Athletic ownership ranking released. As voted by fans of the teams.

Flyers come in at a stellar 26th out of 32 teams.


https://www.nytimes.com/a...ner-rankings-2025-mirtle/

The Flyers have unbelievably only made it out of the first round once since 2012, a span of 13 seasons of futility that is more pronounced than anything that’s come before in their long, storied franchise history.

That, understandably, does not sit well with a very passionate fan base, which did not hold back in our survey. The Flyers’ worst marks were reserved for “organizational stability,” where they ranked 28th. Many fans also complained about having corporate ownership after the passing of Ed Snider in 2016 and some of the management mistakes under previous regimes.

Fan perspective: “The lack of vision has been apparent for years and the team’s wallowing in mediocrity is a direct result of ownership refusing to tear it down and rebuild properly.”

“They need to spend less time concerned about doing things ‘the Flyers way’ and more time concerned about doing things the best way.”

Maybe more people are starting to wake up.

disagree as he was waived and could have had him for free. makes it look worse to me.
- hello it's me 2050

No offense but they aren’t trying to sell it to you. They are trying to sell it to the large part of the paying fan base that liked the Tortorella hire. Those fans don’t really know Pelletier was on waivers earlier in the year; they just hear former 1st round pick.

Athletic ownership ranking released. As voted by fans of the teams.

Flyers come in at a stellar 26th out of 32 teams.


https://www.nytimes.com/a...ner-rankings-2025-mirtle/




Maybe more people are starting to wake up.
- MBFlyerfan

It would take ownership to hold the Flyer family accountable for actual changes.

They had a chance to do so after Fletcher, but ironically doubled down on the same ol’ approaches of the Flyer family.

Comcast is the issue. I’m excited for the day when a new ownership group comes in, which is where my hope lies. Comcast has allowed this to be a team run by incompetent people.

We are on GM number 3 since Snider passed no?

It would take ownership to hold the Flyer family accountable for actual changes.

They had a chance to do so after Fletcher, but ironically doubled down on the same ol’ approaches of the Flyer family.

Comcast is the issue. I’m excited for the day when a new ownership group comes in, which is where my hope lies. Comcast has allowed this to be a team run by incompetent people.

We are on GM number 3 since Snider passed no?
- flyer_nutter

Comcast needs to wake up at some point and flush the entire group down the drain. If they do that and hire competent hockey people they can turn this around. It is that simple. Now will they ever do that? Right now doesn't seem like it.

They are never ever going to sell as they want the arena. No one will buy unless the arena comes with it. Flyers are a drop in the bucket to comcast.

Comcast needs to wake up at some point and flush the entire group down the drain. If they do that and hire competent hockey people they can turn this around. It is that simple. Now will they ever do that? Right now doesn't seem like it.

They are never ever going to sell as they want the arena. No one will buy unless the arena comes with it. Flyers are a drop in the bucket to comcast.
- hello it's me 2050

I sadly can’t see them doing part one.

They are incredibly concerned with optics. The Flyer family cried when Hextall didn’t allow them to have the same influence.

They cried when Camillo tried to change some things, and modernize them.

It will take an ownership group that doesn’t cater to the wails of the alumni, and long tenured members of the organization.

Don’t know who that is, and if they don’t sell. Hilferty sure as hell isn’t the answer. That’s president number 2 that’s an idiot.

1 point back of 5th overall, cant wait for my excitement to be snuffed out by the Lottery Draft

1 point back of 5th overall, cant wait for my excitement to be snuffed out by the Lottery Draft
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

With our luck we will get to 5th and then lose on both drawings and fall to 7th while the Penguins pick 1st.

A few things in our favor as Seattle has one more win and is crushing us on all the tiebreakers such as RW and ROW.

But Im not counting on it.

Athletic ownership ranking released. As voted by fans of the teams.

Flyers come in at a stellar 26th out of 32 teams.


https://www.nytimes.com/a...ner-rankings-2025-mirtle/




Maybe more people are starting to wake up.
- MBFlyerfan

Good stuff but will be explained away by the brainwashed same as the players poll on teams and coaches was earlier in the year.

Tomahawk had a great suggestion bringing Pronger in. Yes he is a former player but he could be a firewall between the alumni club and finally doing things the right way. No one would have the balls to get in his face about anything. Question is if Pronger actually thinks correctly or was just providing bait on Twitter.

Good stuff but will be explained away by the brainwashed same as the players poll on teams and coaches was earlier in the year.

Tomahawk had a great suggestion bringing Pronger in. Yes he is a former player but he could be a firewall between the alumni club and finally doing things the right way. No one would have the balls to get in his face about anything. Question is if Pronger actually thinks correctly or was just providing bait on Twitter.
- StepfordSam

Id like Pronger as well as Timonen. The biggest obstacle for the Flyers though is always going to be comcast. You can tell Briere knows a tear down is needed when he talks about the missing talent. Concast is not going to let that happene because a tear down means a less competitive team and less money. Comcast doesnt care about winning. All they care about is profit.

Briere avoids calling it tanking but based on his actions hes built this team by doing as little as posible. He has subtracted but never really added. Im not just talking about UFAs, He could have easily just traded assets for huys to make the team better. He has not done that. He also could hav done the same as fletcher and give away assets to move contracts. He hasnt done that as well.

The reality is he hasnt really gone out of his way to make the team better right now. Everything he has done has been about the future. That to me is kind of like trying to tank without being obvious about it. Brieres handling of this team is far different than Fletcher. Fletcher had no issues going out and adding players to make the team "better" aka Braun, Niskanen, DeAngelo, Ristolainen ect. He had no issues paying to dump contracts like Ghost. Briere has also stated this offseason despite actually having the money to actually spend in the UFA market, they are not likely to do so. Unlike Fletcher who thre Money at Hayes for example.

Id like Pronger as well as Timonen. The biggest obstacle for the Flyers though is always going to be comcast. You can tell Briere knows a tear down is needed when he talks about the missing talent. Concast is not going to let that happene because a tear down means a less competitive team and less money. Comcast doesnt care about winning. All they care about is profit.

Briere avoids calling it tanking but based on his actions hes built this team by doing as little as posible. He has subtracted but never really added. Im not just talking about UFAs, He could have easily just traded assets for huys to make the team better. He has not done that. He also could hav done the same as fletcher and give away assets to move contracts. He hasnt done that as well.

The reality is he hasnt really gone out of his way to make the team better right now. Everything he has done has been about the future. That to me is kind of like trying to tank without being obvious about it. Brieres handling of this team is far different than Fletcher. Fletcher had no issues going out and adding players to make the team "better" aka Braun, Niskanen, DeAngelo, Ristolainen ect. He had no issues paying to dump contracts like Ghost. Briere has also stated this offseason despite actually having the money to actually spend in the UFA market, they are not likely to do so. Unlike Fletcher who thre Money at Hayes for example.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Do you think he people at Comcast who run the Flyers are smart business people? yes or no will suffice.

Do you think he people at Comcast who run the Flyers are smart business people? yes or no will suffice.
- hello it's me 2050

They wouldnt own a business if they werent smart. Not sure its relevant. At the end of the day the team is profitable as long as they are good enough. They dont need a cup winning team, just one that can get into the playoffs. It is like the Maple Leafs of the past. The product just has to be good enough to make money.

The Athletic survey is flawed IMO too. Flyers are 23rd in willingness to spend which is def bull. This org has had no issues spending and overpaying.

They wouldnt own a business if they werent smart. Not sure its relevant. At the end of the day the team is profitable as long as they are good enough. They dont need a cup winning team, just one that can get into the playoffs. It is like the Maple Leafs of the past. The product just has to be good enough to make money.

The Athletic survey is flawed IMO too. Flyers are 23rd in willingness to spend which is def bull. This org has had no issues spending and overpaying.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Spending money is irrelevant in a cap league. That’s where the Flyers lost their advantage, and have never accepted that you need to draft your high end core.

They aren’t successfully going to find their high end talent through trades or UFA.

The survey is bang on imo. They are more concerned with doing things the Flyers way, than the right way. Or more importantly with the Flyer family - instead of different minded external people.

They are on par with acumen right alongside Buffalo.

San Jose is going to lap them soon enough. The Devils already did so. As did Ottawa, and then list goes on.

I’d bet good money that Pittsburgh is back to a contender before the Flyers.

They wouldnt own a business if they werent smart. Not sure its relevant. At the end of the day the team is profitable as long as they are good enough. They dont need a cup winning team, just one that can get into the playoffs. It is like the Maple Leafs of the past. The product just has to be good enough to make money.

The Athletic survey is flawed IMO too. Flyers are 23rd in willingness to spend which is def bull. This org has had no issues spending and overpaying.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

that's not true though I will guess your answer is yes.

that being said smart people know winning will lead to more profits. more sustained profits much more over the failed plan they have in place today and since comcast took over. Comcast has no issue tearing it down. the people they hired do. All about pride and the flyer "way". They make the hockey decisions. Comcast just hires complete dopes.

Spending money is irrelevant in a cap league. That’s where the Flyers lost their advantage, and have never accepted that you need to draft your high end core.

They aren’t successfully going to find their high end talent through trades or UFA.

The survey is bang on imo. They are more concerned with doing things the Flyers way, than the right way. Or more importantly with the Flyer family - instead of different minded external people.

They are on par with acumen right alongside Buffalo.

San Jose is going to lap them soon enough. The Devils already did so. As did Ottawa, and then list goes on.

I’d bet good money that Pittsburgh is back to a contender before the Flyers.
- flyer_nutter

Buffalo, flyers, and isles are just flat out bad management.

Buffalo, flyers, and isles are just flat out bad management.
- hello it's me 2050

Which is honestly why I don’t blame Gauthier one second.

That was a moment for self reflection but they chose a public smearing campaign instead.

He made the right call for his own development. Talent doesn’t flourish in Philadelphia.

Id like Pronger as well as Timonen. The biggest obstacle for the Flyers though is always going to be comcast. You can tell Briere knows a tear down is needed when he talks about the missing talent. Concast is not going to let that happene because a tear down means a less competitive team and less money. Comcast doesnt care about winning. All they care about is profit.

Briere avoids calling it tanking but based on his actions hes built this team by doing as little as posible. He has subtracted but never really added. Im not just talking about UFAs, He could have easily just traded assets for huys to make the team better. He has not done that. He also could hav done the same as fletcher and give away assets to move contracts. He hasnt done that as well.

The reality is he hasnt really gone out of his way to make the team better right now. Everything he has done has been about the future. That to me is kind of like trying to tank without being obvious about it. Brieres handling of this team is far different than Fletcher. Fletcher had no issues going out and adding players to make the team "better" aka Braun, Niskanen, DeAngelo, Ristolainen ect. He had no issues paying to dump contracts like Ghost. Briere has also stated this offseason despite actually having the money to actually spend in the UFA market, they are not likely to do so. Unlike Fletcher who thre Money at Hayes for example.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

he could have just tore it down, get a feeling comfemale genitalias would not allow that, and you could make a case that they needed to see how the Farabee and Frost etc would pan out. They were stuck in the middle with have potential talent in the young group lets see what it is and needed high end talent. I will say when DB came in the value of most all was depressed, none had reputation or was not injured or playing well, it would have took real courage and support to sell off, truth is they should have had a policy of not extending any vet, but they fell for the fools gold of overperformance last year. You could take Frost and Farabee for example but 2 plus years later, they sold them off for very little return anyway

Id like Pronger as well as Timonen. The biggest obstacle for the Flyers though is always going to be comcast. You can tell Briere knows a tear down is needed when he talks about the missing talent. Concast is not going to let that happene because a tear down means a less competitive team and less money. Comcast doesnt care about winning. All they care about is profit.

Briere avoids calling it tanking but based on his actions hes built this team by doing as little as posible. He has subtracted but never really added. Im not just talking about UFAs, He could have easily just traded assets for huys to make the team better. He has not done that. He also could hav done the same as fletcher and give away assets to move contracts. He hasnt done that as well.

The reality is he hasnt really gone out of his way to make the team better right now. Everything he has done has been about the future. That to me is kind of like trying to tank without being obvious about it. Brieres handling of this team is far different than Fletcher. Fletcher had no issues going out and adding players to make the team "better" aka Braun, Niskanen, DeAngelo, Ristolainen ect. He had no issues paying to dump contracts like Ghost. Briere has also stated this offseason despite actually having the money to actually spend in the UFA market, they are not likely to do so. Unlike Fletcher who thre Money at Hayes for example.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

He resigned TK. That was not doing as little as possible. I would argue the only trade that was made unexpectedly was the Frost/Farabee deal. All of the other deals were either forced by the coach or player or FA timing. Laughton was not an FA I get that. But they could/should've been traded a year or two ago. Briere hasn't made a tough decision yet.

Comcast needs to wake up at some point and flush the entire group down the drain. If they do that and hire competent hockey people they can turn this around. It is that simple. Now will they ever do that? Right now doesn't seem like it.

They are never ever going to sell as they want the arena. No one will buy unless the arena comes with it. Flyers are a drop in the bucket to comcast.
- hello it's me 2050

We’ve been saying this for 10 solid years now.

It absolutely baffles me that there are fans that still think guys still have these senior advisor roles but offer no input. That’s the entire reason they still have those roles!

The only constants with the modern day Flyers are:

Comcast
Their advisors
Failure

Idk. Maybe it’s because I didn’t grow up with these advisors as my hockey idols. I grew up with Lindros onward. So I don’t have any blinders when it comes to the alumni. These “advisors” all ruined the franchise.

I’m pushing 40 now and at a certain point Comcast needs to realize no one gives a F about the 70’s/80’s teams anymore and that they need to stop being given the benefit of the doubt.

Buffalo, flyers, and isles are just flat out bad management.
- hello it's me 2050

Buffalo at least seems to get the tear it down to build it back up part of it. They just haven’t had the right picks.

Flyers haven’t even reached that state of self assessment yet.

that's not true though I will guess your answer is yes.

that being said smart people know winning will lead to more profits. more sustained profits much more over the failed plan they have in place today and since comcast took over. Comcast has no issue tearing it down. the people they hired do. All about pride and the flyer "way". They make the hockey decisions. Comcast just hires complete dopes.
- hello it's me 2050

It can but it has significantly more risk The Flyers being good enough to make the playoffs is better profit wise than tearing down to rebuild for a rebuild that might not even work. Tanking isnt a magic solution to winning a cup. It isnt guaranteed. Many rebuilds fail, people only remember the successful ones. A company like comcast would need to shoulder losses for up to 10 years before seeing any potential increased profit. Corporations like Comcast want as little risk as possible. This is why Playoffs are the goal.

He resigned TK. That was not doing as little as possible. I would argue the only trade that was made unexpectedly was the Frost/Farabee deal. All of the other deals were either forced by the coach or player or FA timing. Laughton was not an FA I get that. But they could/should've been traded a year or two ago. Briere hasn't made a tough decision yet.
- mickel25

Re-signing TK is doing as little as possible. That is the definition of looking like you arent tanking. Keeping the skilled player on your roster to play with your young players. Even now, it still not guaranteed he isnt traded until July 1st.

Im not sure why you bring up Laughton. They should have moved him earlier but ended up getting a better return than what was rumored earlier.

Buffalo at least seems to get the tear it down to build it back up part of it. They just haven’t had the right picks.

Flyers haven’t even reached that state of self assessment yet.
- hereticpride

Buffalo sucks for many reasons but right picks isnt one of em. They just dont utalize the players strengths well and add redundant pieces.

Buffalo has 3 Dmen who are gifted at offense and need PP time to be fully effective.

They got guys like Tage Thompson and Peterka playing together who are shoot first type players. You need someone who can get these guys the puck and they dont have that. Matthews has Marner, Ovechkin had Backstrom, Pasta had Bergeron or Krecji for example

They have not addressed the goaltending at all. 6K is way too inconsistent. Levi hasnt been good enough

They also give up on guys way too early. Many of their players have left, improved and won cups elsewhere. Eichel, Reinhart and Montour.

They have also hired some poor coaches as well and I think everyone knew Ruffs 2nd tenure wouldnt go well.

It can but it has significantly more risk The Flyers being good enough to make the playoffs is better profit wise than tearing down to rebuild for a rebuild that might not even work. Tanking isnt a magic solution to winning a cup. It isnt guaranteed. Many rebuilds fail, people only remember the successful ones. A company like comcast would need to shoulder losses for up to 10 years before seeing any potential increased profit. Corporations like Comcast want as little risk as possible. This is why Playoffs are the goal.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

No it isnt. Fans will still come when they see a real plan and progress. The Flyers way is a guaranteed failure. cant argue it any other way. Dems the facts. you and the rest of the flyer felators are dopes.

The Flyers are very small potatoes in the Comcast worldwide portfolio. Flyers are not some money making machine they need to keep. another entry on the GL. How many years they in now? over a decade with zero end in sight.

Plus Snyder said they need to make it to the 2nd rd to see a profit. maybe he was lying. if true they aint making anything now. if they are it isn't much. sustained success over just making the playoffs is what any smart business person would do.

Re-signing TK is doing as little as possible. That is the definition of looking like you arent tanking. Keeping the skilled player on your roster to play with your young players. Even now, it still not guaranteed he isnt traded until July 1st.

Im not sure why you bring up Laughton. They should have moved him earlier but ended up getting a better return than what was rumored earlier.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

you are an embarrassment. zero chance it happens unless TK asks for it.

Buffalo sucks for many reasons but right picks isnt one of em. They just dont utalize the players strengths well and add redundant pieces.

Buffalo has 3 Dmen who are gifted at offense and need PP time to be fully effective.

They got guys like Tage Thompson and Peterka playing together who are shoot first type players. You need someone who can get these guys the puck and they dont have that. Matthews has Marner, Ovechkin had Backstrom, Pasta had Bergeron or Krecji for example

They have not addressed the goaltending at all. 6K is way too inconsistent. Levi hasnt been good enough

They also give up on guys way too early. Many of their players have left, improved and won cups elsewhere. Eichel, Reinhart and Montour.

They have also hired some poor coaches as well and I think everyone knew Ruffs 2nd tenure wouldnt go well.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Flyers are buffalo
buffalo are the flyers.

buff has more individual talent which is even funnier. 2 very incompetent organizations.