Because you say so?

You started with Ovi averages 50 goals per season but suddenly that means less than what he averages his first 5 years in the league.

Don’t hurt yourself moving those goalposts.
- Cush29

Ovechkin averaged 50 goals a year longer than Matthews and is healthier. Matthews has played 9 years and has only averaged 50 goals the past 4 seasons. Ovechkin had a stronger start and his durability (which Matthews has shown he does not have) gave him the chance to play 1400+ games and score 50 goals multiple times in his 30s.

The goal posts haven't moved, maybe you just shoved them so far up your ass your head isn't working.

Ovechkin averaged 53 goals a year his first 5 years. Matthews averaged 39.

Matthews is not making it to 1400 games played at this rate. Don't see him scoring 50 goals at 35+ either.

Lockouts probably cost Ovechkin 70-80 extra goals too.
- Rare_Jewel

The easiest way to look at this is that Ovechkin has played 11 more seasons than Matthews and in the 20 seasons he's played he has missed 78 games.

Matthews, in 9 seasons, has missed 155 games. The numbers simply don't track for his longevity and durability.

Ovechkin averaged 50 goals a year longer than Matthews and is healthier. Matthews has played 9 years and has only averaged 50 goals the past 4 seasons. Ovechkin had a stronger start and his durability (which Matthews has shown he does not have) gave him the chance to play 1400+ games and score 50 goals multiple times in his 30s.

The goal posts haven't moved, maybe you just shoved them so far up your ass your head isn't working.
- Rare_Jewel

How close will we ever see anyone get to 92 in a season???

Ovechkin averaged 50 goals a year longer than Matthews and is healthier. Matthews has played 9 years and has only averaged 50 goals the past 4 seasons. Ovechkin had a stronger start and his durability (which Matthews has shown he does not have) gave him the chance to play 1400+ games and score 50 goals multiple times in his 30s.

The goal posts haven't moved, maybe you just shoved them so far up your ass your head isn't working.
- Rare_Jewel

I don’t think you understand what it means when someone talks about goal posts being moved or you’re upset for being exposed for doing so.

Either way it has no real impact on me so whatever I know you live and die by proclaiming to be right there Rare Fool.

Maybe consider doing the world a favour and seeking some help for your anger though. 😳

How close will we ever see anyone get to 92 in a season???
- Hatboro_Swords

Depends how much equipment they take off the goalies.

Gretzky scored 92 goals in 1981/82 with 370 shots at 24.9% shooting.

Matthews scored 69 goals last year on 369 shots at 18.7% shooting.

I think basic math says if the goalies get 5-7% smaller (without compromising their safety obviously), the shooting percentages go up high enough where a guy who can score 70 today might be able to score 90-95.

The easiest way to look at this is that Ovechkin has played 11 more seasons than Matthews and in the 20 seasons he's played he has missed 78 games.

Matthews, in 9 seasons, has missed 155 games. The numbers simply don't track for his longevity and durability.
- Monkeypunk

Like you said earlier, what Ovechkin did from 31-39 is unreal.

Only Jagr, if he had stayed in the NHL his entire career, could have set the record before him.

Scoring the goals is hard enough but actually playing in every game possible is another requirement that many players don't achieve to even give them the chance to touch the records.

The easiest way to look at this is that Ovechkin has played 11 more seasons than Matthews and in the 20 seasons he's played he has missed 78 games.

Matthews, in 9 seasons, has missed 155 games. The numbers simply don't track for his longevity and durability.
- Monkeypunk

I don’t disagree based on what has occurred so far in Matthew’s career but it’s FAR too early to make bold proclamations about it “never going to happen” IMO.

Especially when you use average goal per season then change gears to average goals over the first 5 years of a career when your first point is kinda disproven as being a super indicator of it never being able to occur. Lol

I hope Matthews proves everyone wrong and his injuries are predominantly behind him and he scores 50+ for a long long time but we won’t know until we know.

I don’t think you understand what it means when someone talks about goal posts being moved or you’re upset for being exposed for doing so.

Either way it has no real impact on me so whatever I know you live and die by proclaiming to be right there Rare Fool.

Maybe consider doing the world a favour and seeking some help for your anger though. 😳
- Cush29

Not a single goal post was moved except the one you shined up real nice, turned sideways and stuck up your own candy ass.

I don’t disagree based on what has occurred so far in Matthew’s career but it’s FAR too early to make bold proclamations about it “never going to happen” IMO.

Especially when you use average goal per season then change gears to average goals over the first 5 years of a career when your first point is kinda disproven as being a super indicator of it never being able to occur. Lol

I hope Matthews proves everyone wrong and his injuries are predominantly behind him and he scores 50+ for a long long time but we won’t know until we know.
- Cush29

Matthews has scored 50+ goals twice in nine years.

Ovechkin has scored 50+ goals nine times in 20 years.

I don’t think you understand what it means when someone talks about goal posts being moved or you’re upset for being exposed for doing so.

Either way it has no real impact on me so whatever I know you live and die by proclaiming to be right there Rare Fool.

Maybe consider doing the world a favour and seeking some help for your anger though. 😳
- Cush29

Realistically Matthews has 7 games left in his age 27 season. Maybe he gets 3-4 more goals and manages to get himself to 362 goals in 548 games.

Ovechkin was at 371 in 601 games.

So Matthews does score at a more prolific rate - but Matthews so far has averaged 17 missed games per season and Ovechkin, at the same age, had averaged 2.6 missed games per season.

I mean Matthews is literally not healthy now.

Here's a contrast - Mario Lemieux at age 27 had missed 147 games in 9 seasons. In 577 games he had 477 goals.

Gretzky had missed only 24 games by age 27. In 696 games he had 583 goals. That's 212 more goals than Ovi had at the same age - and Ovi passed him.

Longevity and durability cannot be overstated here.

Not a single goal post was moved except the one you shined up real nice, turned sideways and stuck up your own candy ass.





Matthews has scored 50+ goals twice in nine years.

Ovechkin has scored 50+ goals nine times in 20 years.
- Rare_Jewel

K

I don’t disagree based on what has occurred so far in Matthew’s career but it’s FAR too early to make bold proclamations about it “never going to happen” IMO.

Especially when you use average goal per season then change gears to average goals over the first 5 years of a career when your first point is kinda disproven as being a super indicator of it never being able to occur. Lol

I hope Matthews proves everyone wrong and his injuries are predominantly behind him and he scores 50+ for a long long time but we won’t know until we know.
- Cush29

Obviously we don't know - I think we'd all love for him to break the record. I'm mostly saying he isn't trending well and some of the greatest that I've ever seen never came even close . . .I'd love nothing more than for Auston to find the fountain of health and become a durable force. And I'm speaking more from observed trends that usually when players start to encounter injury troubles they mount rather than go away.

Obviously we don't know - I think we'd all love for him to break the record. I'm mostly saying he isn't trending well and some of the greatest that I've ever seen never came even close . . .I'd love nothing more than for Auston to find the fountain of health and become a durable force. And I'm speaking more from observed trends that usually when players start to encounter injury troubles they mount rather than go away.
- Monkeypunk

Only if he's playing for the Leafs though, right?

His team was eliminated from the KHL playoffs, so this is a smart move.

Even if the kid doesn't dress.
- Atomic Wedgie

He negotiated a bonus for winning the Conn Smythe this year

Only if he's playing for the Leafs though, right?
- Rare_Jewel

I wouldn't want to put voice to what I would wish upon him if he left.

I don’t disagree based on what has occurred so far in Matthew’s career but it’s FAR too early to make bold proclamations about it “never going to happen” IMO.

Especially when you use average goal per season then change gears to average goals over the first 5 years of a career when your first point is kinda disproven as being a super indicator of it never being able to occur. Lol

I hope Matthews proves everyone wrong and his injuries are predominantly behind him and he scores 50+ for a long long time but we won’t know until we know.
- Cush29

I don't think it is going to happen for Mathews but I also never thought that record would be broken. Some factors that might help is the NHL seems to be trying to increase scoring so who knows what the NHL will look like in 5 years.. As for Mathews health.. There was a thought for a while that Crosby's NHL career may have been close to being over due to concussions..He got the right treatment and is still going strong.

Mathews may yet figure out a way to take care of his body in a way that he can play

I never used to have a negative thought about Marner but the constant barrage of he’s a god and Willy was the devil led me down the path of for sure pumping up Willy with a dash of deflating Marner.

Forgive me Zezel I have sinned! Dunk me in that blue drink of the gods and wash away the sin!!!!

Fun fact earlier on in the years of “the core” I wanted to move Willy out. I’ve done a 180 on that - to me he is the best playoff performer of the core group full stop.

I would love nothing more than to see him maintain his playoff play and be overshadowed by other core players this year.

That would result in a deep run for sure.

If they fail this year to me Marner is the odd man out if he wants silly money. I would not pay him Matthews money based on what he has done up to today. IMO he doesn’t deserve it in Toronto. Others will disagree which is fine but if they pay him close to AM money they are simply repeating the same salary cap era roster / cap distribution mistake IMO.

As always time will tell.
- Cush29

If the leafs get bounced in the first round, I would be fully on board with trading Matthews.
Crazy I know and it will never happen....but I would be.
If Marner no shows, Im fine with letting him walk.
Problem is.....who's available to replace him?
Ehlers?
Boeser?

That's pretty much it
Leafs would have to pay 8-9.5 for either and they lose 30 scoring points

I don't really understand why people feel the need to pick one or two of the Core4, and hate on one of them.

Like, can't I just like all of them?
- Atomic Wedgie

This is why 🤦‍♂️

If the leafs get bounced in the first round, I would be fully on board with trading Matthews.
Crazy I know and it will never happen....but I would be.
If Marner no shows, Im fine with letting him walk.
Problem is.....who's available to replace him?
Ehlers?
Boeser?

That's pretty much it
Leafs would have to pay 8-9.5 for either and they lose 30 scoring points
- Fakepartofme

If Matthews and Marner both suck in the playoffs, you keep Marner and trade Matthews.

This franchise can't afford to lose a 100 point player for nothing.

At least if you trade Matthews you can get something in return. You can always trade Marner later too if need be. But he can't be allowed to walk for nothing.

There is no scenario where letting Marner walk makes this franchise better other than hoping for a miracle McDavid signing way down the road.

If Matthews and Marner both suck in the playoffs, you keep Marner and trade Matthews.

This franchise can't afford to lose a 100 point player for nothing.

At least if you trade Matthews you can get something in return. You can always trade Marner later too if need be. But he can't be allowed to walk for nothing.

There is no scenario where letting Marner walk makes this franchise better other than hoping for a miracle McDavid signing way down the road.
- Rare_Jewel

Phenomenal offensive player - but I’m not sure he’s actually reached 100pts yet. Maybe this year hopefully.

This is why 🤦‍♂️

- Skalapy

There can only be one Batman.

Someone has to be the Joker!

If the leafs get bounced in the first round, I would be fully on board with trading Matthews.
Crazy I know and it will never happen....but I would be.
If Marner no shows, Im fine with letting him walk.
Problem is.....who's available to replace him?
Ehlers?
Boeser?

That's pretty much it
Leafs would have to pay 8-9.5 for either and they lose 30 scoring points
- Fakepartofme

Ehlers is abysmal in the playoffs. 4 goals, 14points -9 in 37 games.
Boeser has actually been decent in the playoffs - he's just never in them.

If the leafs get bounced in the first round, I would be fully on board with trading Matthews.
Crazy I know and it will never happen....but I would be.
If Marner no shows, Im fine with letting him walk.
Problem is.....who's available to replace him?
Ehlers?
Boeser?

That's pretty much it
Leafs would have to pay 8-9.5 for either and they lose 30 scoring points
- Fakepartofme

There is only one team that has MM and all the other contenders get along fine.. If he walks you likely would have to replace him with 2 players. It would also allow them to spread the scoring to be able to have 3 scoring lines.

Would the team be better with the scoring spread maybe, maybe not.

There is only one team that has MM and all the other contenders get along fine.. If he walks you likely would have to replace him with 2 players. It would also allow them to spread the scoring to be able to have 3 scoring lines.

Would the team be better with the scoring spread maybe, maybe not.
- Azuredoom

What would Bennett and Boeser cost? Probably more than $14m. What would they provide in points? 50 goals and 50 assists and more physical presence . . .Both are probably around $8m I'd imagine and really I don't even know the new economy for their contracts in the NHL. Maybe they are $9m.

screw that guy! I hear he is a Marxist Leninist socialist communist who hugs trees all day
- Interloper

I hug trees…seriously. I love them.

Myers is a decent size & plays a pretty quiet game. I just wish he wore a different number because a D man wearing #51 in Toronto triggers my Leaf Fan PTSD 😳.