I would say they draft worse than scout. The e kakko and Laf blunders are more development issues
- nyrangers2

Both Kakko and Laf were chalk picks. Kakko simply isn't a top 6 guy. He got an avg. of 4-5 min. more per game in Seattle and PP time. He pretty much matched his NYR production. He is who he is. Laf was making great strides the year b4 last. Let's see how he plays next season. Cuylle and Schneider, Chytil, etc. have developed nicely. Miller also show flashes. I think once NYR goes to a zone defense and better forecheck, it will be simpler for our dmen and forwards. I'm probably in the minority, but Im bullish on the NYR 25-26 season. Expect a BIG bounce back both individually and team play

Yeah, that one's not even close.
Does it matter at this point, though? I swear, it's getting harder and harder to deny the "we can't develop prospects" gripe these days. 2 more playoff goals for the galactically useless Brett Howden to start that series.
- Tonybere

Do you value Laf more than Slafkovsky?

Both Kakko and Laf were chalk picks. Kakko simply isn't a top 6 guy. He got an avg. of 4-5 min. more per game in Seattle and PP time. He pretty much matched his NYR production. He is who he is. Laf was making great strides the year b4 last. Let's see how he plays next season. Cuylle and Schneider, Chytil, etc. have developed nicely. Miller also show flashes. I think once NYR goes to a zone defense and better forecheck, it will be simpler for our dmen and forwards. I'm probably in the minority, but Im bullish on the NYR 25-26 season. Expect a BIG bounce back both individually and team play
- rrentz

I don’t disagree coaching this year and the system played a MASSVE part in why they sucked. We’re not as bad as they played, but the quit from the players speaks volumes. No one went out and tried to turn it around, just skated their lap and took their turn on the bench. Disgusting IMO

I don’t disagree coaching this year and the system played a MASSVE part in why they sucked. We’re not as bad as they played, but the quit from the players speaks volumes. No one went out and tried to turn it around, just skated their lap and took their turn on the bench. Disgusting IMO
- nyrangers9479

Totally agree. Seems like Trouba was a complete Douchesnozzle and poisoned locker room from day 1 this season. Unfortunately, he was the leader and no one else picked up the pieces. Forget this season...make some moves, add a coaching staff and get back at it. At least, the people injured will have an extra month to heal/recover.

I am surprised that Kris Knoblauch in Edmonton has completely abandoned playing defense whatsoever with that team

So this is an honest question because I've read through this thread - but it's not like I'm unaware that Twitter exists and have read crap there - and it doesn't feel like the level of vitriol towards Drury is matched here.

I don't think Laviolette was getting the job done - but that is the fastest he's worn his welcome anywhere and having 3 cup appearances and 1 cup makes him fairly accomplished. Was he the right to go? He definitely had no answers last year - but if Drury was the problem and they just hire a new coach, what is that going to fix in the organization?

As an outsider looking in, it sure seemed like Drury opened the locker room door, chucked in a grenade and slammed it shut. Am I missing something there?

So this is an honest question because I've read through this thread - but it's not like I'm unaware that Twitter exists and have read crap there - and it doesn't feel like the level of vitriol towards Drury is matched here.

I don't think Laviolette was getting the job done - but that is the fastest he's worn his welcome anywhere and having 3 cup appearances and 1 cup makes him fairly accomplished. Was he the right to go? He definitely had no answers last year - but if Drury was the problem and they just hire a new coach, what is that going to fix in the organization?

As an outsider looking in, it sure seemed like Drury opened the locker room door, chucked in a grenade and slammed it shut. Am I missing something there?
- Monkeypunk

the problem is that Drury doesn't have a boss, he's the President and GM, so unless the owner wants him gone, not much anyone complaining about him is going to help

So this is an honest question because I've read through this thread - but it's not like I'm unaware that Twitter exists and have read crap there - and it doesn't feel like the level of vitriol towards Drury is matched here.

I don't think Laviolette was getting the job done - but that is the fastest he's worn his welcome anywhere and having 3 cup appearances and 1 cup makes him fairly accomplished. Was he the right to go? He definitely had no answers last year - but if Drury was the problem and they just hire a new coach, what is that going to fix in the organization?

As an outsider looking in, it sure seemed like Drury opened the locker room door, chucked in a grenade and slammed it shut. Am I missing something there?
- Monkeypunk

Players are the main issue. Drury probably right there. He made it worse bc he cannot commuicate and is pretty bad at his job as well. Perfect poop storm

So this is an honest question because I've read through this thread - but it's not like I'm unaware that Twitter exists and have read crap there - and it doesn't feel like the level of vitriol towards Drury is matched here.

I don't think Laviolette was getting the job done - but that is the fastest he's worn his welcome anywhere and having 3 cup appearances and 1 cup makes him fairly accomplished. Was he the right to go? He definitely had no answers last year - but if Drury was the problem and they just hire a new coach, what is that going to fix in the organization?

As an outsider looking in, it sure seemed like Drury opened the locker room door, chucked in a grenade and slammed it shut. Am I missing something there?
- Monkeypunk

2 people in here believe in Drury. Stay here everyday and you’ll see some vitriol

2 people in here believe in Drury. Stay here everyday and you’ll see some vitriol
- Slimtj100

Not sure how people can believe at all anymore with him. Team is in the worst shape its been since 97-04

Players are the main issue. Drury probably right there. He made it worse bc he cannot commuicate and is pretty bad at his jon as well. Perfect poop storm
- nyrangers2

Thanks to you and Jimbro - I don't know. The Rangers are a storied original 6 franchise and obviously any coach is going to want to land that job - but it is not an easy situation - whether it's Krieder's relationship with management and his influence over the locker room or this newly emerging story about Panarin.

This is a rough time. You'd almost think a clean slate would help - although outside of this year's antics, I didn't think Drury was really doing a poor job (FA signings and trades; he hasn't had much opportunity with drafting - but just on pedigree I like the Perreault selection).

Mostly I just wondering what the general feeling from the Ranger-base was and also noting that it was calmer here than it is on Twitter - granted Twitter is often an echo chamber for the loudest idiots.

Not sure how people can believe at all anymore with him. Team is in the worst shape its been since 97-04
- nyrangers2

I think you guys are overreacting to one season. A season where you could argue that everything needed to happen the way it went down. Meaning they needed to take steps backs in order to move forward.

Totally agree. Seems like Trouba was a complete Douchesnozzle and poisoned locker room from day 1 this season. Unfortunately, he was the leader and no one else picked up the pieces. Forget this season...make some moves, add a coaching staff and get back at it. At least, the people injured will have an extra month to heal/recover.
- rrentz

Why is Trouba a douche? Because he refused to be traded?

Not sure how people can believe at all anymore with him. Team is in the worst shape its been since 97-04
- nyrangers2

this was the worst season of my life, but that era we were in overall worst shape than we are now and its not even close

recency bias may effect things but I dont think people really can relate to the fact anymore that back then we had Bobby Holik making 9 million a year

Do you value Laf more than Slafkovsky?
- nyrangers9479

I haven't exactly studied Slafkovsky, but from the quick research I just did, yes. Laf has similar numbers (averages) with less ice time, fewer PIM's and higher point shares. This was a dismal season for Laffy, but the upside is easy to see and his ceiling is still very high.

Why is Trouba a douche? Because he refused to be traded?
- Brukie

I don't know all the facts around Trouba, but I believe he was referring to Trouba blocking the trade, but then refusing to be a leader of the team he was captain of, because his feelings toward management had soured.

this was the worst season of my life, but that era we were in overall worst shape than we are now and its not even close

recency bias may effect things but I dont think people really can relate to the fact anymore that back then we had Bobby Holik making 9 million a year
- jimbro83

I will leave you guys alone in the Ranger thread - but I do want to leave you with this: Between our two franchises, we own the longest Cup droughts in hockey history. We broke your record. You're welcome.

Maybe you're relatively young, but that 1998 - 2004 period for the Rangers was pretty awful. And so we're clear - this isn't me coming here and throwing stones. As a Leaf fan I lived through the 80s. Trust me - it can be WAY worse than this year!

I will leave you guys alone in the Ranger thread - but I do want to leave you with this: Between our two franchises, we own the longest Cup droughts in hockey history. We broke your record. You're welcome.

Maybe you're relatively young, but that 1998 - 2004 period for the Rangers was pretty awful. And so we're clear - this isn't me coming here and throwing stones. As a Leaf fan I lived through the 80s. Trust me - it can be WAY worse than this year!
- Monkeypunk

I’m rooting for you guys. Granted it is monetary based lol

I will leave you guys alone in the Ranger thread - but I do want to leave you with this: Between our two franchises, we own the longest Cup droughts in hockey history. We broke your record. You're welcome.

Maybe you're relatively young, but that 1998 - 2004 period for the Rangers was pretty awful. And so we're clear - this isn't me coming here and throwing stones. As a Leaf fan I lived through the 80s. Trust me - it can be WAY worse than this year!
- Monkeypunk

well I dont think Ive missed many games since 1979 if that helps

I haven't exactly studied Slafkovsky, but from the quick research I just did, yes. Laf has similar numbers (averages) with less ice time, fewer PIM's and higher point shares. This was a dismal season for Laffy, but the upside is easy to see and his ceiling is still very high.
- Tonybere

Also Laf in the playoffs last year was the Rangers best player. I know everyone talkes about Stutzle and Slaskovsky and these other young guys who have been great in the regular season but let's see how they do in the playoffs first.

Laf has more points in the 3rd round of the playoffs than most team's players combined. That's a joke I like to use with my Leaf buddies

I don't know all the facts around Trouba, but I believe he was referring to Trouba blocking the trade, but then refusing to be a leader of the team he was captain of, because his feelings toward management had soured.
- Tonybere

Truthfully at that point how do you blame the guy? The locker room knows full well he is going to be traded, how can they even look at him in the face and say lead us? Same thing with CK20 when management comes out and says we are trading our leaders.

I love when people say they are millionaires, true but when your boss says, you have 2 weeks and you will no longer work here, how do you not feel bitter and say (frank) you?

Truthfully at that point how do you blame the guy? The locker room knows full well he is going to be traded, how can they even look at him in the face and say lead us? Same thing with CK20 when management comes out and says we are trading our leaders.

I love when people say they are millionaires, true but when your boss says, you have 2 weeks and you will no longer work here, how do you not feel bitter and say (frank) you?
- Brukie

Human emotion is a factor in everything. We talk about the need to be professional, but hard to do when not wanted. Personally, been in situations where I knew my role was being eliminated and had a team to lead. Very difficult to first get people to follow, then to be able to motivate, which also has to come from within. The room became toxic - the logic may have been sound, at least possibly per Trouba, though if you listen to Boomer and C-Lo podcast, they disagree. But how the message was managed was a flamethrower to gasoline in the room.

Truthfully at that point how do you blame the guy? The locker room knows full well he is going to be traded, how can they even look at him in the face and say lead us? Same thing with CK20 when management comes out and says we are trading our leaders.

I love when people say they are millionaires, true but when your boss says, you have 2 weeks and you will no longer work here, how do you not feel bitter and say (frank) you?
- Brukie

The state of the locker room is the primary, possibly sole, reason I feel Drury should be let go. So, I am not blind to your point. But, was it not an option for Trouba to be pissed at the way he was being treated, but still decide to buck up and be professional and play his hardest for the guys in that locker room and for the fans? Trouba also made decisions about his final days as a Ranger, and IMO, he made poor ones.
By no means am I blaming all our problems on Trouba. Truthfully, I blame Drury more. But, the morale of this team was mishandled by many.

Human emotion is a factor in everything. We talk about the need to be professional, but hard to do when not wanted. Personally, been in situations where I knew my role was being eliminated and had a team to lead. Very difficult to first get people to follow, then to be able to motivate, which also has to come from within. The room became toxic - the logic may have been sound, at least possibly per Trouba, though if you listen to Boomer and C-Lo podcast, they disagree. But how the message was managed was a flamethrower to gasoline in the room.
- airjan23

Chemistry in hockey is the most important thing and it looks like once it was lost, everything was just brought down by it. Everyone knows my thoughts on this team but for Drury to bring in the disruption from the beginning of the season is just ludicrous to me. Its hard not to wonder if this team wasnt disrupted by the Trouba and Goodrow nonsense and the JT Miller trade goes down, I think that would have quite possibly made this team different in the playoffs.

The state of the locker room is the primary, possibly sole, reason I feel Drury should be let go. So, I am not blind to your point. But, was it not an option for Trouba to be pissed at the way he was being treated, but still decide to buck up and be professional and play his hardest for the guys in that locker room and for the fans? Trouba also made decisions about his final days as a Ranger, and IMO, he made poor ones.
By no means am I blaming all our problems on Trouba. Truthfully, I blame Drury more. But, the morale of this team was mishandled by many.
- Tonybere

This is the part baffles me. We knew heading into this season that poop was going down. You don’t lose a series up 2-0 (on the road btw) and get eliminated, and then lose in the ECF and expect nothing to happen (to the players). Gallant took the heat vs NJ and then the players (leadership) took the heat vs Florida. Now if Drury goes status quo what good does that do? They still aren’t/weren’t good enough because they proved that

I don’t understand what Drury was supposed to do heading into this season. Nothing was the answer I guess🤷🏻‍♂️ which he would’ve gotten ripped to shreds for too
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This isn’t intended to start anything, I’m generally confused at what he was supposed to do

Just one thing..the net positive ON THE ICE…between Trouba and Miller is ridiculously in our favor. Which is what this year gave us