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Eklund
Commissioner
Joined: 09.15.2005

Yesterday @ 4:19 PM ET
I stopped by to say this exact thing. I have no idea if he's innocent or guilty, but we need to remember the basis of our system is "innocent until proven guilty". It's a minor distinction, but if we go with "guilty until proven innocent" then everything breaks down. I apologize as I know it's outside of normal hockey talk, but relevant to the article and discussion and quite frankly, super important for our society.
- scifi-man


Beautifully put. Thank you so much for getting involved in the conversation.
Tom Dusome
Season Ticket Holder
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.28.2007

Yesterday @ 4:27 PM ET
Thanks Tom. I always appreciate your opinion as well. I’m not saying they shouldn’t be put away. But I do believe in due process, and I can’t understand how the Carter Hart that I knew was deeply involved. But you never know everything about anybody right?
- Eklund


Yes agreed!
I also love your commitment to the comment section on this, its showing your mettle, that I have never questioned. Thank you for doing good things. The inclusion of RAINN and your "Ek's note" is just good journalism and in the name of supporting people!
batteryjackson
New York Islanders
Location: MEDICINE HAT MEDICINE PUSHERS, AB
Joined: 09.30.2014

Yesterday @ 4:55 PM ET
Dude:

They traded for Billy Tibbetts.

- Atomic Wedgie


lmaoooooo now that was a character
mikey
Boston Bruins
Location: Weymouth, MA
Joined: 12.08.2006

Yesterday @ 5:00 PM ET
I am of the mind that none of these guys should be able to play this sport professionally again, and a few of them probably deserve to be on some kind of registry. I think that about a few players who are in the league who have done awful things. Ignorance is bliss sometimes, sport is about escape, but I really appreciate the blog you have EK. But I think the NHL needs to make a stronger stand on racism, sexual violence, and, trans-homophobia. This firm stance makes the league stronger and better. Its a sad state when kids in Rec leagues are getting away with crap. It needs to end.
- Tom Dusome


I am sorry, but I do not like this comment. you are condemning these young men before the evidence is presented. After reading these posts, I can tell some know more, some know less, but most don't have a clue. Only guesses and speculation.
Hesh_
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.29.2013

Yesterday @ 9:38 PM ET
Dude:

They traded for Billy Tibbetts.

- Atomic Wedgie


My mind went to One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest. Took a moment.
Starcrunch69
Atlanta Thrashers
Joined: 03.11.2021

Yesterday @ 11:05 PM ET
Donald Trump is an adjudicated rapist and he’s now the president of the United States of America so Carda Hart can come back from this
MnGump
Minnesota Wild
Location: Columbus, MN
Joined: 06.21.2012

Yesterday @ 11:53 PM ET
Ek, love ya and all, but your site is sinking… 12 team writers left?
MnGump
Minnesota Wild
Location: Columbus, MN
Joined: 06.21.2012

Yesterday @ 11:54 PM ET
Donald Trump is an adjudicated rapist and he’s now the president of the United States of America so Carda Hart can come back from this
- Starcrunch69

You’re an idiot
AlfieisKing
Ottawa Senators
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 11.05.2007

Today @ 12:18 AM ET
All 4 series in the East did not go 2-2, instead 3-1 after 4 games.

In the west it was opposite. All tied 2-2.

Will whoever comes out of the West be so badly bruised / exhausted / injured or will FLA, WSH, TOR, or CAR be easier to finish in the finals?
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Today @ 12:39 AM ET
no he could not be a flyer again but edmonton would probably sign him
dramado
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Paradise, NF
Joined: 03.16.2018

Today @ 9:01 AM ET
I am of the mind that none of these guys should be able to play this sport professionally again, and a few of them probably deserve to be on some kind of registry. I think that about a few players who are in the league who have done awful things. Ignorance is bliss sometimes, sport is about escape, but I really appreciate the blog you have EK. But I think the NHL needs to make a stronger stand on racism, sexual violence, and, trans-homophobia. This firm stance makes the league stronger and better. Its a sad state when kids in Rec leagues are getting away with crap. It needs to end.
- Tom Dusome


Nothing has been proven in court, so simmer down with the pearl-clutching.
jkumpire
Location:
Joined: 03.16.2009

Today @ 9:20 AM ET
Donald Trump is an adjudicated rapist and he’s now the president of the United States of America so Carda Hart can come back from this
- Starcrunch69


This is not the case, delete your post.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: ""Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder.", PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Today @ 10:02 AM ET
Thanks so much for your response. There’s a lot of allegedly in the things you’re saying here. Trust me if they did it and these things you’re saying are true. I want them wiped off this place in the planet….. I just have to see this all confirmed for first
- Eklund


Nothing "alleged" about it. Everything I said has been widely reported and the sequence of events is pretty established; the text messages, the video tape etc: I used the language from those verbatim.

The guys are entitled to due process, don't get me wrong. And a presumption of innocence. And the right to seek any legal remedy of their own.

I just don't think this is a "he said, she said," situation though. I think there is a lot for the prosecution to work with here. I think they can make the trial very difficult for plaintiffs and I personally doubt their careers resume where they left it. Just my take.
Cephalopods
Joined: 10.24.2008

Today @ 10:38 AM ET
found innocent, not guilty, in a court of law, pretty much means he didnt do it. Why would there be any obstacles at all to him signing an NHL contract? Have we really fallen so far away from sanity that being accused of something is enough to ruin a career? (all of this presupposes he is found not guilty, I am pretty skeptical that this will be the result, but this entire discussion is in hypothetical land)


furio16
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Moscow, ID
Joined: 06.07.2007

Today @ 10:54 AM ET
The sexual aspect occurred. Maybe I am wrong, seems like what it will come down to was their consent or not.

monkman1967
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: AB
Joined: 01.12.2011

Today @ 2:37 PM ET
why the Fu*k is this a part of a hockey page!!!
Ek you are a piece of sh*t
The prosecution has now made it a consent issue (thus the players using there phones so they could protect themselves from this)

No longer a hockey story and yes they should be back in the NHL if they haven't been convicted of anything.

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Whipper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: GalacticStone made avi, AB
Joined: 07.04.2006

Today @ 2:40 PM ET
why the Fu*k is this a part of a hockey page!!!
Ek you are a piece of sh*t
The prosecution has now made it a consent issue (thus the players using there phones so they could protect themselves from this)

No longer a hockey story and yes they should be back in the NHL if they haven't been convicted of anything.

HockeyBuzz Code of Conduct
Everyone here loves hockey. But we all know that hockey fans are a passionate lot, and sometimes our emotions get the best of us. Our goal is to make this a community where everyone in hockey from the common fan to players, GMs and League officials would be comfortable visiting and discussing all things hockey.

You have violated your own rules of conduct by bringing in a non hockey story, about an active criminal case, not related to hockey other than the people involved were not in the NHL this is a NHL page as per your code of conduct

- monkman1967

Tanooki
Location: Cucumber Lake
Joined: 06.28.2016

Today @ 2:44 PM ET
Hey Ek.

I fully support what you’re doing. HB needs to be a civil space for people to respectfully discuss hockey. For far too long posters have been getting away with using vulgar language, insults, and other obscenities because they can get away with it.

If you need help moderating these threads, I’d be happy to help. Just shoot me a PM.

Your friend,
Tanooki.

monkman1967
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: AB
Joined: 01.12.2011

Today @ 2:45 PM ET
Thanks so much for your response. There’s a lot of allegedly in the things you’re saying here. Trust me if they did it and these things you’re saying are true. I want them wiped off this place in the planet….. I just have to see this all confirmed for first
- Eklund


wow you are pathetic!! they have not been found guilty of anything and wiped off the planet sounds like a death threat from the Ek???
Lahey
Edmonton Oilers
Location: del's basement chilling with S, AB
Joined: 03.07.2011

Today @ 3:15 PM ET

- Whipper


Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Free Wedgie, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Today @ 3:46 PM ET
Hey Ek.

I fully support what you’re doing. HB needs to be a civil space for people to respectfully discuss hockey. For far too long posters have been getting away with using vulgar language, insults, and other obscenities because they can get away with it.

If you need help moderating these threads, I’d be happy to help. Just shoot me a PM.

Your friend,
Tanooki.


- Tanooki


You know he can see your alts and all the bans right?
Woderwick
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: David Clarkson's Water Bottle, ON
Joined: 02.12.2013

Today @ 4:24 PM ET
Hey Ek.

I fully support what you’re doing. HB needs to be a civil space for people to respectfully discuss hockey. For far too long posters have been getting away with using vulgar language, insults, and other obscenities because they can get away with it.

If you need help moderating these threads, I’d be happy to help. Just shoot me a PM.

Your friend,
Tanooki.


- Tanooki

LOL!!!!
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