The Flyers are Buffalo.
- furio16

Buffalo is a management problem. Not player problem. Philly is both. So which turns faster? I’d say more likely buffalo because they only need to get the right management. However ownership does seem too busy dealing with the bills than Sabres. Also pegulas wife was in charge of Sabres and since her medical episode a few years ago it seems no one is really even watching over or cares.

Pronger as great as a player as he was 1 of my favorite defenseman of all time, he is not the person I want running anything

He was the one who scouted sam Morin and we see how that all worked out
- SlNlSTER

I wouldn't be bringing him in to be a scout or GM. I'd be bringing him in to be a firewall between corporate/the alumni and hockey ops, so the team can move in a different direction. People legit respect and fear Prongs. He'd play the Shanny role beautifully.

In the last 10 drafts the Flyers have picked in the top 10 four times. In the top 5 twice. Lotto luck with NoPa. Of the four top 10 picks only one is still with the team.

So they have only picked once in the top five based on record in the last 10 years. They haven't made the playoffs the last four years. Soon to be five. They still need a #1 center and #1 d-man. Just like they did three years ago.

What am I supposed to be excited about?

Agree with what you are saying but it is hard to believe they would have received both a first found pick and either of those 2 guys. Of course, you never know until you ask, which they probably did not.
- mr4tno

In a vacuum the trade is solid. For sure. But some act like it’s some home run. It isn’t. The odds are gerbenkins is a bottom 6 nice player and the first becomes at best a bottom 6 or 2nd line nice player. In a vacuum they lose a player with some value for the now on a winning team for some decent return on future more than likely. It’s a meh move in the big picture. A move that if we were in a cup contending window would look even better. It’s a baseline move this team should’ve been doing since day 1 briere took over. But just leads to rebuild isn’t the goal.

In the last 10 drafts the Flyers have picked in the top 10 four times. In the top 5 twice. Lotto luck with NoPa. Of the four top 10 picks only one is still with the team.

So they have only picked once in the top five based on record in the last 10 years. They haven't made the playoffs the last four years. Soon to be five. They still need a #1 center and #1 d-man. Just like they did three years ago.

What am I supposed to be excited about?
- mickel25

Culture® baby

In the last 10 drafts the Flyers have picked in the top 10 four times. In the top 5 twice. Lotto luck with NoPa. Of the four top 10 picks only one is still with the team.

So they have only picked once in the top five based on record in the last 10 years. They haven't made the playoffs the last four years. Soon to be five. They still need a #1 center and #1 d-man. Just like they did three years ago.

What am I supposed to be excited about?
- mickel25

I’m truly interested in this report that the scouts fell in love with gerbenkins and philly had to have him. Very telling if true. Especially looking at draft decisions

Are you kidding me?? Lets look at the botton 5-7 teams in the league shall we.

Sharks - Since finishing 2nd in 2018, the Sharks have not finished higher than 6th in the past 6 seasons! yes they have Celebrini and Smith to show for it, and will get another high draft pick this year, but 6 seasons, bottom of the league, and there is no guarantee just because they have high draft picks that they will be good anytime soon.

Blackhawks - Since finishing 1st in 2016, they have not finished better than 6th since then, that's a total of 8 seasons of near bottom or bottom finishes! Again, they have some young players to show for it, Bedard of course leading the way, but how has Bedard's development on a crappy team been so far?

Sabres - Do I even need to say anything about this wretched franchise? They haven't finished above 5th since 2011, 14 years!! Never mind the star players they gave away, Eichel, Reinhart and of course the Flyers best defenseman Risto!

Let's do one more shall we, the mighty Anaheim Ducks. They have not finished above 6th place since 2017, that's 7 straight seasons. Again, they have Carlsson, and Gauthier, Zegras, MacTavish, and Zellweger, and what has it got them exactly? That's right, you guessed it, another top 10 pick this year.

The lesson that should be learned is if you strip down to the studs you have no winning culture or structure in place for these young players to develop in. That is why the Ducks are now getting players like Gudas, Trouba and Dumoulin, to start creating a more professional envorinment for their players to develop. The Flyers are doing it the right way, building the culture and identifying the veteran players that will promote that culture for their younger players to thrive. You will see a much different team next year, one that will make the playoffs within 3 years of Briere and Jones taking over, which is half the time of these other teams.
- jd250

Is this a joke? The Sharks have a long way to go yet. So disingenuous to bring them up as if that proves your point. Their rebuild is still in its early stages.


The Hawks won 3 cups from their first tear down. This recent tear down has just started.

Same goes for Anaheim. They are still in their early stages.

Buffalo just sucks.

So why do you ignore Tampa, Florida, LA, Pittsburgh, Colorado etc? Even Toronto and Edmonton, while they haven't won anything, are at least contenders and have a realistic shot.

Your argument is ridiculous. A tear down and rebuild takes a decade at least. Name one team who has won the cup besides St. Louis who didn't do it since the cap era began.


STFU about culture. It's a pablum accepted by losers. Talent wins, talent creates culture. You can keep pointing at Buffalo all you want as proof you are right, while the rest of us who aren't hanging from The Flyers sack point to multiple other teams.

LOL you may be right about them making the playoffs, but they won't be contenders. If you are happy with them squeaking in every year as a 7th or 8th seed.... great.

And one last thing. How will this team be different? A bunch of rookies coming in and making a difference? And what rookies are you talking about?

An overpaid free agent like Sam Bennett? He will be the difference? Give me a break.

I am not going to kill Briere for the TOR deal. I actually like Gerbenkin's game more then Mintens. He'll need some time but I was pretty happy they got him. Minten might have been safer, just not sure there is much more to Minten. Seems to come across as about a 3rd line center. I think Gerbenkin as more top 6 potential.

Buffalo is a management problem. Not player problem. Philly is both. So which turns faster? I’d say more likely buffalo because they only need to get the right management. However ownership does seem too busy dealing with the bills than Sabres. Also pegulas wife was in charge of Sabres and since her medical episode a few years ago it seems no one is really even watching over or cares.
- Stayin alive

There is no proof Buffalo will ever attract the right management. Quality management personal avoid that place; rightfully so.

Pegula is the worst. Flyers issue is they think they are doing it the right way and on the path to the cup.

In the last 10 drafts the Flyers have picked in the top 10 four times. In the top 5 twice. Lotto luck with NoPa. Of the four top 10 picks only one is still with the team.

So they have only picked once in the top five based on record in the last 10 years. They haven't made the playoffs the last four years. Soon to be five. They still need a #1 center and #1 d-man. Just like they did three years ago.

What am I supposed to be excited about?
- mickel25

#1 goalie as well. Add a quality head coach.

There is no proof Buffalo will ever attract the right management. Quality management personal avoid that place; rightfully so.

Pegula is the worst. Flyers issue is they think they are doing it the right way and on the path to the cup.
- furio16

I tend to agree. I do think they finally get rid of Adams and also ruff with new gm. Who knows. Maybe bring in Youngblood. But I think id still rather have that then the poopshow that thinks they are on the right path like flyers. Although I guess Philly could luck into some players like mm.

Is this a joke? The Sharks have a long way to go yet. So disingenuous to bring them up as if that proves your point. Their rebuild is still in its early stages.


The Hawks won 3 cups from their first tear down. This recent tear down has just started.

Same goes for Anaheim. They are still in their early stages.

Buffalo just sucks.

So why do you ignore Tampa, Florida, LA, Pittsburgh, Colorado etc? Even Toronto and Edmonton, while they haven't won anything, are at least contenders and have a realistic shot.

Your argument is ridiculous. A tear down and rebuild takes a decade at least. Name one team who has won the cup besides St. Louis who didn't do it since the cap era began.


STFU about culture. It's a pablum accepted by losers. Talent wins, talent creates culture. You can keep pointing at Buffalo all you want as proof you are right, while the rest of us who aren't hanging from The Flyers sack point to multiple other teams.

LOL you may be right about them making the playoffs, but they won't be contenders. If you are happy with them squeaking in every year as a 7th or 8th seed.... great.

And one last thing. How will this team be different? A bunch of rookies coming in and making a difference? And what rookies are you talking about?

An overpaid free agent like Sam Bennett? He will be the difference? Give me a break.
- MBFlyerfan

Where’s mjl? I’ve said for YEARS that a true rebuild takes 10 years. He went off on me. “No team fanbase would wait 10 years”. Lmmfao.

#1 goalie as well. Add a quality head coach.
- furio16

And a 2D, a 1LW and the way Luch is looking they probably will still need a legit 2C.

I am not going to kill Briere for the TOR deal. I actually like Gerbenkin's game more then Mintens. He'll need some time but I was pretty happy they got him. Minten might have been safer, just not sure there is much more to Minten. Seems to come across as about a 3rd line center. I think Gerbenkin as more top 6 potential.
- J35Bacher

I like the TOR trade. Briere deserves criticism for other moves, this is not one of them. I thought it was crazy they could get a 1st and a prospect for Laughton. As fans we have watched Laughton for years. Nice bottom six winger, should not have gotten that much of a return.

Where’s mjl? I’ve said for YEARS that a true rebuild takes 10 years. He went off on me. “No team fanbase would wait 10 years”. Lmmfao.
- Stayin alive

He has said repeatedly a rebuild will take thay long.

I like the TOR trade. Briere deserves criticism for other moves, this is not one of them. I thought it was crazy they could get a 1st and a prospect for Laughton. As fans we have watched Laughton for years. Nice bottom six winger, should not have gotten that much of a return.
- Trox88

Yes no one should have an issue on the return.

After Laughton washes out in Toronto and the Flyers crash and burn. Would not be shocked to see him required. Though 1.5 is a good deal Toronto will probably keep him.

BUF is going to be an interesting team in the summer. According to Puckpedia, they have about $22 million in space. Seems like a lot, but they have a pretty long list of RFAs to sign. I expect them to make trades. STL is another team stuck in purgatory. Only $9 million in cap space. It makes no sense we have seen Kyrou in trade speculation, but if they want to make major changes to the roster, dangling Kyrou could gain back a lot of assets.

I expect hockey trades before the draft, and I do expect Briere to be involved.

He has said repeatedly a rebuild will take thay long.
- furio16

Yeah recently. Not that he would ever admit it. I was banging that drum years ago and always used the Kings blueprint of how they had to turn roster over a few times before winning. Mjl insisted no fanbase would live through that. Even tho I would point out once you obtain a few elite pieces you get to watch them grow. This was back before coots had his 2 miracle 76 point seasons that somehow made him the 1c everyone thought he was. I was always the guy saying he was a 3c maybe 2c at best. We are talking 6-7-8 years ago. But yes mjl over the last few years has said it takes that long

I like the TOR trade. Briere deserves criticism for other moves, this is not one of them. I thought it was crazy they could get a 1st and a prospect for Laughton. As fans we have watched Laughton for years. Nice bottom six winger, should not have gotten that much of a return.
- Trox88

He got what the market allowed. He could’ve gotten same prices over the last few seasons at certain points with many different players. He had a home run sitting with tk and bunted with extension.

And a 2D, a 1LW and the way Luch is looking they probably will still need a legit 2C.
- Tomahawk

They need everything. They have mm and cutter. I mean mm. That’s all. All the decent young players they have now should be moved over the few season instead of giving the long term crippling no time line extensions like coots Tk and assets built at the appropriate times

He got what the market allowed. He could’ve gotten same prices over the last few seasons at certain points with many different players. He had a home run sitting with tk and bunted with extension.
- Stayin alive

I don't disagree on TK. He could have taken less to move Laughton, so he deserves credit for that trade. The rumor last year for Laughton was a 1st and Korpisalo coming back from OTT. I have no idea if the Flyers would have retained on Laughton, considering Korpisalo's contract runs for 3 more years. I have no issue being critical of Briere's moves and agree with many of those criticisms. In the Laughton trade, he maximized his return and took advantage of the market.

BUF is going to be an interesting team in the summer. According to Puckpedia, they have about $22 million in space. Seems like a lot, but they have a pretty long list of RFAs to sign. I expect them to make trades. STL is another team stuck in purgatory. Only $9 million in cap space. It makes no sense we have seen Kyrou in trade speculation, but if they want to make major changes to the roster, dangling Kyrou could gain back a lot of assets.

I expect hockey trades before the draft, and I do expect Briere to be involved.
- Trox88

Dahlin reportedly (by biz) said he wants out if things don’t get better soon. That’s player talk for lack of confidence in gm to improve roster. I think Buffalo likely to make moves and could be pickings for some fleecing as Adams sucks as a gm. Look at the Norris for cozens trade. If Norris stays healthy he’s better and Buffalo added a 2nd round pick. Or the savoi trade. They have a lot of higher end talent coming in next few years and are looking for players to try to win now. Could Danny boy flip some guys for younger Sabres not on roster ? Philly is 5th youngest team. Buffalo is youngest. Tk would look great in Buffalo. Or York or trees or tip can I dream coots. lol

I don't disagree on TK. He could have taken less to move Laughton, so he deserves credit for that trade. The rumor last year for Laughton was a 1st and Korpisalo coming back from OTT. I have no idea if the Flyers would have retained on Laughton, considering Korpisalo's contract runs for 3 more years. I have no issue being critical of Briere's moves and agree with many of those criticisms. In the Laughton trade, he maximized his return and took advantage of the market.
- Trox88

100 % he did. Can you Imangine what position they’d be in if he did it from day 1? lol. Like any new gm gets free rein from doing from fanbase. He would’ve been totally supported had he cleaned house. They could’ve actually rebuilt or been through stage 1 and well into stage 2 had he. And likely would still have cutter on roster. I need to see mass exodus to even begin to look at anything they do as really anything positive

I don't disagree on TK. He could have taken less to move Laughton, so he deserves credit for that trade. The rumor last year for Laughton was a 1st and Korpisalo coming back from OTT. I have no idea if the Flyers would have retained on Laughton, considering Korpisalo's contract runs for 3 more years. I have no issue being critical of Briere's moves and agree with many of those criticisms. In the Laughton trade, he maximized his return and took advantage of the market.
- Trox88

It was good trade.

The Kuzmenko trade was even solid getting a 3rd for a player who you probably were never resigning.

This offseason will be huge. Do they move Risto. York needs a new deal. Where do they end up for the draft. Can do they look to make hockey trades?


A thought I had was I would actually look to make Sanheim available and see if I can move him as I would rather keep York.

But they neeeeeed to get a top 4 pick. I need one of Schaefer, Martone, Misa or Hagens

Dahlin reportedly (by biz) said he wants out if things don’t get better soon. That’s player talk for lack of confidence in gm to improve roster. I think Buffalo likely to make moves and could be pickings for some fleecing as Adams sucks as a gm. Look at the Norris for cozens trade. If Norris stays healthy he’s better and Buffalo added a 2nd round pick. Or the savoi trade. They have a lot of higher end talent coming in next few years and are looking for players to try to win now. Could Danny boy flip some guys for younger Sabres not on roster ? Philly is 5th youngest team. Buffalo is youngest. Tk would look great in Buffalo. Or York or trees or tip can I dream coots. lol
- Stayin alive

Dahlin is a fantastic player. I hope he demands a trade and tries to get out. He is a perennial Norris trophy winner toiling in purgatory. I would not be shocked to see Power traded. Signed long-term, but no NTC. They could get a haul for him in a trade. I do not agree with the path for the Flyers rebuild. At this point, the only possible way for it to succeed now is to make big trades to try and bring in players from other teams. There will be risked involved because of assets given up and salary and term taken on, but it must be done. I think Briere will do something in the summer.