Who do the Flyers have that other teams will want to significantly change the roster?

Tell me what prospects are legitimately knocking on the door for a spot. Jett may make it by default. He hasn’t blown the doors off anyone.
- furio16

They have other prospects that might have value to a team. York has value despite the recent Torts musings. Briere wants to be really bold he could try and move TK and Sanheim. I'm well aware Sanheim and TK both have NTCs. Realistically, did you believe Laughton was worth a 1st round and a prospect? If you did, then this roster has a lot of value because there are plenty of players on the current roster better then Laughton. Again, how bold will Briere be going forward will determine the success of the rebuild. He was not bold stripping the roster down to acquire as many top 5 picks as possible. Now he has to be bold in the trade market to build the roster with some of the prospects making contributions. All these moves will be done over the next 2 seasons. If the expectation is for all this to be done by the start of opening day next season, not realistic. However, reshaping the roster has to start this summer. Comcast wants to keep the building full, standing pat is not going to cut it. Attendance- 18.405 last night is not close to capacity.

Who do the Flyers have that other teams will want to significantly change the roster?

Tell me what prospects are legitimately knocking on the door for a spot. Jett may make it by default. He hasn’t blown the doors off anyone.
- furio16

Some people get high on their own supply

They may as well use their accumulation of picks, which other than their own are not in prime spots anyway.

Use those picks to try to bring in some real higher end talent.

The Flyers scouting department is absolute dogpoop, and picking a few more guys in a 20-30 range isn’t going to move the needle for this organization.

Briere needs to not be as complacent as Fletcher here, and soon. He’s got some good standing just being a new face (which he really isn’t) - but that’s going to run out.

Another missed playoff next year, and he’s going to be closer to being out on his ass.

It’s clear they plan to use free agency, and that trade market. I don’t agree with that approach, but this was never a proper rebuild anyway - so hopefully he can figure it out.

They have other prospects that might have value to a team. York has value despite the recent Torts musings. Briere wants to be really bold he could try and move TK and Sanheim. I'm well aware Sanheim and TK both have NTCs. Realistically, did you believe Laughton was worth a 1st round and a prospect? If you did, then this roster has a lot of value because there are plenty of players on the current roster better then Laughton. Again, how bold will Briere be going forward will determine the success of the rebuild. He was not bold stripping the roster down to acquire as many top 5 picks as possible. Now he has to be bold in the trade market to build the roster with some of the prospects making contributions. All these moves will be done over the next 2 seasons. If the expectation is for all this to be done by the start of opening day next season, not realistic. However, reshaping the roster has to start this summer. Comcast wants to keep the building full, standing pat is not going to cut it. Attendance- 18.405 last night is not close to capacity.
- Trox88

Sanheim is going nowhere until his no movement clause in up in two more seasons. I think there will be a York trade and a decent UFA signing this summer. Maybe they flip a -st for someone else. There isn’t going to be the makeover fans are expecting.

Sanheim is going nowhere until his no movement clause in up in two more seasons. I think there will be a York trade and a decent UFA signing this summer. Maybe they flip a -st for someone else. There isn’t going to be the makeover fans are expecting.
- psuhockey

if you makeover the roster then The Culture® that has been cultivated is gone. We all know that you can not succeed in the NHL without the proper culture

They have other prospects that might have value to a team. York has value despite the recent Torts musings. Briere wants to be really bold he could try and move TK and Sanheim. I'm well aware Sanheim and TK both have NTCs. Realistically, did you believe Laughton was worth a 1st round and a prospect? If you did, then this roster has a lot of value because there are plenty of players on the current roster better then Laughton. Again, how bold will Briere be going forward will determine the success of the rebuild. He was not bold stripping the roster down to acquire as many top 5 picks as possible. Now he has to be bold in the trade market to build the roster with some of the prospects making contributions. All these moves will be done over the next 2 seasons. If the expectation is for all this to be done by the start of opening day next season, not realistic. However, reshaping the roster has to start this summer. Comcast wants to keep the building full, standing pat is not going to cut it. Attendance- 18.405 last night is not close to capacity.
- Trox88

What prospects can they trade to alter the makeup of the team. Laughable to even suggest they would even entertain for a second moving either Travis. They do not have the pieces to drastically alter the roster unless the move their own pick plus.

Reshaping the roster should have started when he was hired. Not 2+ years after.

They may as well use their accumulation of picks, which other than their own are not in prime spots anyway.

Use those picks to try to bring in some real higher end talent.

The Flyers scouting department is absolute dogpoop, and picking a few more guys in a 20-30 range isn’t going to move the needle for this organization.

Briere needs to not be as complacent as Fletcher here, and soon. He’s got some good standing just being a new face (which he really isn’t) - but that’s going to run out.

Another missed playoff next year, and he’s going to be closer to being out on his ass.

It’s clear they plan to use free agency, and that trade market. I don’t agree with that approach, but this was never a proper rebuild anyway - so hopefully he can figure it out.
- flyer_nutter

There is going to be opportunities to do stuff this summer but they don’t have a lot to trade. Buffalo, Anaheim, Utah, Detroit and Seattle are all going to want to get into the playoffs next year. Minnesota is going to try and convince Kaprisov to resign and will try to load up their roster. LA after likely losing in the 1st round again is ready to do something stupid. I could even see Chicago ready to add. Boston and Vancouver will want to bounce back and St Louis is all over the place as far as picking a direction. But again the Flyers don’t have a lot to sell. York, Ristolainen and maybe Tippett. Everyone else is mistakenly off limits.

They have other prospects that might have value to a team. York has value despite the recent Torts musings. Briere wants to be really bold he could try and move TK and Sanheim. I'm well aware Sanheim and TK both have NTCs. Realistically, did you believe Laughton was worth a 1st round and a prospect? If you did, then this roster has a lot of value because there are plenty of players on the current roster better then Laughton. Again, how bold will Briere be going forward will determine the success of the rebuild. He was not bold stripping the roster down to acquire as many top 5 picks as possible. Now he has to be bold in the trade market to build the roster with some of the prospects making contributions. All these moves will be done over the next 2 seasons. If the expectation is for all this to be done by the start of opening day next season, not realistic. However, reshaping the roster has to start this summer. Comcast wants to keep the building full, standing pat is not going to cut it. Attendance- 18.405 last night is not close to capacity.
- Trox88

Yes, it looked pretty empty last night, especially in the balcony. It's interesting how Briere will approach this off season. He doesn't seem to really want to get as high a pick as possible. I say this because he mentioned on Flyers daily yesterday he is hoping the team can get more wins, which to me seemed like an odd response given Briere has 7 picks in the first two rounds of this draft. Even if Briere didn't like the players at the top of this draft all that much, and from what I hear none of them are projected to be elite, other than the D Schaefer. I would think Briere still would want to lose as much as possible to get the highest pick, just to maximize the value of the pick if Briere planned on trading them. He reiterated yesterday there is a plan and they are following it. I can't wait to see what that plan is, because how valuable is having 7 picks in a draft class that does not have elite potential?

Sanheim is going nowhere until his no movement clause in up in two more seasons. I think there will be a York trade and a decent UFA signing this summer. Maybe they flip a -st for someone else. There isn’t going to be the makeover fans are expecting.
- psuhockey

Even if only happens what you have written, that in itself is pretty major renovations. It started with Frost and Farabee, then moving Laughton. Of course, more needs to be done. Moving a Dman who is second in ice time is a pretty big deal who is under 25. A major piece better be coming back or it will be horrible asset management. When teams move 1st rounders in the summer, it usually is for players who they identify to be major contributors to the team for awhile. If those 2 things happen, then it shows me Briere is not nearly done reshaping the roster. No idea if all the moves that have happened or will happen works- who knows. Example- Grebenkin could be the next Coburn type prospect acquired or Pavel Brendl.

On a somewhat separate note, Laughton not off to a great start in TOR. Wish him the best, but a trade Briere needed to get done and hopefully the team benefits from.

Yes, it looked pretty empty last night, especially in the balcony. It's interesting how Briere will approach this off season. He doesn't seem to really want to get as high a pick as possible. I say this because he mentioned on Flyers daily yesterday he is hoping the team can get more wins, which to me seemed like an odd response given Briere has 7 picks in the first two rounds of this draft. Even if Briere didn't like the players at the top of this draft all that much, and from what I hear none of them are projected to be elite, other than the D Schaefer. I would think Briere still would want to lose as much as possible to get the highest pick, just to maximize the value of the pick if Briere planned on trading them. He reiterated yesterday there is a plan and they are following it. I can't wait to see what that plan is, because how valuable is having 7 picks in a draft class that does not have elite potential?
- jd250

Briere is a bozo.

There is no plan. Their plan is take it day by day. The franchise altering 2025 draft.

There is going to be opportunities to do stuff this summer but they don’t have a lot to trade. Buffalo, Anaheim, Utah, Detroit and Seattle are all going to want to get into the playoffs next year. Minnesota is going to try and convince Kaprisov to resign and will try to load up their roster. LA after likely losing in the 1st round again is ready to do something stupid. I could even see Chicago ready to add. Boston and Vancouver will want to bounce back and St Louis is all over the place as far as picking a direction. But again the Flyers don’t have a lot to sell. York, Ristolainen and maybe Tippett. Everyone else is mistakenly off limits.
- psuhockey

Briere's head will be spinning come week and week of the draft,

What prospects can they trade to alter the makeup of the team. Laughable to even suggest they would even entertain for a second moving either Travis. They do not have the pieces to drastically alter the roster unless the move their own pick plus.

Reshaping the roster should have started when he was hired. Not 2+ years after.
- furio16

So you don't think Foerster and Cates on the roster currently have value? Now if the argument is Briere will never move them is a separate issue. York has no value? Bonk, Luchanko, and Zavargin have no value. Again, not willing to move players because a GM deems players untouchable has nothing to do with value. Look at Vegas and all the trades they have done to shape the roster. McCrimmon did not trade garbage to acquire players like Eichel, Stone, Hertl, and Hanifan. He was bold and used all assets at his disposal.

Even if only happens what you have written, that in itself is pretty major renovations. It started with Frost and Farabee, then moving Laughton. Of course, more needs to be done. Moving a Dman who is second in ice time is a pretty big deal who is under 25. A major piece better be coming back or it will be horrible asset management. When teams move 1st rounders in the summer, it usually is for players who they identify to be major contributors to the team for awhile. If those 2 things happen, then it shows me Briere is not nearly done reshaping the roster. No idea if all the moves that have happened or will happen works- who knows. Example- Grebenkin could be the next Coburn type prospect acquired or Pavel Brendl.

On a somewhat separate note, Laughton not off to a great start in TOR. Wish him the best, but a trade Briere needed to get done and hopefully the team benefits from.
- Trox88

The coach is going to be the sign of what they will do this summer. If Tortorella is the coach after the end of the season, it’s going to be a pretty quiet offseason. If he’s fired up into an advisor role they are going after a big fish free agent.

Briere is a bozo.

There is no plan. Their plan is take it day by day. The franchise altering 2025 draft.
- furio16

100% agree

The coach is going to be the sign of what they will do this summer. If Tortorella is the coach after the end of the season, it’s going to be a pretty quiet offseason. If he’s fired up into an advisor role they are going after a big fish free agent.
- psuhockey

I agree the Torts decision will be a huge factor. It sure seems like Torts is willing to die on the hill for Rocky.

So you don't think Foerster and Cates on the roster currently have value? Now if the argument is Briere will never move them is a separate issue. York has no value? Bonk, Luchanko, and Zavargin have no value. Again, not willing to move players because a GM deems players untouchable has nothing to do with value. Look at Vegas and all the trades they have done to shape the roster. McCrimmon did not trade garbage to acquire players like Eichel, Stone, Hertl, and Hanifan. He was bold and used all assets at his disposal.
- Trox88

Yes they have value. Not the value to bring you back an elite or all star level player. York same thing as those 2. What do you really expect back by trading those players?

Again those 3 prospects have value, not franchise altering value. They are all unknowns. What value you think that goalie has? Not much to me. Bonk offensively took big step back this year.

Yes they have value. Not the value to bring you back an elite or all star level player. York same thing as those 2. What do you really expect back by trading those players?

Again those 3 prospects have value, not franchise altering value. They are all unknowns. What value you think that goalie has? Not much to me. Bonk offensively took big step back this year.
- furio16

Everyone has an opinion on value of players, which is fine. From your view, the players mentioned cannot be used in any combination to get a potentially elite player from another team. I disagree and maybe I will be proven wrong over time. I am confident in my view with the salary cap significantly increasing over the next few years will lead to more player for player trades especially for teams who have been in purgatory for years. Also, I strongly believe not all teams will be willing to spend to the cap ceiling going forward and will have an internal budget lower then the ceiling. Again, potentially more players available for trade. Whether Briere can be involved and capitalize on these situations is TBD.

Everyone has an opinion on value of players, which is fine. From your view, the players mentioned cannot be used in any combination to get a potentially elite player from another team. I disagree and maybe I will be proven wrong over time. I am confident in my view with the salary cap significantly increasing over the next few years will lead to more player for player trades especially for teams who have been in purgatory for years. Also, I strongly believe not all teams will be willing to spend to the cap ceiling going forward and will have an internal budget lower then the ceiling. Again, potentially more players available for trade. Whether Briere can be involved and capitalize on these situations is TBD.
- Trox88

Correct to an extent. Potentially is a big window. They wont get anyone currently elite. Will believe it when I see it.

Everyone has an opinion on value of players, which is fine. From your view, the players mentioned cannot be used in any combination to get a potentially elite player from another team. I disagree and maybe I will be proven wrong over time. I am confident in my view with the salary cap significantly increasing over the next few years will lead to more player for player trades especially for teams who have been in purgatory for years. Also, I strongly believe not all teams will be willing to spend to the cap ceiling going forward and will have an internal budget lower then the ceiling. Again, potentially more players available for trade. Whether Briere can be involved and capitalize on these situations is TBD.
- Trox88

Cap goes up.
Ticket prices go up
Merch goes up
Consessions go up
PROFITS go up

Teams will spend to the cap or slightly under same as now. The margins won’t move much if any

These players you’d want to obtain rarely are available and almost always a high high high price to land them. Look at necas trade. The flyers simply do not have this huge abundant amount of assets to obtain all these pieces even if they want to or they were available. Yes surely they have enough assets to obtain a few but what does that lead you with after? A team with mm and few high end players but nothing else? With no assets to improve. That is even worse then the position they are in now

Correct to an extent. Potentially is a big window. They wont get anyone currently elite. Will believe it when I see it.
- furio16

I can see them moving a piece or 2 at draft to clear a little more space then way overpaying on a free agent ala Kevin Hayes style and building a year or 2 marketing campaign around mm and said player with the hint of the draft picks taken over last few seasons (luch/this years) and riding that gravy train for a few years. The jd of fan base will eat it up. Strong attendance at beginning of season. Sth holding on with false hope emptying their high inflation dollars wishing for yesteryear. Eating up gritty antics only to fade as season goes along until tdl arrives and underwhelmed yet again and regretfully going to the last few home games of season stupidly cheering useless goals that only (frank)ed them out of draft position to rebuild the mess the right way. Only to have to re up them sth prices the next year. Wash rinse repeat

I can see them moving a piece or 2 at draft to clear a little more space then way overpaying on a free agent ala Kevin Hayes style and building a year or 2 marketing campaign around mm and said player with the hint of the draft picks taken over last few seasons (luch/this years) and riding that gravy train for a few years. The jd of fan base will eat it up. Strong attendance at beginning of season. Sth holding on with false hope emptying their high inflation dollars wishing for yesteryear. Eating up gritty antics only to fade as season goes along until tdl arrives and underwhelmed yet again and regretfully going to the last few home games of season stupidly cheering useless goals that only (frank)ed them out of draft position to rebuild the mess the right way. Only to have to re up them sth prices the next year. Wash rinse repeat
- Stayin alive

What piece will they move? They love their roster. They never sell high.

I myself see them going for a goalie via a trade; who have no idea (Binnington?). In their small mind if they had an average goalie they are in business.

So you don't think Foerster and Cates on the roster currently have value? Now if the argument is Briere will never move them is a separate issue. York has no value? Bonk, Luchanko, and Zavargin have no value. Again, not willing to move players because a GM deems players untouchable has nothing to do with value. Look at Vegas and all the trades they have done to shape the roster. McCrimmon did not trade garbage to acquire players like Eichel, Stone, Hertl, and Hanifan. He was bold and used all assets at his disposal.
- Trox88

Yes, they have value. But we have to be realistic here and understand they don't have Jack Eichel, Stone, Hertl, Hanifan value. At least, IMO they don't. The Flyers just simply dont have the value in assets to acquire players like that. Even the 1st for Laughton is at best in the mid to upper 20's. In most drafts that is a second or 3rd line player unless they get very lucky. This team needs multiple elite players and they have no realistic path to get them as long as they continue on this path.

Cap goes up.
Ticket prices go up
Merch goes up
Consessions go up
PROFITS go up

Teams will spend to the cap or slightly under same as now. The margins won’t move much if any

These players you’d want to obtain rarely are available and almost always a high high high price to land them. Look at necas trade. The flyers simply do not have this huge abundant amount of assets to obtain all these pieces even if they want to or they were available. Yes surely they have enough assets to obtain a few but what does that lead you with after? A team with mm and few high end players but nothing else? With no assets to improve. That is even worse then the position they are in now
- Stayin alive

It is your belief teams like Utah, Winnipeg, San Jose, Buffalo, and other organizations who are already in the lower third of attendance will be able to spend within few million dollars of the cap ceiling with projected cap for the '26 season at $104 million and '27 season $113.5 million (according to Puckpedia). The cap this year is $88 million. I will disagree that all clubs will just be able to just pass the additional expenses to its customers and hope to maintain current attendance levels, merchandise sales, etc., which are already lagging behind the rest of the league.

As far as assets currently within the organization not being good enough to trade for another team to give anything back. Again, that's your opinion, which if it turns out be correct, then they wil remain in purgatory no doubt.

Who do the Flyers have that other teams will want to significantly change the roster?

Tell me what prospects are legitimately knocking on the door for a spot. Jett may make it by default. He hasn’t blown the doors off anyone.
- furio16

Are you keeping track of all the prospects in North America and in other countries?

Assuming Philly isn't on his no trade list, the biggest absolute no brainer move for Briere and Co to make is to try and get John Gibson from Anaheim this summer.

I'd offer any of our acquired 1sts with one of our 2nd round picks or a decent prospect and see what the Ducks say. Considering his talent, experience level and the fact that he has a perfect stop gap contract, I'd even be willing to offer two of our acquired firsts if it means the Ducks add in a pick or another mid prospect coming back.