This could be the next president and GM. I’m cool with that. Lets gooo
- kindlyrick

I think this is the best option for this team. The fact that they have both had a second interview is a positive.

I think this is the best option for this team. The fact that they have both had a second interview is a positive.
- Nfdbulldawg

Agreed. They’re both French Canadian so I think Roy stays and hires his own assistants.

What would the price be to acquire Marner or Matthews? I would be interested in Matthews not Marner.

What would the price be to acquire Marner or Matthews? I would be interested in Matthews not Marner.
- LItransplant44

Marner is a free agent but apparently there was a deal at the deadline with the canes for Rantanen but Marner wouldn’t waive his no trade

It's not clear if Shanahan was forced by ownership to keep the Core 4 together and it's not clear if Brendan had control over the roster. Maybe JT was forced on him as well? You would think as a player, Brendan would know what it took to win.
- ses111

This would be a clear reason not to hire him.
You want your President of hockey ops or GM to make decisions and run the team. If the owners can dictate what the GM or P of HO should and shouldn’t do then I don’t want that guy.

This would be a clear reason not to hire him.
You want your President of hockey ops or GM to make decisions and run the team. If the owners can dictate what the GM or P of HO should and shouldn’t do then I don’t want that guy.
- nyisles7

Leafs seem to be a different animal, I do think if Shanny did not have enough control and ownership was not letting him do his job, he should have walked. Lou's situation was different and easier to judge as he had 100% full control of everything. I'm fine if Shanny does not get the job. Shanny probably would have benefitted from being on a different team. L

Bossy was not breaking many eggs back in the day. Thats why my favorite player played alongside Gillies.
- Nfdbulldawg

Bossy was very underrated on defense and did not shy away from contact.

Exactly!!!
- Nfdbulldawg

I get fans being nervous about Shanny. I think there have been bigger issues in Toronto for years though. If Shanny had full control of the roster and decisions, he needs to take the heat. I'm not sure this is the case though. I do think he deserves another shot elsewhere regardless. I wish we knew if it was Darche and Bergevin fitting it out for the GM and another president would be hired or Bergevin is looked at as GM? I think a president should get to hire the GM, but I'm not sure this will be the case with the Islanders.

Just out of curiosity why?
- Nfdbulldawg

The results speak for themselves. During Shanahan's tenure, how many playoff round wins do the Leafs have? Two??? The team was poorly constructed. Lots of big names, but short on results.

They remind me a little of the Ranger teams in the 1970s. I remember the shock when the upstart Islanders beat them in the 1975 playoffs. Torrey had simply constructed a much better team.

I don't understand the concern expressed on this board about the Leafs' owners meddling. Is that based on anything? I don't think that's the norm in the NHL, even if Wang used to meddle.

The results speak for themselves. During Shanahan's tenure, how many playoff round wins do the Leafs have? Two??? The team was poorly constructed. Lots of big names, but short on results.

They remind me a little of the Ranger teams in the 1970s. I remember the shock when the upstart Islanders beat them in the 1975 playoffs. Torrey had simply constructed a much better team.

I don't understand the concern expressed on this board about the Leafs' owners meddling. Is that based on anything? I don't think that's the norm in the NHL, even if Wang used to meddle.
- JohnScammo

John, I think the issue is the Leafs have not won a Cup for ages long before Shanny. The other issue is Shanny did not have the GM title so how much control did he have on the roster? I have no idea on Shanny's exact role. These are unanswered questions that make it tougher to get a true read on Shanny. The Islanders had one person running the entire show so it's easy to judge the performance. As Islander fans, we are used to one person running the show so hiring two people would be something new. I'm not saying Shanny is a slam dunk hire. I think the Leafs have a lot going on that makes that job that much tougher. I'm a fan of one president and one GM, but both better be on the same page and roles need to be 100% defined.

Regarding the Leafs owners, they strike me having that Jerry Jones Dallas Cowboy vibe where other things get in the way of winning.

I asked on the Leafs thread how much control Shanny had on the roster if any on the reply I got was, he basically fired Dubas when he wanted to make a move on the core 4. He’s very likely gone. If this is the case, Shanny would be a No for me.