The burden of proof falls on the person making the claim. Granted I haven't read every post you've made but as far as I know, you essentially just point at the number of Canadians on past cup winners and say "see?" rather than parse out their actual contributions and how those rate against players of other nationalities.
- NorthNuck

Yeah, I have. You're the one claiming my statement isn't valid. So prove it beyond repeating correlation doesn't equal causation. So, what doesn't correlate and where are your backing numbers? I've provided plenty. Statistically, the Canucks will never win the Cup with 2 Canadians. Let alone succeed in the playoffs. No team ever has.

Anyhow, this is where people start piling on so I'm dropping it. Make no mistake though, there's definitely statistical substance to it, as I've proven. Don't back read, you'd be better served doing your own research and drawing your own conclusions. Let me know what you find.

Karlsson has been great this playoffs. Probably because he has some solid Canadians around to free him up from the gritty stuff.

I have nothing against any nationality. I have something against the blatant lack of Canadians on the Canucks roster. Seems like a few on here are more than OK with it. Not me, it's pathetic and definitely needs to be addressed if we're building a legit contender.
- Load Management

It seems that they are making a effort if they that many in Abby. I agree it should be a consideration, Bennett is UFA number one!

I'd have marchment and Villardi ion to talk offer sheet too.

Being a born and raised Canadian, I agree with you just on principle alone. The Canucks need bigger, heavier, faster players to compete for the Cup, and I'm all for making them Canadians. At the end of the day they need talent, wherever that comes from, but they need a culture shift within that dressing room...if I could take my best guess on what goes on in there.

This also holds true for the Flyers, they're a light team, they need to get heavier and quicker. Along with a lot more talented. They have 8 Canadians and 3 guys from Quebec.
- Pacificgem

They sure do.

They sure do.
- Danny Bomber

Specifically forwards. The D corps looks fairly solid already, with more coming over the next couple years.

Specifically forwards. The D corps looks fairly solid already, with more coming over the next couple years.
- NorthNuck

They essentially need to do an almost total make-over of the forward group. A big step in that would be trading Pouty.

I don't think any of us are opposed to the idea of adding more Canadians to the roster, we just don't see it as a necessity to be a successful hockey team the way you do.
- NorthNuck

I think it's a bit of six of one, half a dozen of the other, it's a hard metric to prove. Based on sheer NHL numbers you'd think most teams would have 50% Canadians on them, including successful playoff teams.

It's a culmination of the sum of the whole, "the whole is greater than the sum of its parts", if you will. You need a lot of guys contributing to win, but "absolute will" and "desire" isn't something you measure on a chart, which is why you see guys like Sam Bennett contributing so much in the playoffs. Or Justin Williams who won the Conn Smythe in 2014, another 40-50 point player like Sam Bennett. They want it bad!!

When the Blackhawks were winning Patrick Kane, Jonathan Toews and Duncan Keith were getting all the points but they were winning with guys like David Bolland winning face-offs, killing penalties, getting in your face when he needed to, same with Troy Brouwer, Ben Eager, Bryan Bickell, Kris Versteeg and Andrew Shaw.

They essentially need to do an almost total make-over of the forward group. A big step in that would be trading Pouty.
- Danny Bomber

Disagree. When you want to improve the forward group of your team, trading your best forward is not the right place to start imo.

They essentially need to do an almost total make-over of the forward group. A big step in that would be trading Pouty.
- Danny Bomber

I think I've heard this idea before, was it everyday for the past year?! Who was it that mentioned it as if complaining everyday about the same didn't, in fact, make them POUTY

Disagree. When you want to improve the forward group of your team, trading your best forward is not the right place to start imo.
- NorthNuck

He's not the team's best forward. Keifer Sherwood is.

Disagree. When you want to improve the forward group of your team, trading your best forward is not the right place to start imo.
- NorthNuck

I don't think it's that "black & white", if I could use that analogy. There's only so many ways for improvement, both in the short term and long term. You can draft well and have a good system, you can sign free agents to get better quickly, or you can make trades.

At this point in their history, the Canucks, the only likely scenario for quick improvement is the trade route. Or they could play the long game and wait out their drafting, but that means closing the window on Quinn Hughes as he'll most likely leave via free agency.

He's not the team's best forward. Keifer Sherwood is.
- Danny Bomber

I don't think it's that "black & white", if I could use that analogy. There's only so many ways for improvement, both in the short term and long term. You can draft well and have a good system, you can sign free agents to get better quickly, or you can make trades.

At this point in their history, the Canucks, the only likely scenario for quick improvement is the trade route. Or they could play the long game and wait out their drafting, but that means closing the window on Quinn Hughes as he'll most likely leave via free agency.
- Pacificgem

The offer sheet route could be good.

The offer sheet route could be good.
- neem55

Yes, but that's an unlikely scenario, especially considering the Canucks don't have their own 3rd round pick. Which would limit their offer.

Yes, but that's an unlikely scenario, especially considering the Canucks don't have their own 3rd round pick. Which would limit their offer.
- Pacificgem

It doesn't have to be this year's pick, in fact most offer sheets in the past come closer to UFA/start of season(after the draft) when the team/player aren't finding agreement.

The offer sheet route could be good.
- neem55

We don't have our 2026 3rd rounder. So that complicates things.

https://puckpedia.com/offer-sheet-tracker

It doesn't have to be this year's pick, in fact most offer sheets in the past come closer to UFA/start of season(after the draft) when the team/player aren't finding agreement.
- neem55

Yes it does.

Yes it does.
- Danny Bomber

No, it doesn't.


Oh Poutwood

It doesn't have to be this year's pick, in fact most offer sheets in the past come closer to UFA/start of season(after the draft) when the team/player aren't finding agreement.
- neem55

Semantics, the quickest way to improve for the Canucks organization is via the trade route. It's unlikely, because of ownership, mixed in with some stupidity and stubbornness, but that's how they can get better sooner than later. That's just my opinion.

If I was handling things I'd definitely explore trading all three of Demko, EP40 and to a lesser extent Quinn Hughes.

If they do nothing, this is not a playoff team as it stands.

Semantics, the quickest way to improve for the Canucks organization is via the trade route. It's unlikely, because of ownership, mixed in with some stupidity and stubbornness, but that's how they can get better sooner than later. That's just my opinion.

If I was handling things I'd definitely explore trading all three of Demko, EP40 and to a lesser extent Quinn Hughes.

If they do nothing, this is not a playoff team as it stands.
- Pacificgem

It's fairly easily a playoff team, they missed out by a few points. Is it a contender? No. They need to go the UFA/trade route, I hope they do too. Maybe not the same players as you want, although it's hard to not worry about Demko's health at this point.

Yes it does.
- Danny Bomber

If they signed someone to an offer sheet this spring the picks would be for 2026.

https://puckpedia.com/offer-sheet-tracker

If they signed someone to an offer sheet this spring the picks would be for 2026.

https://puckpedia.com/offer-sheet-tracker
- Pacificgem

You can also acquire the pick that you need, it's far from out as an option if the right player is willing to sign regardless. IF you want to offer Bedard for example (in the future), it will take multiple Firsts.

It's fairly easily a playoff team, they missed out by a few points. Is it a contender? No. They need to go the UFA/trade route, I hope they do too. Maybe not the same players as you want, although it's hard to not worry about Demko's health at this point.
- neem55

If Boeser and Suter walk into free agency they lose 50 goals, some of that can be made up with EP40, say he scores 30, which still leaves you 35 goals less. Chytil is a huge question mark, as is their farm system, no one of any consequence is going to sign in Vancouver in free agency. This is not a playoff team, unless they can somehow allow less than 235 goals against, which would be a 20 goal improvement. Not an easy task.

Which is why I'd blow this thing up and stop grasping at straws trying to claw into something you have no chance of winning. They need to build something sustainable and long term. I know it hurts trading your best players but if they can get the right deals, they absolutely should.

If Boeser and Suter walk into free agency they lose 50 goals, some of that can be made up with EP40, say he scores 30, which still leaves you 35 goals less. Chytil is a huge question mark, as is their farm system, no one of any consequence is going to sign in Vancouver in free agency. This is not a playoff team, unless they can somehow allow less than 235 goals against, which would be a 20 goal improvement. Not an easy task.

Which is why I'd blow this thing up and stop grasping at straws trying to claw into something you have no chance of winning. They need to build something sustainable and long term. I know it hurts trading your best players but if they can get the right deals, they absolutely should.
- Pacificgem

Ya I respectfully disagree, selling low is never good business. Selling a player of Hughes ability/rarity has also never been the mark of a team doing well. Demko I could handle, especially if they've determined his health is up in the air, but then who takes him? I think you build around what they have. I hope they bring back Suter, we will see! I expect some pretty significant moves

You can also acquire the pick that you need, it's far from out as an option if the right player is willing to sign regardless. IF you want to offer Bedard for example (in the future), it will take multiple Firsts.
- neem55

"The draft picks used as compensation when a team doesn't match an offer sheet in the NHL must be the signing team's own draft picks. They cannot use draft picks acquired via trade. If multiple picks from the same round are owed, teams are granted extra years to fulfill the requirement."


The Canucks would have to re-acquire their 3rd rounder from Montreal in 2026 if they were to put out an offer greater than 4.68 million per year.

"The draft picks used as compensation when a team doesn't match an offer sheet in the NHL must be the signing team's own draft picks. They cannot use draft picks acquired via trade. If multiple picks from the same round are owed, teams are granted extra years to fulfill the requirement."


The Canucks would have to re-acquire their 3rd rounder from Montreal in 2026 if they were to put out an offer greater than 4.68 million per year.
- Pacificgem

Ya, exactly. Fairly achievable.