Treliving should thank Marner for not letting him trade him for a worse winger.
- BINGO!

If they could have signed Rantanen now and not risk losing MM for nothing, then go for it

Treliving should thank Marner for not letting him trade him for a worse winger.
- BINGO!

Have you heard of a thing called the playoffs?

Have you heard of a thing called the playoffs?
- Whipper

Rant
1.08 ppg reg season
1.24 ppg playoffs ↑

Marn
1.12 ppg reg season
.87 ppg playoffs ↓

I have my doubts about Thornton.

Kovalchuk will not be going to the HHOF.

Voters won't forgive him for going to the KHL, and his return to the NHL was a complete bust.

876 career NHL points drops you down to guys who get a pass because of injuries that cut their careers short (Bure, Lindros, Forsberg).

No NHL trophies of any kind.

40 total NHL playoff games (not his fault, but that doesn't matter).

He's not getting in.
- Atomic Wedgie

It's the Hockey Hall of Fame. He's done a crazy amount internationally. Also he won a Rocket, not that that means everything.

Have you heard of a thing called the playoffs?
- Whipper

look the important thing here is "(frank) mikko rantanen," okay? Either the POS lied or his agent did, and then when the Avs called his bluff he gave about a 65% effort until he officially told the Canes he wasn't signing with them and straight up mailed it in.

Rant
1.08 ppg reg season
1.24 ppg playoffs ↑

Marn
1.12 ppg reg season
.87 ppg playoffs ↓
- senstroll

Precisely! And Marner's playoff stats are significantly padded by the wide open, high scoring series win against Tampa. We've all seen the games 5-7 stats for him in the playoffs, yikes.

Hell of a player, no doubt. But you take away his time and his space, (of which there are very little in the playoffs), and he's not nearly the same player. Gets too cute, (see Saturday night).

Treliving should thank Marner for not letting him trade him for a worse winger.
- BINGO!

I don't think that would be your tune if Rantanen had re-upped with Carolina.

He has 2 goals in 2 games with Dallas - he had 2 goals in 13 games with Carolina, perhaps the player he was in Carolina is not the player he is?

Sure wasn't what he was for what a decade in Colorado.

Both are great players who bring very different things to the table, personally I think the Leafs lack what Rantanen brings to the table more than they would suffer if they didn't have what Marner does come playoff time.

The story that the Leafs wouldn't make the playoffs without Marner is pure speculative BS IMO. They would make the playoffs without a doubt if they had a Rantenan in the line up but it doesn't matter because they have a Marner right now so we have to hope he can elevate his game come playoffs vs have it dip.

If Thoronton doesnt get it, I dont see JT getting in then
- senstroll

How the hell could Thoronton not get it? Is it because they looked him up on hockeydb and couldn't find a player?

look the important thing here is "(frank) mikko rantanen," okay? Either the POS lied or his agent did, and then when the Avs called his bluff he gave about a 65% effort until he officially told the Canes he wasn't signing with them and straight up mailed it in.
- BINGO!

Enjoy another year of futility. Welcome to the club

look the important thing here is "(frank) mikko rantanen," okay? Either the POS lied or his agent did, and then when the Avs called his bluff he gave about a 65% effort until he officially told the Canes he wasn't signing with them and straight up mailed it in.
- BINGO!

Yeah (frank) Mikko Rantanen for his GM making him get up and move one day, only for another GM to give him 2 weeks to make one of the biggest decisions in his life.

Horrible trade by Carolina, the risk did not pay off.

look the important thing here is "(frank) mikko rantanen," okay? Either the POS lied or his agent did, and then when the Avs called his bluff he gave about a 65% effort until he officially told the Canes he wasn't signing with them and straight up mailed it in.
- BINGO!

I get your anger (This place would be insane if it had been the Leafs) but should you blame the player or your GM who has done this twice now?

I'm confused as to how he or his agent lied? Are you saying they told Carolina he was willing to sign an extension and then changed his mind? IF that was the case it's BS for sure but I also think he was likely shocked he got moved and the poor results in Carolina were directly impacted by that.

It's entirely possible I'm missing part of the story but I'd be surprised to hear he said he was willing to sign an extension in Carolina when he didn't even know he was being traded and got shocked when it happened.

Yeah (frank) Mikko Rantanen for his GM making him get up and move one day, only for another GM to give him 2 weeks to make one of the biggest decisions in his life.

Horrible trade by Carolina, the risk did not pay off.
- Santo_44

Good for the canes for trying to make a big move, the NHL needs more of that.
It didnt work out with him, looks like rant just doesnt fit in the system they run, but Stankoven does, so it may work out well for them.

Is it me or do you just get the feeling that Mitchy Biscuits is going to be a Sabre next year?

Sweet contract you got Nylander signed for by the way!
- Hatboro_Swords

I honestly get the feeling that no one is a Sabre next year.....team folds.
:😜

I get your anger (This place would be insane if it had been the Leafs) but should you blame the player or your GM who has done this twice now?

I'm confused as to how he or his agent lied? Are you saying they told Carolina he was willing to sign an extension and then changed his mind? IF that was the case it's BS for sure but I also think he was likely shocked he got moved and the poor results in Carolina were directly impacted by that.

It's entirely possible I'm missing part of the story but I'd be surprised to hear he said he was willing to sign an extension in Carolina when he didn't even know he was being traded and got shocked when it happened.
- Cush29

Do we know if Carolina was on his “no go” list?

Rant
1.08 ppg reg season
1.24 ppg playoffs ↑

Marn
1.12 ppg reg season
.87 ppg playoffs ↓
- senstroll

Yup. But didnt Rantanen play alongside Mac, whos a playoff machine.
Marner had to play with Matthews....who is ok in the playoffs

I honestly get the feeling that no one is a Sabre next year.....team folds.
:😜
- Fakepartofme

Wait, they still have a team?

I honestly get the feeling that no one is a Sabre next year.....team folds.
:😜
- Fakepartofme

I truly believe next year is going to be different.








Ha ha ha, just kidding. They have no plan to get out of their malaise.

Yup. But didnt Rantanen play alongside Mac, whos a playoff machine.
Marner had to play with Matthews....who is ok in the playoffs
- Fakepartofme

Yeah, if Matthews doesn't show up this year in the playoffs, that's a big issue.

We always got Willy to carry us, though

Do we know if Carolina was on his “no go” list?
- Canada Cup

He has a 31 team no go list - otherwise known as a NMC.

I guess 32 if you count the Marlies.

Wait, they still have a team?
- Canada Cup

Pretty sure its a farm team, kinda like how the Bisons are to the Jays.

Yeah (frank) Mikko Rantanen for his GM making him get up and move one day, only for another GM to give him 2 weeks to make one of the biggest decisions in his life.

Horrible trade by Carolina, the risk did not pay off.
- Santo_44

lol

His agent told them he was open to signing in Raleigh because they didn't believe the Avs would actually trade him. Then they did and after a chaotic first few weeks Mikko dog-(frank)ed his way through the rest of his tenure.

I get your anger (This place would be insane if it had been the Leafs) but should you blame the player or your GM who has done this twice now?

I'm confused as to how he or his agent lied? Are you saying they told Carolina he was willing to sign an extension and then changed his mind? IF that was the case it's BS for sure but I also think he was likely shocked he got moved and the poor results in Carolina were directly impacted by that.

It's entirely possible I'm missing part of the story but I'd be surprised to hear he said he was willing to sign an extension in Carolina when he didn't even know he was being traded and got shocked when it happened.
- Cush29

Word is his agent was playing hardball with everyone. Ie. turning down offers without discussing them with his client.

I get your anger (This place would be insane if it had been the Leafs) but should you blame the player or your GM who has done this twice now?

I'm confused as to how he or his agent lied? Are you saying they told Carolina he was willing to sign an extension and then changed his mind? IF that was the case it's BS for sure but I also think he was likely shocked he got moved and the poor results in Carolina were directly impacted by that.

It's entirely possible I'm missing part of the story but I'd be surprised to hear he said he was willing to sign an extension in Carolina when he didn't even know he was being traded and got shocked when it happened.
- Cush29

Id blame the avs and the Carolina gm.
The avs told Carolina to keep everything on the downlow until rant got traded. They didnt want to ruffle any feathers with the avs players or rant.
Carolina should have walked away right there. I think had rant knew the avs were gonna move him and had Carolina been able to offer the big contract upfront, he may have been more inclined to sign.
But he was caught off guard by the trade and pissed about it.
I would blame avs and canes gm.
Also heard his agent wasnt sharing everything with him

Quotes aren't working right now but man Rare_Jewel, you absolutely think you know everything about everything don't you? Tavares hasn't accomplished anything at the NHL level, isn't a great 1st overall pick.......blah blah blah man.

You remind me of one of my least favourite types of people. Can't stop talking but have nothing to say.

Time to give your patronizing ways a rest Eric.

His skill level and expectation was that he could carry the Islanders back to glory. Granted, his team sucked and he still put up points but when he joined the Leafs, he joined the most offensively stacked team he had ever played on. The blue and white logic around here was that if he could turn garbage players into 30-40 goal scorers therefore "just imagine how much he would score if he had all-stars like Matthews, Marner and Nylander to play with."

The results? They were Leafy but not because of the Leafs but rather because Tavares himself, in his prime, did not reach that MVP level of play that he was expected to be as the 2nd highest paid player in the league at the time.



You're going to have to define what "legit" means to you.

To me, it means best, most accomplished player of his draft class and at some point, the best in the NHL in some shape or form.

As a fan of hockey, Tavares has put up a lot of points and yet never won a damn thing in the NHL and never been at the highest level of "1st overall" player. He's not Nail Yakupov but he never got to the level of Stamkos, Kane, McDavid, MacKinnon, Ovechkin or Crosby even though he was supposed to be that "exceptional player" that had generational talent.

Even Rick Nash, Thornton, Kovalchuk, the Sedins, Taylor Hall and Lecavalier can at least say they won something, even if it was an individual award.



And yet if anybody got to redo that draft with what they know today, Victor Hedman would have been the 1st overall pick. Having the most points doesn't tell the whole story.

In fact, Tavares might not even go 2nd because one could argue Ryan O'Reilly, having won a Selke, Conn Smythe and Cup probably is the more accomplished player despite having less points.

When you go from exceptional player status, to 1st overall, you're expected to be, at some point, in the top tier of the entire league, not just your draft class.

Tavares has been neither.

Thus far...

Zero MVPs. Zero Richards. Zero Art Ross. Zero Conn Smythes. Zero Cups.

Zero 50 goal seasons. Zero 100 point seasons.

Zero seasons beyond the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Yes, he has a lot of points and will probably be in the HHOF but so is Mike Gartner.



Tavares is Mike Gartner. Maybe worse.
- Rare_Jewel

You are the equivalent of the class clown. Maybe worse.