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Pacificgem
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver Island BC
Joined: 07.01.2007

Saturday @ 10:13 PM ET
Not funny. This one really stings. I deserved at least one more year out of these kids. North Dakota...really?


Fuck.

- Load Management

I know, right? Da Fuq?
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Saturday @ 10:24 PM ET
Not funny. This one really stings. I deserved at least one more year out of these kids. North Dakota...really?


Fuck.

- Load Management

NIL baby, gotta take a bit of dough
Danny Bomber
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.01.2017

Saturday @ 10:24 PM ET
Anyways, the Canucks will be a good playoff team it just takes a little tweaking. If Boeser stays and Hughes as well plus a healthy Demko we still have good pieces in place just need to complement what we have. Team only finished 6-7 points out of a PO spot not much needs to be done.
- ScotlandVonRickens

Lordy takes a similar stand. Coincidence?
Load Management
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Billings Spit, BC
Joined: 09.22.2019

Saturday @ 10:42 PM ET
NIL baby, gotta take a bit of dough
- neem55


The CHL is gonna have to do something to counter this quickly or they're in for a world of hurt.
DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Saturday @ 10:46 PM ET
The CHL is gonna have to do something to counter this quickly or they're in for a world of hurt.
- Load Management


They won't, most CHL teams are run on shoestring budgets, you'd have all the best players on teams like Calgary, Edmonton, Vancouver, Victoria, Kamloops, Kelowna and all the bigger markets that have the money that they can throw around at players. I know Kelowna has incentives for players who stay past their draft years like free cars and other perks to try and keep them in their system until they age out.
Load Management
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Billings Spit, BC
Joined: 09.22.2019

Saturday @ 11:10 PM ET
They won't, most CHL teams are run on shoestring budgets, you'd have all the best players on teams like Calgary, Edmonton, Vancouver, Victoria, Kamloops, Kelowna and all the bigger markets that have the money that they can throw around at players. I know Kelowna has incentives for players who stay past their draft years like free cars and other perks to try and keep them in their system until they age out.
- DariusKnight


As Neemer mentioned, allowing the players to monetize their likeness has changed the NCAA. Perhaps a change in licensing. Expand sponsorship. There's ways to create revenue streams just waiting for the CHL to knock. Look at how the NHL has grown in that area the last couple of decades. Certainly an organization as established as the CHL can do the same.
DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Saturday @ 11:39 PM ET
As Neemer mentioned, allowing the players to monetize their likeness has changed the NCAA. Perhaps a change in licensing. Expand sponsorship. There's ways to create revenue streams just waiting for the CHL to knock. Look at how the NHL has grown in that area the last couple of decades. Certainly an organization as established as the CHL can do the same.
- Load Management


Again, it will only benefit bigger market teams, and will also essentually turn players semi-pro which would make them ineligible for NCAA and even Canadian universities (especially for those who have no hope of ever making a living playing hockey). This isn't the NCAA, the CHL is already a semi-pro league when you consider the level of hockey being played the NCAA just doesn't consider CHL players ineligible due to the fact they don't get paid for their performance, just get stipends that add up to less than $100 a month.

If you want the CHL to retain the best players, then the NHL has to change the draft age to 20 and make a conscious decision to not draft NCAA bound players to de-incentivize those that have the potential talent to make it to the NHL to go there in the first place. Otherwise you might as well just turn the CHL into a true minor league and make it a feeder league directly to the NHL like the AHL is. Paying teenagers money that early on is a really bad idea... look at all the problems in the NBA and NFL with players either having huge contracts and yet are dead broke or else end up in jail for SA or worse.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Sunday @ 12:04 AM ET
As Neemer mentioned, allowing the players to monetize their likeness has changed the NCAA. Perhaps a change in licensing. Expand sponsorship. There's ways to create revenue streams just waiting for the CHL to knock. Look at how the NHL has grown in that area the last couple of decades. Certainly an organization as established as the CHL can do the same.
- Load Management

They absolutely can do the same thing and allow these young guys the opportunity to capitalize on their popularity. The puck is in their zone on this.

Load Management
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Billings Spit, BC
Joined: 09.22.2019

Sunday @ 12:24 AM ET
Again, it will only benefit bigger market teams, and will also essentually turn players semi-pro which would make them ineligible for NCAA and even Canadian universities (especially for those who have no hope of ever making a living playing hockey). This isn't the NCAA, the CHL is already a semi-pro league when you consider the level of hockey being played the NCAA just doesn't consider CHL players ineligible due to the fact they don't get paid for their performance, just get stipends that add up to less than $100 a month.

If you want the CHL to retain the best players, then the NHL has to change the draft age to 20 and make a conscious decision to not draft NCAA bound players to de-incentivize those that have the potential talent to make it to the NHL to go there in the first place. Otherwise you might as well just turn the CHL into a true minor league and make it a feeder league directly to the NHL like the AHL is. Paying teenagers money that early on is a really bad idea... look at all the problems in the NBA and NFL with players either having huge contracts and yet are dead broke or else end up in jail for SA or worse.

- DariusKnight


Name In Likeness has more to to with an individual's right to profit from their own image and brand not an organization's. So it's the bigger names that generally benefit, not the bigger organizations. The reality of the modern sports world is these kids are gonna get paid one way or another. Even Gretzky jumped to the WHL as a teenager for a bigger paycheque. It's nothing new. IMHO the CHL should do everything in it's power to make these kid's ineligible if it strengthens their position to retain the best players. It's what the league is built on. Losing talent means losing fans, sponsors and support. Why leave the door open for that?

As for it only benefitting large market teams, well that's the reality of a free market economy. Some benefit more than others but smaller markets also benefit when an entire market strengthens.

dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Sunday @ 12:45 AM ET


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DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Sunday @ 12:48 AM ET
Name In Likeness has more to to with an individual's right to profit from their own image and brand not an organization's. So it's the bigger names that generally benefit, not the bigger organizations. The reality of the modern sports world is these kids are gonna get paid one way or another. Even Gretzky jumped to the WHL as a teenager for a bigger paycheque. It's nothing new. IMHO the CHL should do everything in it's power to make these kid's ineligible if it strengthens their position to retain the best players. It's what the league is built on. Losing talent means losing fans, sponsors and support. Why leave the door open for that?

As for it only benefitting large market teams, well that's the reality of a free market economy. Some benefit more than others but smaller markets also benefit when an entire market strengthens.

- Load Management


So players who will never be able to make it playing hockey gets screwed? That's a surefire way to ensure the CHL will have to cut teams because only players with a chance of being drafted will bother playing. In a free market economy, there are limits because greed will always prevail. The 1% will always get richer while the rest will lose out, that's the reality of the free market. The problem isn't paying players, the problem is the NHL drafting players at 18 and having all the say in the development of their draftees (rightly since they're assumed to eventually be large parts of their teams going forward). If they changed the rules to only draft players after their overage seasons and not draft NCAA players, you'd see that talent drain instantly go away.
Bettmanhatesus
Joined: 08.10.2016

Sunday @ 1:46 AM ET


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- dbot

Arty party!
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Sunday @ 1:54 AM ET
Arty party!
- Bettmanhatesus


Keep driving up that value Arty!

He's going to be in every fantasy trade package over the off season.
Load Management
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Billings Spit, BC
Joined: 09.22.2019

Sunday @ 1:59 AM ET
So players who will never be able to make it playing hockey gets screwed? That's a surefire way to ensure the CHL will have to cut teams because only players with a chance of being drafted will bother playing. In a free market economy, there are limits because greed will always prevail. The 1% will always get richer while the rest will lose out, that's the reality of the free market. The problem isn't paying players, the problem is the NHL drafting players at 18 and having all the say in the development of their draftees (rightly since they're assumed to eventually be large parts of their teams going forward). If they changed the rules to only draft players after their overage seasons and not draft NCAA players, you'd see that talent drain instantly go away.
- DariusKnight

Do some research before jumping to conclusions based on hypotheticals.
There's a scholarship agreement already in place with the CHL for players that don't make it. Every player signs one before entering the league.

Greed and competition are the backbone of all professional sports, so yeah it will prevail. But to suggest only players that will get drafted will bother playing? Come on. Where have you been? Every single player alive knows the odds of getting drafted are completely stacked against them. Yet the sport still thrives.

This is about one league shifting it's rules and another having to adapt to keep it's share of assets and it's market. The NHL can draft players at 25 and it isn't going to change the dynamic of what is happening between the CHL and NCAA right now.

That's all for me. I can't bring myself to argue this anymore.
Load Management
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Billings Spit, BC
Joined: 09.22.2019

Sunday @ 2:05 AM ET
Keep driving up that value Arty!

He's going to be in every fantasy trade package over the off season.

- dbot


Pump and dump?
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Sunday @ 3:35 AM ET
Do some research before jumping to conclusions based on hypotheticals.
There's a scholarship agreement already in place with the CHL for players that don't make it. Every player signs one before entering the league.

Greed and competition are the backbone of all professional sports, so yeah it will prevail. But to suggest only players that will get drafted will bother playing? Come on. Where have you been? Every single player alive knows the odds of getting drafted are completely stacked against them. Yet the sport still thrives.

This is about one league shifting it's rules and another having to adapt to keep it's share of assets and it's market. The NHL can draft players at 25 and it isn't going to change the dynamic of what is happening between the CHL and NCAA right now.

That's all for me. I can't bring myself to argue this anymore.

- Load Management

They need to get with the times if they want to compete and keep players. McKenna could be next!
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Sunday @ 6:20 AM ET
Where’s the MAk breakdown?
Brooks_Light
Joined: 08.13.2015

Sunday @ 11:59 AM ET
How about those Abby Canucks

Winning a lot of tight games - Playing stellar D - Mancini, Woo, Hirose, McWard, Kudryavtsev leading the way. most under 24 years old

Silovs - 14GP 1.61GAA 5 shutouts .941Sv% - hopefully bye bye Demko!
Nuckerwhatever
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 11.12.2016

Sunday @ 12:02 PM ET
How about those Abby Canucks

Winning a lot of tight games - Playing stellar D - Mancini, Woo, Hirose, McWard, Kudryavtsev leading the way. All under 24 years old

Silovs - 14GP 1.61GAA 5 shutouts .941Sv% - hopefully bye bye Demko!

- Brooks_Light


Isn't Hirose 26?
Brooks_Light
Joined: 08.13.2015

Sunday @ 12:24 PM ET
Isn't Hirose 26?
- Nuckerwhatever


Yup - cus that's what matters
Bettmanhatesus
Joined: 08.10.2016

Sunday @ 12:29 PM ET
How about those Abby Canucks

Winning a lot of tight games - Playing stellar D - Mancini, Woo, Hirose, McWard, Kudryavtsev leading the way. most under 24 years old

Silovs - 14GP 1.61GAA 5 shutouts .941Sv% - hopefully bye bye Demko!

- Brooks_Light

Arty with the head butt on Lind after the buzzer 😆
ScotlandVonRickens
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.01.2023

Sunday @ 12:39 PM ET
Where’s the MAk breakdown?
- dbot

Who is MAk?
Danny Bomber
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.01.2017

Sunday @ 12:58 PM ET
Who is MAk?
- ScotlandVonRickens

Makita.
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Sunday @ 4:08 PM ET
Makita.
- Danny Bomber


This is some NFU level acting right here.
Very convincing.


A_SteamingLombardi
Location: Systemic failure / Slurptastic
Joined: 10.12.2008

Sunday @ 6:04 PM ET
This is some NFU level acting right here.
Very convincing.

- dbot

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