The Devils have nothing to offer the Canucks that would make them remain immediately competitive, so the point in trading with them would be lost.
- Pacificgem

The Canucks to remain immediately competitive? I honestly think they could do it.

Hughes plus Hoglander or DOC to NJ for Nemec, Mercer, 1st, Silayev or Gritsyuk

Canucks then package up Mercer, their 1st, whatever else for a younger top 6 center

Leaves the Canucks at about 26 mil in cap space (minus whatever top 6 C they're trading for).

Realistic? Probably not, but one thing Allvin and Rutherford have proven is they're pretty big gun slingers and make some significant trades.

The Canucks to remain immediately competitive? I honestly think they could do it.

Hughes plus Hoglander or DOC to NJ for Nemec, Mercer, 1st, Silayev or Gritsyuk

Canucks then package up Mercer, their 1st, whatever else for a younger top 6 center

Leaves the Canucks at about 26 mil in cap space (minus whatever top 6 C they're trading for).

Realistic? Probably not, but one thing Allvin and Rutherford have proven is they're pretty big gun slingers and make some significant trades.
- NewYorkNuck

I personally don't think that makes the Canucks better, as those are poor returns. I do however think they could get a return for Hughes that includes a top six center and a young defenseman that could keep them competitive, sans all the destructive dressing room nonsense.

The Canucks to remain immediately competitive? I honestly think they could do it.

Hughes plus Hoglander or DOC to NJ for Nemec, Mercer, 1st, Silayev or Gritsyuk

Canucks then package up Mercer, their 1st, whatever else for a younger top 6 center

Leaves the Canucks at about 26 mil in cap space (minus whatever top 6 C they're trading for).

Realistic? Probably not, but one thing Allvin and Rutherford have proven is they're pretty big gun slingers and make some significant trades.
- NewYorkNuck

Respone with substance vs the vague. 👍🏻

I personally don't think that makes the Canucks better, as those are poor returns. I do however think they could get a return for Hughes that includes a top six center and a young defenseman that could keep them competitive, sans all the destructive dressing room nonsense.
- Pacificgem

I think adding Nemec, a younger top 6 center, and a top prospect (plus cap space/additional signings) makes the team more whole. And the original statement wasn't about making them better, it was keeping them competitive.

In your mind, which team is going to give up a top six center and young defenseman (both roster players) for a couple years of Hughes?

I think adding Nemec, a younger top 6 center, and a top prospect (plus cap space/additional signings) makes the team more whole. And the original statement wasn't about making them better, it was keeping them competitive.

In your mind, which team is going to give up a top six center and young defenseman (both roster players) for a couple years of Hughes?
- NewYorkNuck[/qu

If NJ wants Hughes now, I think it's more along the lines of Bratt, Nemec, or a prospect/pick, as Nemec is unproven, and we all know what Hughes brings.

]If NJ wants Hughes now, I think it's more along the lines of Bratt, Nemec, or a prospect/pick, as Nemec is unproven, and we all know what Hughes brings.
- Bakwas

If Bratt was willing to waive his full NMC to come to Vancouver, sure, but I'm doubtful he's going to do that.

I think adding Nemec, a younger top 6 center, and a top prospect (plus cap space/additional signings) makes the team more whole. And the original statement wasn't about making them better, it was keeping them competitive.

In your mind, which team is going to give up a top six center and young defenseman (both roster players) for a couple years of Hughes?
- NewYorkNuck

It's really an open-ended scenario as far as which way Canucks management would want to go.

1) Do they tolerate a performance setback in terms of a slight rebuild?
2) Do they want to go full rebuild (highly unlikely)?
3) Do they want to remain a competitive hockey team?

The most probable is #3. Which leads me to believe a return of an unproven Nemec as the major component coming back wouldn't be likely. He'd be a great addition "IF" they had a top six center they could add. But they really don't in my opinion. I don't think Mercer is that guy...personally.

As far as who's going to give up a top six center and a young dman to add Hughes, I have no idea, but I do know the Canucks absolutely need to improve at center ice in a big way if they're going to trade Quinn Hughes. The Islanders and the Blue Jackets come to mind, but again, I'm not really sure.

It's really an open-ended scenario as far as which way Canucks management would want to go.

1) Do they tolerate a performance setback in terms of a slight rebuild?
2) Do they want to go full rebuild (highly unlikely)?
3) Do they want to remain a competitive hockey team?

The most probable is #3. Which leads me to believe a return of an unproven Nemec as the major component coming back wouldn't be likely. He'd be a great addition "IF" they had a top six center they could add. But they really don't in my opinion. I don't think Mercer is that guy...personally.

As far as who's going to give up a top six center and a young dman to add Hughes, I have no idea, but I do know the Canucks absolutely need to improve at center ice in a big way if they're going to trade Quinn Hughes. The Islanders and the Blue Jackets come to mind, but again, I'm not really sure.
- Pacificgem

Utah?
I think they need to trade Pouty first, before even thinking about moving Hughes.
Fix the number one problem with keeping Hughes in mind. Montreal has a few 1st round picks. Trade Pouty for two firsts and other assets and do a 'flip pick'. Trade one or both of the firsts to fix other weaknesses in the roster. But get Pouty the fuck out of there.

Utah?
I think they need to trade Pouty first, before even thinking about moving Hughes.
Fix the number one problem with keeping Hughes in mind. Montreal has a few 1st round picks. Trade Pouty for two firsts and other assets and do a 'flip pick'. Trade one or both of the firsts to fix other weaknesses in the roster. But get Pouty the fuck out of there.
- Danny Bomber

Personally, I would love that (EP40 to Utah) because they are loaded with assets but they don't really have anyone who could immediately fill a top six center role to keep the Canucks competitive. But I like the way you're thinking. They too are weak at center, Utah.

It's really an open-ended scenario as far as which way Canucks management would want to go.

1) Do they tolerate a performance setback in terms of a slight rebuild?
2) Do they want to go full rebuild (highly unlikely)?
3) Do they want to remain a competitive hockey team?

The most probable is #3. Which leads me to believe a return of an unproven Nemec as the major component coming back wouldn't be likely. He'd be a great addition "IF" they had a top six center they could add. But they really don't in my opinion. I don't think Mercer is that guy...personally.

As far as who's going to give up a top six center and a young dman to add Hughes, I have no idea, but I do know the Canucks absolutely need to improve at center ice in a big way if they're going to trade Quinn Hughes. The Islanders and the Blue Jackets come to mind, but again, I'm not really sure.
- Pacificgem

If you say "I do however think they could get a return for Hughes that includes a top six center and a young defenseman" and then when asked for specifics say "I have no idea" and "I'm not really sure"... it sort of undermines your first statement. Sure, in theory that is what Quinn is worth, probably more, but once you start flipping through teams that would pay that to get him given the context of their team and Hughes' contract, it really doesn't come through... obviously.

IMO if they trade Hughes, they know they're potentially setting themselves back a bit. They can't really replace what he does. But they could fill out the other holes in the team, and make it more balanced. As for Nemec and Mercer, I don't think Mercer's a top 6 center either, that's why in my original post I would package him and picks to get another team's top 6 center. Look at the RFA group: Marco Rossi, John-Jason Peterka... other possibilities Barzal, Morgan Geekie, Anthony Cirelli.

I don't think you're going to find one team that's willing to cut that much off their roster for two years of Quinn Hughes, unless it's the Devils.

Utah?
I think they need to trade Pouty first, before even thinking about moving Hughes.
Fix the number one problem with keeping Hughes in mind. Montreal has a few 1st round picks. Trade Pouty for two firsts and other assets and do a 'flip pick'. Trade one or both of the firsts to fix other weaknesses in the roster. But get Pouty the fuck out of there.
- Danny Bomber

If you trade Petey, you're going to need two top 6 centers for the roster. You're not going to upgrade on Petey by taking him at his distressed level, and using those assets to trade for another team's better player(s). And if they trade Petey and slide in another top 6 center, they're probably not going to be a better team (since they'd still be missing a top 6 center)... which will lead to Quinn leaving.

If you trade Petey, you're going to need two top 6 centers for the roster. You're not going to upgrade on Petey by taking him at his distressed level, and using those assets to trade for another team's better player(s). And if they trade Petey and slide in another top 6 center, they're probably not going to be a better team (since they'd still be missing a top 6 center)... which will lead to Quinn leaving.
- NewYorkNuck

It's not that dire. Trade Pouty for a promising centre and use the extra cap space to sign a UFA or trade for another centre. After the Miller trade, Vancouver was without top two centres for the rest of the season. Someone mentioned that they were only 6 points out of the playoffs without Miller and Pouty's ghosting. Trade him, he's already broken the team. Even Tocchet couldn't face the idea of another season of Pouty.

If you say "I do however think they could get a return for Hughes that includes a top six center and a young defenseman" and then when asked for specifics say "I have no idea" and "I'm not really sure"... it sort of undermines your first statement. Sure, in theory that is what Quinn is worth, probably more, but once you start flipping through teams that would pay that to get him given the context of their team and Hughes' contract, it really doesn't come through... obviously.

IMO if they trade Hughes, they know they're potentially setting themselves back a bit. They can't really replace what he does. But they could fill out the other holes in the team, and make it more balanced. As for Nemec and Mercer, I don't think Mercer's a top 6 center either, that's why in my original post I would package him and picks to get another team's top 6 center. Look at the RFA group: Marco Rossi, John-Jason Peterka... other possibilities Barzal, Morgan Geekie, Anthony Cirelli.

I don't think you're going to find one team that's willing to cut that much off their roster for two years of Quinn Hughes, unless it's the Devils.
- NewYorkNuck

Well, I do think they could get that return for him, which I could easily come up with, but I'm not sure the team that's giving up those assets would agree with me. Thus my trepidation in throwing something out there.

NJD GM just came out and said they aren't coming back with the same group because they weren't good enough, so maybe there's a 3-way deal out there somewhere that includes multiple Hughes boys???

Well, I do think they could get that return for him, which I could easily come up with, but I'm not sure the team that's giving up those assets would agree with me. Thus my trepidation in throwing something out there.

NJD GM just came out and said they aren't coming back with the same group because they weren't good enough, so maybe there's a 3-way deal out there somewhere that includes multiple Hughes boys???
- Pacificgem

I don't think NHL GMs are coming in here to lambast our trade proposals. "We don't know shit about fuck" is a pretty apt quote for this place So, put it out there hotshot

It's either Hughes going to NJ, or Hugheses coming to Vancouver. Fireworks either way.

If you trade Petey, you're going to need two top 6 centers for the roster. You're not going to upgrade on Petey by taking him at his distressed level, and using those assets to trade for another team's better player(s). And if they trade Petey and slide in another top 6 center, they're probably not going to be a better team (since they'd still be missing a top 6 center)... which will lead to Quinn leaving.
- NewYorkNuck

This is why I think the Canucks have a huge and unique opportunity to reset the franchise moving forward by trading both Hughes and EP40. Sure they will take a step back in the immediate future but long term they will be much better off and deeper.

If you simply trade Hughes and a few "bits & bobs", as the English say, for Noah Dobson and the 1st overall, something the Islanders would seriously consider IMO, then you get that big right shot dman and you get to draft Misa. Your future star center.

Now, if you double down and trade that selfish pr!ck EP40 & the 15th ovearll pick to Utah for Barrett Hayton, Tij Iginla & the 4th overall pick...the fans have got something to look forward to in the very near future.

Yes that goes against my original thought of the Canucks remaining competitive, but that's just what I would personally do, or something along those lines.

I don't think NHL GMs are coming in here to lambast our trade proposals. "We don't know shit about fuck" is a pretty apt quote for this place So, put it out there hotshot

It's either Hughes going to NJ, or Hugheses coming to Vancouver. Fireworks either way.
- NewYorkNuck

I'm very well connected in the old retired professional hockey community, I'll have you know.

This is why I think the Canucks have a huge and unique opportunity to reset the franchise moving forward by trading both Hughes and EP40. Sure they will take a step back in the immediate future but long term they will be much better off and deeper.

If you simply trade Hughes and a few "bits & bobs", as the English say, for Noah Dobson and the 1st overall, something the Islanders would seriously consider IMO, then you get that big right shot dman and you get to draft Misa. Your future star center.

Now, if you double down and trade that selfish pr!ck EP40 & the 15th ovearll pick to Utah for Barrett Hayton, Tij Iginla & the 4th overall pick...the fans have got something to look forward to in the very near future.

Yes that goes against my original thought of the Canucks remaining competitive, but that's just what I would personally do, or something along those lines.
- Pacificgem

At that point you're going full rebuild. May as well ship out a few more while you're at it... but we all know Aqua won't ever let any of that happen.

At that point you're going full rebuild. May as well ship out a few more while you're at it... but we all know Aqua won't ever let any of that happen.
- NewYorkNuck

Agree, which is why they always find themselves in different levels of disarray.

- NewYorkNuck

Interesting. Neither would be surprising I suppose.
Too bad you couldn't have both on board tho.

Rather EP to Nashville for their 2-1sts & Stamkos more if squeezable. Preds need a C & change it up. Stamkos a plug til picks are ready.

Rather EP to Nashville for their 2-1sts & Stamkos more if squeezable. Preds need a C & change it up. Stamkos a plug til picks are ready.
- Nighthawk

I'd rather keep EP40 and bet on him rebounding as a ppg player and top 6 C.

Interesting. Neither would be surprising I suppose.
Too bad you couldn't have both on board tho.
- dbot

Would be great to have both. Manny HC, Foote running the D. Doubtful Foote would want to stick around with that, though, unless it's just for one year until he leaves somewhere else.

I'd rather keep EP40 and bet on him rebounding as a ppg player and top 6 C.
- dbot

That’s my 1st option that he rebounds but his nmc kicks in July 1st. Makes it a move him asap or roll the dice a bit & he wasn’t an issue for his teammates.

Preds 5oa & 26oa to go with our 15oa helps the retool fairly quick with Stamkos holding the fort & Hughes to consider if he’ll retire here or not.

That’s my 1st option that he rebounds but his nmc kicks in July 1st. Makes it a move him asap or roll the dice a bit & he wasn’t an issue for his teammates.

Preds 5oa & 26oa to go with our 15oa helps the retool fairly quick with Stamkos holding the fort & Hughes to consider if he’ll retire here or not.
- Nighthawk

Yeah, given his current perceived value, I would bet on him improving rather than trading him for pennies on the dollar.

I'm not convinced you would get that package from Nashville atm anyways.