Also, Connor Bedard is a fantastic young player, but he's no "generational talent", that term is often too loosely thrown around these days. Since the 1967 NHL expansion there's probably only been six generational talents, my personal opinion, which is defined as a 20-30 year period in human populations.
- Dave21Brown

Pat Kane wasn't technically "generational" either but he was dominant enough to be the crown jewel of a dynasty.

And remember... MacKinnon was heavily criticized early in his career for not living up to the "generational" hype. Does anybody question Nate MacKinnon anymore? I think Bedard is a similar type of player.

Even though I totally support the "tanking" or just plain being bad to rebuild, it is tough having no team to cheer for, or a plummeting number of competitive games to watch. The thought of writing off all of next year is depressing. Maybe I need to find another hobby until they become relative again ? For how long ?
- BluehorseShoe64

They can tank and actually be somewhat entertaining if they brought up rookies, brought in a new coach and played offensive hockey. Grinding down games sucks but if they lost every game 5-4 I can put up with another bad season like this.

Pat Kane wasn't technically "generational" either but he was dominant enough to be the crown jewel of a dynasty.

And remember... MacKinnon was heavily criticized early in his career for not living up to the "generational" hype. Does anybody question Nate MacKinnon anymore? I think Bedard is a similar type of player.
- Tomahawk

Not debating anything other than I don't personally believe Connor Bedard is even potentially a player that can be classified as a generational talent. That doesn't mean I don't think he's a phenomenal player, he clearly is, but he's not generational imo.

Same goes for MacKinnon, he's that next level unbelievable player to a generational talent, but he's not generational. A generational player is someone who's singularly above and beyond a generation of players over the past 20 years.

If MacKinnon is generational, then so is Draisaitl, Joe Sakic, Kucherov, Peter Forsberg, Panarin, Matthews, Malkin, etc. You can't have 20 generational players in a 20 year period. You water-down the meaning of what the term actually represents.

The freak'n Bruins are inching their way into serious lottery contention. If they someone get up and the Flyers move down I will completely lose it!

Frost has 6 pts, -2 in 19 games for the Flames, Farabee has 5 pts, -3 in 18 games for the Flames, and Laughton 0 points, -5 in 8 games for the Leafs. Danny duped them all again!

The freak'n Bruins are inching their way into serious lottery contention. If they someone get up and the Flyers move down I will completely lose it!
- jd250

I would not worry about BOS. Their goaltending is superior to the Flyers. For me, SEA is really the only team that could pass the Flyers. Crosby and Malkin will not let PIT limp to the finish line. ANA has far better goaltending also.

Frost has 6 pts, -2 in 19 games for the Flames, Farabee has 5 pts, -3 in 18 games for the Flames, and Laughton 0 points, -5 in 8 games for the Leafs. Danny duped them all again!
- jd250

But remember according to lots on hockeybuzz he not a good coach and ruins players

Not debating anything other than I don't personally believe Connor Bedard is even potentially a player that can be classified as a generational talent. That doesn't mean I don't think he's a phenomenal player, he clearly is, but he's not generational imo.

Same goes for MacKinnon, he's that next level unbelievable player to a generational talent, but he's not generational. A generational player is someone who's singularly above and beyond a generation of players over the past 20 years.

If MacKinnon is generational, then so is Draisaitl, Joe Sakic, Kucherov, Peter Forsberg, Panarin, Matthews, Malkin, etc. You can't have 20 generational players in a 20 year period. You water-down the meaning of what the term actually represents.
- Dave21Brown

Ovie is generational

Not debating anything other than I don't personally believe Connor Bedard is even potentially a player that can be classified as a generational talent. That doesn't mean I don't think he's a phenomenal player, he clearly is, but he's not generational imo.

Same goes for MacKinnon, he's that next level unbelievable player to a generational talent, but he's not generational. A generational player is someone who's singularly above and beyond a generation of players over the past 20 years.

If MacKinnon is generational, then so is Draisaitl, Joe Sakic, Kucherov, Peter Forsberg, Panarin, Matthews, Malkin, etc. You can't have 20 generational players in a 20 year period. You water-down the meaning of what the term actually represents.
- Dave21Brown

So who do you count as "generational"?

But remember according to lots on hockeybuzz he not a good coach and ruins players
- SlNlSTER

How’s Tippett this year? Foerster?

How’s Tippett this year? Foerster?
- psuhockey

Let me see, Forester, 23 season - 33 points. 24 season - 32 points in 6 less games. yeah not as many goals, but not too bad.

yes Tippet has taken a step back.

Cates 29 points - not as good as his first season with 38 points but better than his 23 season 18 points.

Brink 33 points- better than 23 points last season.

Let me see, Forester, 23 season - 33 points. 24 season - 32 points in 6 less games. yeah not as many goals, but not too bad.

yes Tippet has taken a step back.

Cates 29 points - not as good as his first season with 38 points but better than his 23 season 18 points.

Brink 33 points- better than 23 points last season.
- WhiskeyMan

For discussion, do these results prove Torts is doing an effective job? Torts' calling card is accountability. Do other HCs not hold their players accountable? Is Torts way of holding players accountable more effective then other HCs? I am geniunely curious because I am struggling to find a concrete answers either way. Sure a Werenski soundbite has come out praising Torts for his own personal development. I guess does Torts somehow have more players come out and say that more then other recent HCs. I just do not know.

I do know that the team that wins is score more goals then the other team. Torts' team have a pattern of being awful on the PP during most of his HC career. This is a proven fact and can easily be researched. For me, the benefits of Torts are more subjective then quantifiable. After 3 years, I do not believe a new HC will make the team worse. I'm all for reading the Torts why he has done a tremendous job so far and deserves a 4th year because maybe I am wrong in my thought process.

For discussion, do these results prove Torts is doing an effective job? Torts' calling card is accountability. Do other HCs not hold their players accountable? Is Torts way of holding players accountable more effective then other HCs? I am geniunely curious because I am struggling to find a concrete answers either way. Sure a Werenski soundbite has come out praising Torts for his own personal development. I guess does Torts somehow have more players come out and say that more then other recent HCs. I just do not know.

I do know that the team that wins is score more goals then the other team. Torts' team have a pattern of being awful on the PP during most of his HC career. This is a proven fact and can easily be researched. For me, the benefits of Torts are more subjective then quantifiable. After 3 years, I do not believe a new HC will make the team worse. I'm all for reading the Torts why he has done a tremendous job so far and deserves a 4th year because maybe I am wrong in my thought process.
- Trox88

Well a lot of people are saying the young guys have regressed. Which I don't think is true.

should have they improved more, maybe, but they are mostly bottom 6 players on a bad team.

Do I think pretty much every other coach might have done a better job with them, yes.

Bottom line for me is that Torts should go, but probably will not.

Well a lot of people are saying the young guys have regressed. Which I don't think is true.

should have they improved more, maybe, but they are mostly bottom 6 players on a bad team.

Do I think pretty much every other coach might have done a better job with them, yes.

Bottom line for me is that Torts should go, but probably will not.
- WhiskeyMan

That's fair. It would make no sense for him to come back as a lame duck HC. I just feel Torts at this point in his career is a media creation based upon subjective factors that somehow he is doing a better job then his peers. It would be unfair not to recognize he was a good HC over the entirety of his career. However, every HC gets to a point where the game passes them by. I hope the Flyers recognize this and move on over the summer. Just want to make sure I am not missing something in my observation of Torts this year.

That's fair. It would make no sense for him to come back as a lame duck HC. I just feel Torts at this point in his career is a media creation based upon subjective factors that somehow he is doing a better job then his peers. It would be unfair not to recognize he was a good HC over the entirety of his career. However, every HC gets to a point where the game passes them by. I hope the Flyers recognize this and move on over the summer. Just want to make sure I am not missing something in my observation of Torts this year.
- Trox88

It's just time for him to go. I don't think db will force him out but give torts a push towards the door.

It's torts call

It's just time for him to go. I don't think db will force him out but give torts a push towards the door.

It's torts call
- WhiskeyMan

I am on record not liking Torts antics with players he does not like, really shows a lack of leadership. That said, he might have been the right coach at the right time, not that there was not better ones. The Flyers and DB needed cover while they figured the mess out that was left by CF and Hextall, they had covid effect the development timeline for the young players pushed back, then injuries. I do think DB need time to evaluate what he had in the younger players. Covid, injuries, as team playing poorly during that period, and any trade made would have been selling a depressed asset. That is where the Torts comes in, he could not help himself, hammering on the players that would be traded, he helped depress their value by his actions, let alone didn't try to build them up. But again Torts was good cover and his team play hard, mission accomplished.

Flyers lose, Buffalo wins.

Buffalo only 3 points back of Flyers with 2 games against each other. Nashville is 5 points back.

Flyers have left:

TOR
MON
BUF
NSH
MON
NYR
NYI
OTT
CLB
BUF

With the Flyers goaltending they could realistically lose 8 of 10 there.

I don't see any easy wins and all teams that tend to beat the Flyers.

TOP 4, hopefully top 3 pick here we come.

Flyers lose, Buffalo wins.

Buffalo only 3 points back of Flyers with 2 games against each other. Nashville is 5 points back.

Flyers have left:

TOR
MON
BUF
NSH
MON
NYR
NYI
OTT
CLB
BUF

With the Flyers goaltending they could realistically lose 8 of 10 there.

I don't see any easy wins and all teams that tend to beat the Flyers.

TOP 4, hopefully top 3 pick here we come.
- J35Bacher

My best guess for the Flyers to have a realistic shot at 3rd overall would be to have 71 points or lower at the end of the season.

Flyers lose, Buffalo wins.

Buffalo only 3 points back of Flyers with 2 games against each other. Nashville is 5 points back.

Flyers have left:

TOR
MON
BUF
NSH
MON
NYR
NYI
OTT
CLB
BUF

With the Flyers goaltending they could realistically lose 8 of 10 there.

I don't see any easy wins and all teams that tend to beat the Flyers.

TOP 4, hopefully top 3 pick here we come.
- J35Bacher

How badly will everyone poop their pants when Pittsburgh wins the lottery and pushes the Flyers out of the top 5?

How badly will everyone poop their pants when Pittsburgh wins the lottery and pushes the Flyers out of the top 5?
- BaronVonShiznit

why would any Flyers fan be surprised by this?

Let me see, Forester, 23 season - 33 points. 24 season - 32 points in 6 less games. yeah not as many goals, but not too bad.

yes Tippet has taken a step back.

Cates 29 points - not as good as his first season with 38 points but better than his 23 season 18 points.

Brink 33 points- better than 23 points last season.
- WhiskeyMan

Brink has taken a huge step forward this year, as has Drysdale and Cates. To me Foerster is not on the right line. I think Foerster needs to be on a line with a center that can get him in the puck in the right areas of the ice so he can shoot more. Right now Foerster is only 6th on the team in shots, well over 50 shots behind Michkov, TK and Tippet. I know Torts likes that Cates line, but Foerster needs to be moved off it as soon as the Flyers get a decent center. Also, having the worst PP in the league is not doing anybody on the team any favors. To me, Tippet just needs to grow up a bit and not get down on himself when he is not on. He is just as up and down like a toilet seat as Frost was.

Make him starter next season. Guaranteed top pick
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

He will not be on the roster next season. Maybe even out of the organization entirely. He Is not an NHL level goalie. Flyers got burned though the only saving grace is it was a 2 year deal. They will once again have wasted money in LHV. Would love to know who the scout was that recommended this signing.

Can’t see both of Fedotov and Kolosov back as they also have Carson who will be in LHV next season.

Can’t see any possible way they do not address the goalie situation next season. They will grab someone. Whether they go for a Lyon type or someone higher up the food chain it will be addressed. Matt Murray has a had a very good year at the AHL level after missing a year, wonder if he would be a possible low cost option.

Anyone thinking the Flyers will not try very hard to make the playoffs next season is going to be disappointed. They will without a doubt try to make trades and/or try to sign free agents. Whether they are successful is another conversation. What will be fun to watch is if they strike out initially will they then become “desperate” and overpay to make some moves.

Keep in mind this will be the 3rd off season for Briere. The team is no better than when he took over or when Torts was hired. Another summer of inaction is highly unlikely after missing the playoffs for 5 years.

Some names of players they may go after if they become available IMO are Mcvoy, Ryan Donato, Rasmus Anderson, Jake Allen, Nick Schmaltz, Ryan O’Reily.
Could potentially see York dealt to the Wings for their 1st as a base for a deal. Or Part of a big deal with the Bruins (Some combo of Zacha, Mcvoy, Korpisalo).

I also believe the Flyers will now try to emulate the Capitals model as the latest franchise to mimic.

Very enjoyable seeing the local beats not ever even asking the status of Risto. If they have, I missed it. Same for the Flyers no update is just typical.

Flyers lose, Buffalo wins.

Buffalo only 3 points back of Flyers with 2 games against each other. Nashville is 5 points back.

Flyers have left:

TOR
MON
BUF
NSH
MON
NYR
NYI
OTT
CLB
BUF

With the Flyers goaltending they could realistically lose 8 of 10 there.

I don't see any easy wins and all teams that tend to beat the Flyers.

TOP 4, hopefully top 3 pick here we come.
- J35Bacher

They just have to finish in the top 7 after the lottery. I don’t see much different in picks 3-7 to really care; Frondell, Desnoyers, Martone, Hagens, O’Brien. They could probably even finish in 8th to have a shot at one of them as some team always goes off the board for someone like McQueen, Mrtka or Smith, but 7 is safe to get a center they need.

Frost has 6 pts, -2 in 19 games for the Flames, Farabee has 5 pts, -3 in 18 games for the Flames, and Laughton 0 points, -5 in 8 games for the Leafs. Danny duped them all again!
- jd250

Danny is the hardest working GM in all of sports. His on-ice results since he took over the Flyers are unmatchable. Waited at the right moment to trade Farabee and Frost and got a very good return. It took 2 years for him to move Laughton. All that culture and leadership he brings to the Leafs just doesn’t show up on the scoreboard. He adds a lot of value to that team.

Just goes to show you these players that Danny overrates are not very good and he still doesn’t know or understand when to sell at high value. Hopefully, he also realizes that Laughton and like are not as important (or good) as he wants to believe.

Need to also give both Farabee and Frost more than 1/3 of a year to get acclimated in Calgary. They had to reconfigure their game after all the offense was sucked out of them. Let’s see how both do with a full offseason n Calgary.

He will not be on the roster next season. Maybe even out of the organization entirely. He Is not an NHL level goalie. Flyers got burned though the only saving grace is it was a 2 year deal. They will once again have wasted money in LHV. Would love to know who the scout was that recommended this signing.

Can’t see both of Fedotov and Kolosov back as they also have Carson who will be in LHV next season.

Can’t see any possible way they do not address the goalie situation next season. They will grab someone. Whether they go for a Lyon type or someone higher up the food chain it will be addressed. Matt Murray has a had a very good year at the AHL level after missing a year, wonder if he would be a possible low cost option.

Anyone thinking the Flyers will not try very hard to make the playoffs next season is going to be disappointed. They will without a doubt try to make trades and/or try to sign free agents. Whether they are successful is another conversation. What will be fun to watch is if they strike out initially will they then become “desperate” and overpay to make some moves.

Keep in mind this will be the 3rd off season for Briere. The team is no better than when he took over or when Torts was hired. Another summer of inaction is highly unlikely after missing the playoffs for 5 years.

Some names of players they may go after if they become available IMO are Mcvoy, Ryan Donato, Rasmus Anderson, Jake Allen, Nick Schmaltz, Ryan O’Reily.
Could potentially see York dealt to the Wings for their 1st as a base for a deal. Or Part of a big deal with the Bruins (Some combo of Zacha, Mcvoy, Korpisalo).

I also believe the Flyers will now try to emulate the Capitals model as the latest franchise to mimic.

Very enjoyable seeing the local beats not ever even asking the status of Risto. If they have, I missed it. Same for the Flyers no update is just typical.
- Striiker

York to Detroit does make a ton of sense. I think the would have to add one of their firsts but depending on who’s available, getting another top 10 pick would be huge for this team.

It’s a shame Tippett’s value has tanked. Is really the only other trade chip they have besides their picks to get something done. Maybe Bonk but they love him too much.