I stopped by to say this exact thing. I have no idea if he's innocent or guilty, but we need to remember the basis of our system is "innocent until proven guilty". It's a minor distinction, but if we go with "guilty until proven innocent" then everything breaks down. I apologize as I know it's outside of normal hockey talk, but relevant to the article and discussion and quite frankly, super important for our society.
- scifi-man

Beautifully put. Thank you so much for getting involved in the conversation.

Thanks Tom. I always appreciate your opinion as well. I’m not saying they shouldn’t be put away. But I do believe in due process, and I can’t understand how the Carter Hart that I knew was deeply involved. But you never know everything about anybody right?
- Eklund

Yes agreed!
I also love your commitment to the comment section on this, its showing your mettle, that I have never questioned. Thank you for doing good things. The inclusion of RAINN and your "Ek's note" is just good journalism and in the name of supporting people!

Dude:

They traded for Billy Tibbetts.
- Atomic Wedgie

lmaoooooo now that was a character

I am of the mind that none of these guys should be able to play this sport professionally again, and a few of them probably deserve to be on some kind of registry. I think that about a few players who are in the league who have done awful things. Ignorance is bliss sometimes, sport is about escape, but I really appreciate the blog you have EK. But I think the NHL needs to make a stronger stand on racism, sexual violence, and, trans-homophobia. This firm stance makes the league stronger and better. Its a sad state when kids in Rec leagues are getting away with crap. It needs to end.
- Tom Dusome

I am sorry, but I do not like this comment. you are condemning these young men before the evidence is presented. After reading these posts, I can tell some know more, some know less, but most don't have a clue. Only guesses and speculation.

Dude:

They traded for Billy Tibbetts.
- Atomic Wedgie

My mind went to One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest. Took a moment.

Donald Trump is an adjudicated rapist and he’s now the president of the United States of America so Carda Hart can come back from this

Ek, love ya and all, but your site is sinking… 12 team writers left?

Donald Trump is an adjudicated rapist and he’s now the president of the United States of America so Carda Hart can come back from this
- Starcrunch69

You’re an idiot

All 4 series in the East did not go 2-2, instead 3-1 after 4 games.

In the west it was opposite. All tied 2-2.

Will whoever comes out of the West be so badly bruised / exhausted / injured or will FLA, WSH, TOR, or CAR be easier to finish in the finals?

no he could not be a flyer again but edmonton would probably sign him

I am of the mind that none of these guys should be able to play this sport professionally again, and a few of them probably deserve to be on some kind of registry. I think that about a few players who are in the league who have done awful things. Ignorance is bliss sometimes, sport is about escape, but I really appreciate the blog you have EK. But I think the NHL needs to make a stronger stand on racism, sexual violence, and, trans-homophobia. This firm stance makes the league stronger and better. Its a sad state when kids in Rec leagues are getting away with crap. It needs to end.
- Tom Dusome

Nothing has been proven in court, so simmer down with the pearl-clutching.

Donald Trump is an adjudicated rapist and he’s now the president of the United States of America so Carda Hart can come back from this
- Starcrunch69

This is not the case, delete your post.

Thanks so much for your response. There’s a lot of allegedly in the things you’re saying here. Trust me if they did it and these things you’re saying are true. I want them wiped off this place in the planet….. I just have to see this all confirmed for first
- Eklund

Nothing "alleged" about it. Everything I said has been widely reported and the sequence of events is pretty established; the text messages, the video tape etc: I used the language from those verbatim.

The guys are entitled to due process, don't get me wrong. And a presumption of innocence. And the right to seek any legal remedy of their own.

I just don't think this is a "he said, she said," situation though. I think there is a lot for the prosecution to work with here. I think they can make the trial very difficult for plaintiffs and I personally doubt their careers resume where they left it. Just my take.

found innocent, not guilty, in a court of law, pretty much means he didnt do it. Why would there be any obstacles at all to him signing an NHL contract? Have we really fallen so far away from sanity that being accused of something is enough to ruin a career? (all of this presupposes he is found not guilty, I am pretty skeptical that this will be the result, but this entire discussion is in hypothetical land)

The sexual aspect occurred. Maybe I am wrong, seems like what it will come down to was their consent or not.

why the Fu*k is this a part of a hockey page!!!
Ek you are a piece of sh*t
The prosecution has now made it a consent issue (thus the players using there phones so they could protect themselves from this)

No longer a hockey story and yes they should be back in the NHL if they haven't been convicted of anything.

HockeyBuzz Code of Conduct
Everyone here loves hockey. But we all know that hockey fans are a passionate lot, and sometimes our emotions get the best of us. Our goal is to make this a community where everyone in hockey from the common fan to players, GMs and League officials would be comfortable visiting and discussing all things hockey.

You have violated your own rules of conduct by bringing in a non hockey story, about an active criminal case, not related to hockey other than the people involved were not in the NHL this is a NHL page as per your code of conduct

why the Fu*k is this a part of a hockey page!!!
Ek you are a piece of sh*t
The prosecution has now made it a consent issue (thus the players using there phones so they could protect themselves from this)

No longer a hockey story and yes they should be back in the NHL if they haven't been convicted of anything.

HockeyBuzz Code of Conduct
Everyone here loves hockey. But we all know that hockey fans are a passionate lot, and sometimes our emotions get the best of us. Our goal is to make this a community where everyone in hockey from the common fan to players, GMs and League officials would be comfortable visiting and discussing all things hockey.

You have violated your own rules of conduct by bringing in a non hockey story, about an active criminal case, not related to hockey other than the people involved were not in the NHL this is a NHL page as per your code of conduct
- monkman1967

Hey Ek.

I fully support what you’re doing. HB needs to be a civil space for people to respectfully discuss hockey. For far too long posters have been getting away with using vulgar language, insults, and other obscenities because they can get away with it.

If you need help moderating these threads, I’d be happy to help. Just shoot me a PM.

Your friend,
Tanooki.

Thanks so much for your response. There’s a lot of allegedly in the things you’re saying here. Trust me if they did it and these things you’re saying are true. I want them wiped off this place in the planet….. I just have to see this all confirmed for first
- Eklund

wow you are pathetic!! they have not been found guilty of anything and wiped off the planet sounds like a death threat from the Ek???

- Whipper

Hey Ek.

I fully support what you’re doing. HB needs to be a civil space for people to respectfully discuss hockey. For far too long posters have been getting away with using vulgar language, insults, and other obscenities because they can get away with it.

If you need help moderating these threads, I’d be happy to help. Just shoot me a PM.

Your friend,
Tanooki.


- Tanooki

You know he can see your alts and all the bans right?

Hey Ek.

I fully support what you’re doing. HB needs to be a civil space for people to respectfully discuss hockey. For far too long posters have been getting away with using vulgar language, insults, and other obscenities because they can get away with it.

If you need help moderating these threads, I’d be happy to help. Just shoot me a PM.

Your friend,
Tanooki.


- Tanooki

LOL!!!!

Yes, that is a good point. A definite scar on the flyers
- Eklund

They traded Manderville no less. Never understood that trade. Kent was skilled and though not a prototypical 4th liner he held his own

I call BS on this, this regime has gone way too soft IMHO. Did Kate Smith's family get a chance before the B running things then dragged her name through the mud to appease a media hungry whore? And still this organization sits on it's arse and hopes it goes the way of the dodo. Mr. Snider would NOT have done that!
- jtb3rd

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