The idea is certainly out there that teams need to make sure they are ready just in case, until McDavid is officially staying with Edmonton. I wonder if this will cause teams like the leafs to hold back spending a bit.

Probably a good idea anyway. UFAs will command ridiculous prices as always.
- Aetherial

I don’t want Mitch to walk but I don’t think I’d give him a raise…him and Willie can have the same cap that would be my offer.

I don’t want Mitch to walk but I don’t think I’d give him a raise…him and Willie can have the same cap that would be my offer.
- Garnie

So a small raise - cuz he was making < Willy this year.

The idea is certainly out there that teams need to make sure they are ready just in case, until McDavid is officially staying with Edmonton. I wonder if this will cause teams like the leafs to hold back spending a bit.

Probably a good idea anyway. UFAs will command ridiculous prices as always.
- Aetherial

Lots of great players scheduled for free agency next year beyond McDavid - Makar, Kaprizov, Eichel. Tempting to put the cheque book away but hard to see any of those guys hitting market.

FAs are going to be expensive this year or next but Leafs don’t have much trade bait so they’re going to have to spend

I don’t want Mitch to walk but I don’t think I’d give him a raise…him and Willie can have the same cap that would be my offer.
- Garnie

He’s going to get a big raise somewhere, just not here

I don’t want Mitch to walk but I don’t think I’d give him a raise…him and Willie can have the same cap that would be my offer.
- Garnie

The only problem with this plan is that Marner is >>>> than Willy and he absolutely deserves more than what Willy got.

Nylander is overpaid.

The only problem with this plan is that Marner is >>>> than Willy and he absolutely deserves more than what Willy got.

Nylander is overpaid.
- Horsey Sauce

Willy passed lil Mitch…away from Matthews he’s pretty mediocre 5v5 🤷🏻‍♂️

Take a look at the last 3 years with AM and without….pretty sad for $11m

So a small raise - cuz he was making < Willy this year.
- Nasty_Duck

Somewhere around there I guess…unless my undercover insiders are telling me McD is coming home. 🤓

Somewhere around there I guess…unless my undercover insiders are telling me McD is coming home. 🤓
- Garnie

The only problem with this plan is that Marner is >>>> than Willy and he absolutely deserves more than what Willy got.

Nylander is overpaid.
- Horsey Sauce

Willy is >>>>> Marner at faceoffs.

Discuss.

Willy passed lil Mitch…away from Matthews he’s pretty mediocre 5v5 🤷🏻‍♂️

Take a look at the last 3 years with AM and without….pretty sad for $11m
- Garnie

Wow.

Even the most hardened Nylanderps has moved past statements like that

Can you post those numbers?

Willy is >>>>> Marner at faceoffs.

Discuss.
- Nasty_Duck

It’s funny because Willy before the season started was adamant that he could play center. This was their big plan lol. Which btw totally outs Treliving as a moron. Obviously Willy can’t play centre in the NHL. He lasted what, 2 preseason periods?

There is not a single element to Willys game that is better than Mitch’s. Two things are on par, his skating and shooting. He’s a tad better shooter, but I’d give Mitch the edge in skating, although Willy is a tad faster. Everything else Mitch does better. Mitch plays in all situations too. Can’t put Willy on the PK, tried and failed. This is because Willy is a programmed robot. He’s really stupid, too. But robot only does what robot programmed to do. He was never programmed to play defence, or forecheck, or do anything above and beyond getting his cookies. Canadian super star are all good on the defensive side too. It’s like Michael told Willy how to be successful and not ever get hurt.

Willy is >>>>> Marner at faceoffs.

Discuss.
- Nasty_Duck

5 more weeks until team cancer money bags mitch (frank)s off for his payday, and that absolute moron has to come up with something else to prattle on about every single day of his useless life.

5 more weeks until team cancer money bags mitch (frank)s off for his payday, and that absolute moron has to come up with something else to prattle on about every single day of his useless life.
- joel878

Awe billy

Willy passed lil Mitch…away from Matthews he’s pretty mediocre 5v5 🤷🏻‍♂️

Take a look at the last 3 years with AM and without….pretty sad for $11m
- Garnie

Funny thing.
Marner scores more without Matthews
Matthews passes more without Marner.

It’s funny because Willy before the season started was adamant that he could play center. This was their big plan lol. Which btw totally outs Treliving as a moron. Obviously Willy can’t play centre in the NHL. He lasted what, 2 preseason periods?

There is not a single element to Willys game that is better than Mitch’s. Two things are on par, his skating and shooting. He’s a tad better shooter, but I’d give Mitch the edge in skating, although Willy is a tad faster. Everything else Mitch does better. Mitch plays in all situations too. Can’t put Willy on the PK, tried and failed. This is because Willy is a programmed robot. He’s really stupid, too. But robot only does what robot programmed to do. He was never programmed to play defence, or forecheck, or do anything above and beyond getting his cookies. Canadian super star are all good on the defensive side too. It’s like Michael told Willy how to be successful and not ever get hurt.
- Horsey Sauce

Sorry, not entirely true.
Willy was asked to play center, he said what any player would in that situation, for sure I can....or will give it a go.
Then they tried it for less than one game. To give any player a new position for less than a game, of course he's gonna fail. He needed at least several weeks. Not to say the outcome wouldnt have been different, just that he wasnt giving a fair shake at it.
Marner is great player on the leafs, but he disappears too often when it counts (and so does matthews...but some reason matthews has gotten away with it - and yes so did Nylander this last series), they simply cannot bring back the same core 4 at more money (yes JT will be cheaper) and expect different results.
Whether you hate nylander or marner for no reason, the reality is, Marner's camp is greedy and doesnt seem to want to sign for a reasonable price. Willy and matthews are locked up already, so it appears Marner is on the outs.
It sucks it didnt work out, but its been 9 years.....many screws ups and mistakes from several people have led us to this point....but here we are.
It looks like change is coming.
Just sucks we dont have any 1st rounders for the next 3 years in case the leafs take a step back.
Which they could.

Sorry, not entirely true.
Willy was asked to play center, he said what any player would in that situation, for sure I can....or will give it a go.
Then they tried it for less than one game. To give any player a new position for less than a game, of course he's gonna fail. He needed at least several weeks. Not to say the outcome wouldnt have been different, just that he wasnt giving a fair shake at it.
Marner is great player on the leafs, but he disappears too often when it counts (and so does matthews...but some reason matthews has gotten away with it - and yes so did Nylander this last series), they simply cannot bring back the same core 4 at more money (yes JT will be cheaper) and expect different results.
Whether you hate nylander or marner for no reason, the reality is, Marner's camp is greedy and doesnt seem to want to sign for a reasonable price. Willy and matthews are locked up already, so it appears Marner is on the outs.
It sucks it didnt work out, but its been 9 years.....many screws ups and mistakes from several people have led us to this point....but here we are.
- Fakepartofme

The cap not rising through the majority of years the Leafs had their stars locked up really hurt the team.

I would prefer to continue to add, not subtract. Yes, they havent broken through, but I dont think the answer is to dismantle and lose a 100 point player for nothing.

I think Reilly making 7.5M is a bigger blunder then paying Marner. He clealy isnt a 7.5M dman.

The cap not rising through the majority of years the Leafs had their stars locked up really hurt the team.

I would prefer to continue to add, not subtract. Yes, they havent broken through, but I dont think the answer is to dismantle and lose a 100 point player for nothing.

I think Reilly making 7.5M is a bigger blunder then paying Marner. He clealy isnt a 7.5M dman.
- Archaic

True. The cap not rising did hurt the leafs, but other teams succeeded. The bigger problem was giving players who had achieved nothing over $10m per year....that really hurt the leafs.

I agree, I would love to trade morgan....his money could definitely be better used.
Problem is Morgan will only want to go to 1-2 teams if any. Which is fine, Im ok with losing a morgan trade....just get a pick and cap relief. But the leafs are horrible with asset management....so even if they get cap relief....will Tre spend it wisely?
Probably not.
In three years time...our D core could be looking slow and pretty bad....maybe sooner

True. The cap not rising did hurt the leafs, but other teams succeeded. The bigger problem was giving players who had achieved nothing over $10m per year....that really hurt the leafs.


I agree, I would love to trade morgan....his money could definitely be better used.
Problem is Morgan will only want to go to 1-2 teams if any. Which is fine, Im ok with losing a morgan trade....just get a pick and cap relief. But the leafs are horrible with asset management....so even if they get cap relief....will Tre spend it wisely?
Probably not.
In three years time...our D core could be looking slow and pretty bad....maybe sooner
- Fakepartofme

Other teams had their players locked up earlier, and for longer. I agree that they overpaid the core. Dubas was the wrong person, at the wrong time to negotiate. Had Lou still been around, wed probably would have gotten better deals.

Losing Marner for nothing will set this team back significantly IMO. I would sign him, and then try to make adds in the front end for support. They need more from their depth scoring still. JT as 3rd line C would help.

Knies-AM-Nylander
McMann-XX(Ducehene/Gourde/Giroux/Trade)-Marner
Domi-JT-XX (Smith/Brown/Olofsson/Palmieri)
Lorentz-Laughton-XX(Holmberg/Perry/Kapanen)

Get rid of Kampf/Jarnkrok/Reaves and trade Robertson

True. The cap not rising did hurt the leafs, but other teams succeeded. The bigger problem was giving players who had achieved nothing over $10m per year....that really hurt the leafs.

I agree, I would love to trade morgan....his money could definitely be better used.
Problem is Morgan will only want to go to 1-2 teams if any. Which is fine, Im ok with losing a morgan trade....just get a pick and cap relief. But the leafs are horrible with asset management....so even if they get cap relief....will Tre spend it wisely?
Probably not.
In three years time...our D core could be looking slow and pretty bad....maybe sooner
- Fakepartofme

This is what bugs me about the "core" All self entitled brats. All about I gotta get paid first before anyting. And I get it, you are one cross check away from a career ending injury. But we have seen across the leauge other players switching teams and or taking deals not killing the team itself and have gone on to be way more successful. The ONLY player who stands out from that mentality is Tavares, a TRUE leader.

Mathews, Marner and Nylander in combo are all poision to this team and NEEDS to be broken apart as they rub off on each other. This was Shannys downfall. One of Nylander or Marner HAD to go. The hard decision to make this team a winner. Lou would NOT have let that sh!t happen with Nylander, he would have been sent packing IMO and would have sent a message to the locker room. WHen that didnt happen, it should have been Marner.

Other teams had their players locked up earlier, and for longer. I agree that they overpaid the core. Dubas was the wrong person, at the wrong time to negotiate. Had Lou still been around, wed probably would have gotten better deals.

Losing Marner for nothing will set this team back significantly IMO. I would sign him, and then try to make adds in the front end for support. They need more from their depth scoring still. JT as 3rd line C would help.

Knies-AM-Nylander
McMann-XX(Ducehene/Gourde/Giroux/Trade)-Marner
Domi-JT-XX (Smith/Brown/Olofsson/Palmieri)
Lorentz-Laughton-XX(Holmberg/Perry/Kapanen)

Get rid of Kampf/Jarnkrok/Reaves and trade Robertson
- Archaic

There is NO way Marner is coming back, not after the boos and beer tossing. His litle heart is broken....and even IF he DID, the only way that COULD even work AND TRY to be successful is you would have to part ways with Mathews or Nylander. Cause if you dont, its the definition of insanity AGAIN.

The cap not rising through the majority of years the Leafs had their stars locked up really hurt the team.

I would prefer to continue to add, not subtract. Yes, they havent broken through, but I dont think the answer is to dismantle and lose a 100 point player for nothing.

I think Reilly making 7.5M is a bigger blunder then paying Marner. He clealy isnt a 7.5M dman.
- Archaic

14M for Marner could be a mistake. The Leafs most certainly could come out better from this...but it is no gaurentee.

My number 1 target is Kreider, short term commitment and is a top 6 winger that is responsible defensively. Need that for AMs wing.

NYR need to shed cap hit badly. Use McCmann in the deal.

Then my FA targets are Marchand, Mangiapane, Ehlers, Bennett, Benn, Tanev

14M for Marner could be a mistake. The Leafs most certainly could come out better from this...but it is no gaurentee.

My number 1 target is Kreider, short term commitment and is a top 6 winger that is responsible defensively. Need that for AMs wing.

NYR need to shed cap hit badly. Use McCmann in the deal.

Then my FA targets are Marchand, Mangiapane, Ehlers, Bennett, Benn, Tanev
- Santo_44

8x13.5M with NMC for Marner with the Leafs

What will you trade for Kreider? Many teams would make a move if he is available so no low ball offer

8x13.5M with NMC for Marner with the Leafs

What will you trade for Kreider? Many teams would make a move if he is available so no low ball offer
- Symba007

NYR are dealing knowing they need to shed cap. Teams are not paying a premium for him.

It will be more a dump but they most certainly would love a 20 goal scorer on a 1.3M cap hit. Won't need much more after that. Bits and peices.

NYR are dealing knowing they need to shed cap. Teams are not paying a premium for him.

It will be more a dump but they most certainly would love a 20 goal scorer on a 1.3M cap hit. Won't need much more after that. Bits and peices.
- Santo_44

Teams may not a premium for Kreider but someone will certainly be able to offer more than McMann. Leafs aren’t in a great position to do much in trades.

NYR are dealing knowing they need to shed cap. Teams are not paying a premium for him.

It will be more a dump but they most certainly would love a 20 goal scorer on a 1.3M cap hit. Won't need much more after that. Bits and peices.
- Santo_44

He is 34yrs old, has 2yrs left at 6.5M/yr, a full NTC. They would move him at the TDL most likely, hope he stays healthy and pump up his value

https://www.nhl.com/news/...ome-with-new-york-rangers