Resign the 3 RFA’s - Knies, Robby, Holmy

LW- We only have 1 LW spot open next year
I vote for Patches over Lorentz
Knies, McMann, Robertson, Patches

C- Matthews, Domi, Laughton, Kampf, Holmberg, (Quillan)
Trade Kampf and resign JT @ 6m x3
Domi, Laughton and Holmberg can also play LW if necessary

RW- Nylander, Jarnkrok, Cowan (Reaves)
Need 2 x RW after 16 leaves

D- trade Rielly if possible

G- Stolarz, Woll, AA, Hildebeast

Marner' situation really is unfortunate. That Soley falls on Shanahan.

Shanny needs to go first and foremost. Let Tre do his thing with the coach, Pelle or whatever his name is can do the corporate crap. Hes no hockey guy.

Id bet Marner wants out himself at this point. Not signing the 8 x 13.5 million (if that rumour is to be true) when you "love it here" bla bla bla says a lot. Then he gets asked to waive the no Trade clause and blocking it, I think killed any hopes for him to remain a leaf in his mind, I think he took that personal. Being boo'ed, jerseys thrown at him on the last game, there is just no repairing this now....from his end of season presser, the "talk it over with my family" all but confirmed for me he's done.
- mel_vin

Marner was offered the deal prior to being asked to waive. (frank) him, he should take that personal. Its a business, he wasnt willing to play ball so Tre did what was in the leafs best interest.
My gawd, having Rant on this team would have been the missing key....could have been the leafs Kawhi trade.

Don't be so sure, I'm sure Marner played a stellar defensive games when he didn't get a point!
- Scabeh

Was it game 5 where his blind, behind the back pass cost the Leafs a goal or game 7 where a blind pass cost the Leafs a goal that wa called back?

(frank) Marner.

The only thing he can do to not look more like a greedy little b!tch and save face in Toronto is agree to an 8yr sign and trade...at a respectable cap number OR take a proper discount to show he's not a greedy little b!tch and wants the "team" to win.

If he "tests" free agency, its only about money for him and his dad, so fuk him. He can walk. The team will be better for it.

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Matthews, have to keep him but get his fat ass healthy. #1C that plays a 200ft game, hard to find...we know this first hand.

Nylander, have to keep him and if every one is being honest, he earned his money more than the rest. Nobody expects him to hit or be a defensive pillar. He's expected to put points on the board and he did.

JT, cheap or walk. Like really cheap. Give him a Reaves deal...not the $ but the extra year in lieu of a high cap hit. 4 x 4m

Knies, get him locked up now. An 8 year deal, no (frank)ing around with young guys and short/expensive deals walking them into UFA years. A full 8yrs from $7 - 8m. Set a new bar for not overpaying young talent without results and no FULL NTC/NMCs for any RFA ever again.

Rielly, needs a change of scenery. Get him to waive and trade his ass to a team that has a 2nd LW or 2C in return.

Re-sign Stolie and Lorentz. If Patches has any gas left I would resign him too. I like him as a Leaf and he played well.

Jarnkrok, Holmberg, Bobby Mc and Bobby Nic, Kampf can all go on their way, thanks for trying. None of these guys have any identity or do anything well on the ice. Need players with heart, passion and personality. Tucker/Tie Domi types...bad asses who can play and don't quit.

Shanahan can eat a bag of warm d1cks on his way out. He has hid in the corner collecting a pay check while others take the heat for too long. Face the sun you ghoulish vampire.

That leaves the Leafs with:

Knies, Matthews, XXXXX (Marner)
XXXXX, XXXXX (Tavares), Nylander
XXXX (Patches), Domi, XXXXX
Lorentz, Laughton, XXXXX (Jeannott out of LA would be the exact archetype)

McCabe, Tavev
OEL, XXXXX
Benoit, Carlo

Stoli
Woll

Get to work Tre! Not many picks or prospects to deal so time to get creative on trades and on signings. 4 to 6 guys with heart and soul are needed.

Fill in the blanks, fellas.
- underhill14

If Marner leaves he goes to market. Sign and trade is not an option

If Marner leaves he goes to market. Sign and trade is not an option
- Chunga’s Revenge

Umm thats why you do it before July 1st.

Marner was offered the deal prior to being asked to waive. (frank) him, he should take that personal. Its a business, he wasnt willing to play ball so Tre did what was in the leafs best interest.
My gawd, having Rant on this team would have been the missing key....could have been the leafs Kawhi trade.
- Fakepartofme

Yeah.... I mean.... Marner probably figured he had a better chance at winning the cup in Toronto than Carolina (who ironically made it to the ECF) this year and nixed the trade but when you see Rantanen take over elimination games with goals while Marner produces nothing AND he ends up leaving the team anyway without letting Toronto get anything in return.... that one stings.

Yeah.... I mean.... Marner probably figured he had a better chance at winning the cup in Toronto than Carolina (who ironically made it to the ECF) this year and nixed the trade but when you see Rantanen take over elimination games with goals while Marner produces nothing AND he ends up leaving the team anyway without letting Toronto get anything in return.... that one stings.
- Scabeh

Thats just another day in Leafs land.
Rant at 12.5m would been so nice.

Marner was offered the deal prior to being asked to waive. (frank) him, he should take that personal. Its a business, he wasnt willing to play ball so Tre did what was in the leafs best interest.
My gawd, having Rant on this team would have been the missing key....could have been the leafs Kawhi trade.
- Fakepartofme

Exactly. Marner has always been more concerned with himself than the team, the only thing he's done during his time in Toronto was make sure his pockets were as stuffed as they could possibly be and shoot for individual accolades.

When one of the teams highest paid players is screaming at everyone to wake the (frank) up when he doesn't have a single bead of sweat on himself, I'm sure the room is ready to move on from him too. (frank) him.

Umm thats why you do it before July 1st.
- Fakepartofme

Umm, he has a NMC now. He won’t do a sign and trade and miss out on free agency.

Yeah.... I mean.... Marner probably figured he had a better chance at winning the cup in Toronto than Carolina (who ironically made it to the ECF) this year and nixed the trade but when you see Rantanen take over elimination games with goals while Marner produces nothing AND he ends up leaving the team anyway without letting Toronto get anything in return.... that one stings.
- Scabeh

Marner thought being in Toronto was better for HIS brand. That's all that matters to him here. He's just read the room poorly, because he figured he'd be able to rinse the team for every cent again.

Team on the other hand has just again seen his disappearing act when it counts and Tre isn't going to make him one of the highest paid players in the world for it.

Don't let Horsey Sauce - I mean AA - see that chart.

He'll have an embolism.
- Nasty_Duck

How’d Willy do in games 5-7 vs Florida?

And you want me to take you serious?

Marner thought being in Toronto was better for HIS brand. That's all that matters to him here. He's just read the room poorly, because he figured he'd be able to rinse the team for every cent again.

Team on the other hand has just again seen his disappearing act when it counts and Tre isn't going to make him one of the highest paid players in the world for it.
- joel878

MDS

Exactly. Marner has always been more concerned with himself than the team, the only thing he's done during his time in Toronto was make sure his pockets were as stuffed as they could possibly be and shoot for individual accolades.

When one of the teams highest paid players is screaming at everyone to wake the (frank) up when he doesn't have a single bead of sweat on himself, I'm sure the room is ready to move on from him too. (frank) him.
- joel878

This is the biggest joke of all. Can you imagine being a guy like Domi, Benoit or McCabe on the bench watching Marner spout off like a brat, screaming at guys and not think those guys just want him to fuk off?

Berube for sure thinking the same. No doubt about it his input will be to let the spoiled rotten child leave.

It’s guaranteed Marner is gone.

Who knows maybe then Willy gets his “A” and he and Matthews can ride together as the new Kane and Towes. It’s obvious Berube knows Willy is the real deal and can produce when the chips are down and that Mitch can’t.

How’d Willy do in games 5-7 vs Florida?

And you want me to take you serious?
- Horsey Sauce

Willys not the one currently posturing to be a top 5 paid player in the league, is he?

Willy just had 2 goals and an assist in a game which won them a playoff series. When has Marner done that, ever?

It's not hard for people that are capable of stepping out of their obsessive little boxes.

How’d Willy do in games 5-7 vs Florida?

And you want me to take you serious?
- Horsey Sauce

Willy derangement syndrome.

Get a grip and seek help if you need it. Marner is gone and your mental health is important to someone I’m sure.

Marner thought being in Toronto was better for HIS brand. That's all that matters to him here. He's just read the room poorly, because he figured he'd be able to rinse the team for every cent again.

Team on the other hand has just again seen his disappearing act when it counts and Tre isn't going to make him one of the highest paid players in the world for it.
- joel878

Or he wanted to win here with guys he’s been playing with for a while rather than go try somewhere else. Obviously I’d much rather have had Rantanen but Marner didn’t owe anybody taking that deal

Or he wanted to win here with guys he’s been playing with for a while rather than go try somewhere else. Obviously I’d much rather have had Rantanen but Marner didn’t owe anybody taking that deal
- Chunga’s Revenge

I agree. The team gave him that NMC and he was within his right to say no.

And think about it, for a young man who always dreamed to play and win with the Leafs, I fully understand how this must be devastating for him to have failed in that regard or how he wanted at least one last shot at realizing his dream.

I think Marner will get a fresh start and look amazing somewhere else. I liked him alot in the 4 nations tournament and I think he could be a good player when it counts but it hasn't happened in Toronto. Both for him and the Leafs it's time to move on.

Or he wanted to win here with guys he’s been playing with for a while rather than go try somewhere else. Obviously I’d much rather have had Rantanen but Marner didn’t owe anybody taking that deal
- Chunga’s Revenge

The (frank) he didn't, he bent the team over a barrel to ensure he got a deal which required showing up when it counts, and he reliably did not. He was paid to do a job and didn't, as he's always done.

Imagine watching him ghost the team when it counts for an entire playoffs for the god knows how many times now, and thinking "this guy deserves to be paid more than Nathan MacKinnon".

It's the easiest way to confirm nowadays that someone is clinically stupid and it's incurable.

Or he wanted to win here with guys he’s been playing with for a while rather than go try somewhere else. Obviously I’d much rather have had Rantanen but Marner didn’t owe anybody taking that deal
- Chunga’s Revenge

Or both.

He didn’t want to leave because he wants to stay and play with the guy who is a huge part of him getting to 100 points ONCE but he also wants to maximize his payday.

Hard to look at any of the core players in Toronto and say they left any money on the table to try and help the team balance the roster, Marner included in that once and now twice if he refused the offer Toronto reportedly made him.

So fine Marner doesn’t owe the Leafs anything but he should stop saying he loves playing here and the Leafs to make it seem
Like it’s entirely on them if the relationship
Between the Leafs and Marner ends.

It’s disingenuous and sadly PR 101 - blame the other party.

I’d have said the reported offer he refused was too much for Toronto so maybe this is all a blessing in disguise.

No need to buy another bottle of Dom if you’ve already got a 20oz Wagu steak, Caviar, truffles and a gold flaked dessert if you want to be able to afford a car to drive home in.

Umm, he has a NMC now. He won’t do a sign and trade and miss out on free agency.
- Chunga’s Revenge

JFC.
Marner is in on the deal like with any player in a sign and trade.
He will if its where and what he wants. He'll get an extra year

I agree. The team gave him that NMC and he was within his right to say no.

And think about it, for a young man who always dreamed to play and win with the Leafs, I fully understand how this must be devastating for him to have failed in that regard or how he wanted at least one last shot at realizing his dream.

I think Marner will get a fresh start and look amazing somewhere else. I liked him alot in the 4 nations tournament and I think he could be a good player when it counts but it hasn't happened in Toronto. Both for him and the Leafs it's time to move on.
- Scabeh

He will flourish somewhere else if he goes somewhere he isn’t looked at as someone who is supposed to lead his team and isn’t “the guy”. 4 nations was proof - if Canada loses the lame is on Crosby, McDsvis, MacKinnon etc before anyone mentions Marner.

Zero or drastically reduced pressure and he’s fine, fantastic, unbelievable even. The minute he’s holding the bag he crumbles and the pressure of it being your team you grew up loving just amplifies that.

It’s the same thing that Kadri experienced to some degree or many of the other Leafs who grew up as a Leaf or dying to be one and left and had success.

JFC.
Marner is in on the deal like with any player in a sign and trade.
He will if its where and what he wants. He'll get an extra year
- Fakepartofme

100% once players decide they are gone they won’t refuse a sign and trade if it gets them that extra year, especially at what we all know will be > 12M.

Send him to Nashville / he’s already got the hats! 🤣🤣🤣

I agree. The team gave him that NMC and he was within his right to say no.

And think about it, for a young man who always dreamed to play and win with the Leafs, I fully understand how this must be devastating for him to have failed in that regard or how he wanted at least one last shot at realizing his dream.

I think Marner will get a fresh start and look amazing somewhere else. I liked him alot in the 4 nations tournament and I think he could be a good player when it counts but it hasn't happened in Toronto. Both for him and the Leafs it's time to move on.
- Scabeh

The other thing that isn't being mentioned about Marner supposedly nixing the trade is that his wife was 8 months pregnant at the time of the deadline. Baby was born May 4th. I sure would have loved to have Rantanen with the Leafs too but I'm not blaming anyone for not wanting to leave the country with the imminent birth of their first child.

Or both.

He didn’t want to leave because he wants to stay and play with the guy who is a huge part of him getting to 100 points ONCE but he also wants to maximize his payday.

Hard to look at any of the core players in Toronto and say they left any money on the table to try and help the team balance the roster, Marner included in that once and now twice if he refused the offer Toronto reportedly made him.

So fine Marner doesn’t owe the Leafs anything but he should stop saying he loves playing here and the Leafs to make it seem
Like it’s entirely on them if the relationship
Between the Leafs and Marner ends.

It’s disingenuous and sadly PR 101 - blame the other party.

I’d have said the reported offer he refused was too much for Toronto so maybe this is all a blessing in disguise.

No need to buy another bottle of Dom if you’ve already got a 20oz Wagu steak, Caviar, truffles and a gold flaked dessert if you want to be able to afford a car to drive home in.
- Cush29

Oh, I’m with you and don’t really have any sympathy for his “fans are mean to me” bullpoop. But I’m also not going to blame him for not wanting to do that deal. It’s a business going both ways.

The other thing that isn't being mentioned about Marner supposedly nixing the trade is that his wife was 8 months pregnant at the time of the deadline. Baby was born May 4th. I sure would have loved to have Rantanen with the Leafs too but I'm not blaming anyone for not wanting to leave the country with the imminent birth of their first child.
- BlueBallz

So why didn’t Marner sign the offer Toronto made him before the deadline?

I’ll answer - greed.

He thought he was worth more or would be worth more if the Leafs went deep & he could produce in late series games

It blew up in his face and now he knows he left money on the table to stay where he wants to be. At least that’s how it should play out, MLSE should not be offering him what they did previously but it’s MLSE so who knows.

And I shouldn’t say MLSE in guess because they have built winning teams in all the other teams they own - Marlies, Argos and TFC so really it’s just the hockey part of MLSE.

Shanny needs to be gone and that is a no brainer.

The Shanaplan was an utter and complete failure.