I think the only way that happens is via some kind of backroom handshake deal involving a lucrative job in the organization after he retires as a player. He agrees to a major hometeam discount to play his last few years out and then becomes assistant director of scouting or director of player development, corporate community ambassador, or some such.
- GalacticStone

Tavares won't be 35 on July 1st, 2025 which could leave the door open to some cap trickery if they structure it properly.

"All marner's fault"
- Fakepartofme

Maybe not, but he's literally the only move we can make to drastically change the direction of the team. We've committed to Matthews and Nylander.

Again, letting a player in his prime walk and signing broken, end of their career players would be the most dumbass Leafy thing I've ever seen.

If the Leafs want to "change" something, keep changing the depth players and over the hill players and rebuild the supporting cast.
- Rare_Jewel

and if you can't afford said player or sign said player for say 13m, you be complaining about the bottom 6 not being good enough because you'll be correct as they could sign lesser players to fill roles that are needed on this team.

and if you can't afford said player or sign said player for say 13m, you be complaining about the bottom 6 not being good enough because you'll be correct as they could sign lesser players to fill roles that are needed on this team.

- dmnted

Very simple math here.

Re-sign Knies and Marner. Tell Tavares to take a hike.

Keep the guys under 30. Get rid of the guys over 30. Only sign old guys if they're dirt cheap.

and if you can't afford said player or sign said player for say 13m, you be complaining about the bottom 6 not being good enough because you'll be correct as they could sign lesser players to fill roles that are needed on this team.

- dmnted

Another issue that's coming is Mathew Knies. His entry level deal is about to expire and he'll be looking for a large contract. This guy is a playoff warrior and really is an untouchable going forward. Do you force him into a bridge deal for less or give him the 8 year deal at a lower AAV?

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- senstroll

The games 5, 6, 7 argument is simplistic - it ignores the crux of what's being argued - when elimination is on the line, who steps up? Game 5 isn't necessarily an elimination game - a series can be tied 2-2. Game 4 can be an elimination game because you can be up or down 3-0.

I've said this before in series clinching games too many players on the team vanish.



This isn't any more flattering to Marner - but it's an indictment of this entire core; for me it's particularly Matthews that I need to see step up and be the top-3 player in the world people keep claiming he is. But this team's failure in Game 7 is not a Mitch Marner problem:

Matthews in Game 7: 5GP, 0G, 3A, -2
Marner in Game 7: 5GP, 0G, 3A, -2
Nylander in Game 7: 5GP, 0G, 3A, -2
Tavares in Game 7: 3GP, 1G, 0A, -2

Another issue that's coming is Mathew Knies. His entry level deal is about to expire and he'll be looking for a large contract. This guy is a playoff warrior and really is an untouchable going forward. Do you force him into a bridge deal for less or give him the 8 year deal at a lower AAV?
- PrinceLH

Matthew "the playoff warrior" Knies has 7 playoff points in 14 playoff games with 3 playoff goals. Zero series won.

The games 5, 6, 7 argument is simplistic - it ignores the crux of what's being argued - when elimination is on the line, who steps up? Game 5 isn't necessarily an elimination game - a series can be tied 2-2. Game 4 can be an elimination game because you can be up or down 3-0.

I've said this before in series clinching games too many players on the team vanish.



This isn't any more flattering to Marner - but it's an indictment of this entire core; for me it's particularly Matthews that I need to see step up and be the top-3 player in the world people keep claiming he is. But this team's failure in Game 7 is not a Mitch Marner problem:

Matthews in Game 7: 5GP, 0G, 3A, -2
Marner in Game 7: 5GP, 0G, 3A, -2
Nylander in Game 7: 5GP, 0G, 3A, -2
Tavares in Game 7: 3GP, 1G, 0A, -2
- Monkeypunk

Jesus christ that's not pretty.

Clinching - My Anus

Very simple math here.

Re-sign Knies and Marner. Tell Tavares to take a hike.

Keep the guys under 30. Get rid of the guys over 30. Only sign old guys if they're dirt cheap.
- Rare_Jewel

Marner by his actions clearly does not care if he signs here.. He is looking for the most money he can get.

He shares an agent with Bennet and they are negotiating in season which means it is the Marner camp that does not want to negotiate. Tre's willingness to trade him shows he believes that he will not likely sign.

Most likely outcome at the end of the season is that the Leafs trade his rights to a Team to allow them to add the extra year.

Jesus christ that's not pretty.
- Scabeh

And yet, Marner, the guy who can't win elimination games, has the most GWG of the bunch even though Marner is a playmaker. If his #1 shooter can't hit the target, he could do everything correct and still be viewed as the problem.

Marner by his actions clearly does not care if he signs here.. He is looking for the most money he can get.

He shares an agent with Bennet and they are negotiating in season which means it is the Marner camp that does not want to negotiate. Tre's willingness to trade him shows he believes that he will not likely sign.

Most likely outcome at the end of the season is that the Leafs trade his rights to a Team to allow them to add the extra year.
- Azuredoom

Several incorrect things here.

Every single player maximizes the amount of money they can get. If they didn't, Tavares, Matthews and Nylander would be playing for 900K instead of 10-15 million dollars a year.

Marner doesn't have the benefit of living in the US like Matthews and Tavares (he claims he does for his taxes). That means his final take home dollars are different than what you care about which is cap hit.

The Leafs didn't make a good enough offer when they had the chance. Now, they are paying the price for not realizing Marner is every bit as good as he said he was prior to this season.

The "trading" Marner came at the request of the Hurricanes. Treliving would be an idiot not to investigate the possibility. It's his job to do so.

Another issue that's coming is Mathew Knies. His entry level deal is about to expire and he'll be looking for a large contract. This guy is a playoff warrior and really is an untouchable going forward. Do you force him into a bridge deal for less or give him the 8 year deal at a lower AAV?
- PrinceLH

I've stated earlier the Leafs should offer a 6year deal @ 6.5M cap hit.

Marner by his actions clearly does not care if he signs here.. He is looking for the most money he can get.

He shares an agent with Bennet and they are negotiating in season which means it is the Marner camp that does not want to negotiate. Tre's willingness to trade him shows he believes that he will not likely sign.

Most likely outcome at the end of the season is that the Leafs trade his rights to a Team to allow them to add the extra year.
- Azuredoom

If Marner nixed a trade to Carolina at the TDL and then signs with Carolina in free agency, he'll be public enemy #1 for the rest of his career.

Not saying he cares, just an interesting development.

If Marner nixed a trade to Carolina at the TDL and then signs with Carolina in free agency, he'll be public enemy #1 for the rest of his career.

Not saying he cares, just an interesting development.
- Whipper

Pulling a Sundin huh?

The games 5, 6, 7 argument is simplistic - it ignores the crux of what's being argued - when elimination is on the line, who steps up? Game 5 isn't necessarily an elimination game - a series can be tied 2-2. Game 4 can be an elimination game because you can be up or down 3-0.

I've said this before in series clinching games too many players on the team vanish.



This isn't any more flattering to Marner - but it's an indictment of this entire core; for me it's particularly Matthews that I need to see step up and be the top-3 player in the world people keep claiming he is. But this team's failure in Game 7 is not a Mitch Marner problem:

Matthews in Game 7: 5GP, 0G, 3A, -2
Marner in Game 7: 5GP, 0G, 3A, -2
Nylander in Game 7: 5GP, 0G, 3A, -2
Tavares in Game 7: 3GP, 1G, 0A, -2
- Monkeypunk

you just have to watch the series as they get tougher and less calls are made...mitchy turns into a jittery softy.

also gwg kinda a dumb stat.

I've stated earlier the Leafs should over a 6year deal @ 6.5M cap hit.

- dmnted

That's a crazy gamble on a kid who has played 2 full seasons, is having a career high season and that season is currently at 24 goals and 43 points.

Dylan Cozens got 7x7 for one 30 goal season and that aged very poorly.

Nylander got a 6 year, 7.5 AAV deal on his 2nd contract, after two 20 goal, 60 point seasons and then held out.

Knies should get a bridge deal, 3 years, 5 AAV. He gets a significant raise and the Leafs get 3 years for the cap to go up and have him prove himself worthy of a long term contract.

If Knies wants a 5+ year contract, it has to be like Lawson Crouse which is 4.3 AAV.

If Marner nixed a trade to Carolina at the TDL and then signs with Carolina in free agency, he'll be public enemy #1 for the rest of his career.

Not saying he cares, just an interesting development.
- Whipper

If he walks at all after saying no, he’ll be up in the public enemy top 10 especially after an early playoff exit. At the end of the day, he’ll have to decide how much the extra money means to him.

The games 5, 6, 7 argument is simplistic - it ignores the crux of what's being argued - when elimination is on the line, who steps up? Game 5 isn't necessarily an elimination game - a series can be tied 2-2. Game 4 can be an elimination game because you can be up or down 3-0.

I've said this before in series clinching games too many players on the team vanish.



This isn't any more flattering to Marner - but it's an indictment of this entire core; for me it's particularly Matthews that I need to see step up and be the top-3 player in the world people keep claiming he is. But this team's failure in Game 7 is not a Mitch Marner problem:

Matthews in Game 7: 5GP, 0G, 3A, -2
Marner in Game 7: 5GP, 0G, 3A, -2
Nylander in Game 7: 5GP, 0G, 3A, -2
Tavares in Game 7: 3GP, 1G, 0A, -2
- Monkeypunk

maybe I am misunderstanding, but how can the leafs have all those game winning goals in clinching games?

doesnt JT have the only winning goal in a series clinching game?

Pulling a Sundin huh?
- Scabeh

Too soon.

That'll never not be too soon.

Mitch has 2 gwg in the playoffs, one in 2018 and 2019
so hes gone 43 playoff games in a row without a gwg.

if we are giving credit for that. which is...lame

maybe I am misunderstanding, but how can the leafs have all those game winning goals in clinching games?

doesnt JT have the only winning goal in a series clinching game?
- senstroll

A series can be clinched one way or the other. Winning game 4 against Florida in round two is still a series clinching game.

maybe I am misunderstanding, but how can the leafs have all those game winning goals in clinching games?

doesnt JT have the only winning goal in a series clinching game?
- senstroll

the only one I can remember for the Leafs is when he scored to eliminated TB.

If he walks at all after saying no, he’ll be up in the public enemy top 10 especially after an early playoff exit. At the end of the day, he’ll have to decide how much the extra money means to him.
- Canada Cup

anyone know where he parks his vehicle?

If he walks at all after saying no, he’ll be up in the public enemy top 10 especially after an early playoff exit. At the end of the day, he’ll have to decide how much the extra money means to him.
- Canada Cup

In all honesty, I don't think he wants to play anywhere else, and I don't believe he will play anywhere else. What remains to be seen, is just how painful his next cap hit is going to be.