Teams may not a premium for Krieder but someone will certainly be able to offer more than McMann. Leafs aren’t in a great position to do much in trades.
- Chunga’s Revenge

34 had 30 points last year with injuries

They are selling low and have no cap space and need to shed someone. He is the only player of significance that does not have a full NMC(15 team no trade)

They will not get much at all. This is mostly a cap dump where they get a serviceable player back and a few lottery tickets. The value for them is cap space.

McCmann, a 3rd and a B prospect is more than enough. Probably an overpay.

He is 34yrs old, has 2yrs left at 6.5M/yr, a full NTC. They would move him at the TDL most likely, hope he stays healthy and pump up his value

https://www.nhl.com/news/...ome-with-new-york-rangers
- Symba007

That defeats the purpose lol

They need to clear cap now

the 2025-26 cap is 95,500,000

if Marner signed for the same cap % as his last contract = 11.78m

if he signs for the same cap % as Nylander = 12.51m

same cap % as Matthews = 14.42m

the 2025-26 cap is 95,500,000

if Marner signed for the same cap % as his last contract = 11.78m

if he signs for the same cap % as Nylander = 12.51m

same cap % as Matthews = 14.42m
- senstroll

12.51M

That is as much as he gets for me.

It is a damn shame he doesn't want to make this work and be one of the greatest leafs of all time.

He just does not have it in him. The players who thrive here are guys who just love to prove people wrong.

Teams may not a premium for Kreider but someone will certainly be able to offer more than McMann. Leafs aren’t in a great position to do much in trades.
- Chunga’s Revenge

Agreed, they have very little to trade. The best they will likely be able to do is pivot Robertson to a similar type of prospect. They could trade McMann for sure, but why would you do that with a cap hit of 1M.

Agreed, they have very little to trade. The best they will likely be able to do is pivot Robertson to a similar type of prospect. They could trade McMann for sure, but why would you do that with a cap hit of 1M.
- Archaic

Well Krieder is better.

McCmann likely costs 3.5-4M next year if he keeps playing like he has the last few years.

the Lord has blessed us so much that we can’t afford to feed you anymore

Scientific experiments/trades pending

12.51M

That is as much as he gets for me.

It is a damn shame he doesn't want to make this work and be one of the greatest leafs of all time.

He just does not have it in him. The players who thrive here are guys who just love to prove people wrong.
- Santo_44

12.51 would be the most i would want to spend on him
But that only leaves 13.2m for knies, a 6th/7th D, a 2nd line center, and 4 winger positions.
If marner signs, morgan has to go.
Cause out bottom 6 would still be an issue imo.

It’s funny because Willy before the season started was adamant that he could play center. This was their big plan lol. Which btw totally outs Treliving as a moron. Obviously Willy can’t play centre in the NHL. He lasted what, 2 preseason periods?

There is not a single element to Willys game that is better than Mitch’s. Two things are on par, his skating and shooting. He’s a tad better shooter, but I’d give Mitch the edge in skating, although Willy is a tad faster. Everything else Mitch does better. Mitch plays in all situations too. Can’t put Willy on the PK, tried and failed. This is because Willy is a programmed robot. He’s really stupid, too. But robot only does what robot programmed to do. He was never programmed to play defence, or forecheck, or do anything above and beyond getting his cookies. Canadian super star are all good on the defensive side too. It’s like Michael told Willy how to be successful and not ever get hurt.
- Horsey Sauce

And yet you ignored the discussion point completely. Not surprised.

12.51 would be the most i would want to spend on him
But that only leaves 13.2m for knies, a 6th/7th D, a 2nd line center, and 4 winger positions.
If marner signs, morgan has to go.
Cause out bottom 6 would still be an issue imo.
- Fakepartofme

It's time to move on. Time to assert that if you have had the luxury of playing in the NHL for your hometown team, have accomplished nothing, and still don't care about anything but money, there are no contracts here for you.

The leaf organization under Shanahan has let these kids believe they are more important than the team. That culture needs to change and it starts with greedy Mitch.

He is 34yrs old, has 2yrs left at 6.5M/yr, a full NTC. They would move him at the TDL most likely, hope he stays healthy and pump up his value

https://www.nhl.com/news/...ome-with-new-york-rangers
- Symba007

- Nasty_Duck

I did not backread

It's time to move on. Time to assert that if you have had the luxury of playing in the NHL for your hometown team, have accomplished nothing, and still don't care about anything but money, there are no contracts here for you.

The leaf organization under Shanahan has let these kids believe they are more important than the team. That culture needs to change and it starts with greedy Mitch.
- joel878

Bingo.

Yes, we lose him for nothing....this was mismanaged. what elese is new here in the leafs org.

Bingo.

Yes, we lose him for nothing....this was mismanaged. what elese is new here in the leafs org.
- mel_vin

100% agree, and who is responsible for this mismanagement?

Brendan Shanahan

100% agree, and who is responsible for this mismanagement?

Brendan Shanahan
- Kinger34

but he had the best plan....the Shanaplan!

I like Marner and would take him on my team but at the cap hit he is asking and what he is able to do in the playoffs, I'd pass. Leafs have plenty of soft skill fowards, what they need is more sand paper, grit, tenacity....well what ever Brian said a few years back.

Use the Marner money to sign a 7-8M player and use the other 4-6M to sign another top 9 player that will help push in the playoffs.

Bingo.

Yes, we lose him for nothing....this was mismanaged. what elese is new here in the leafs org.
- mel_vin

Mismanaged how? He’s had a NMC for the past two years. All top players have NMCs. Trade him three years ago? He was coming off a 99 point season with 14 points in 11 playoff games.

This whole idea of every player who leaves at the end of their contract is a sign of bad asset management is silly.

Mismanaged how? He’s had a NMC for the past two years. All top players have NMCs. Trade him three years ago? He was coming off a 99 point season with 14 points in 11 playoff games.

This whole idea of every player who leaves at the end of their contract is a sign of bad asset management is silly.
- Chunga’s Revenge

I think he meant having the core 5 guys all with NMC, that's handcuffing Mgmt to make any changes. Nobody forced anybody to sign so both sides knew what they were doing.

but he had the best plan....the Shanaplan!

I like Marner and would take him on my team but at the cap hit he is asking and what he is able to do in the playoffs, I'd pass. Leafs have plenty of soft skill fowards, what they need is more sand paper, grit, tenacity....well what ever Brian said a few years back.

Use the Marner money to sign a 7-8M player and use the other 4-6M to sign another top 9 player that will help push in the playoffs.
- Symba007

Bennett and Marchand.

Mismanaged how? He’s had a NMC for the past two years. All top players have NMCs. Trade him three years ago? He was coming off a 99 point season with 14 points in 11 playoff games.

This whole idea of every player who leaves at the end of their contract is a sign of bad asset management is silly.
- Chunga’s Revenge

Mismanaged in the fact that this org did not use the RFA leverage they had, and instead, let the players cash in on practically zero accomplishments at the time.

They also allowed Tavares to be the comparable, which is not fair since he was a 9-year UFA veteran.

But it goes the other way too: Lou cheaping out on the rookie bonuses on Marner made that camp dig their heels in.

This team has had a history of mismanagement dating back to Ballard years and it needs to stop now.

It's time to move on. Time to assert that if you have had the luxury of playing in the NHL for your hometown team, have accomplished nothing, and still don't care about anything but money, there are no contracts here for you.

The leaf organization under Shanahan has let these kids believe they are more important than the team. That culture needs to change and it starts with greedy Mitch.
- joel878

Agreed, the culture needs to change.
Unfortunately, we still have matthews who pretty much has the same mentality as marner.

100% agree, and who is responsible for this mismanagement?

Brendan Shanahan
- Kinger34

Dubas did the deals.
Lou screwed marner from the getgo.

Mismanaged how? He’s had a NMC for the past two years. All top players have NMCs. Trade him three years ago? He was coming off a 99 point season with 14 points in 11 playoff games.

This whole idea of every player who leaves at the end of their contract is a sign of bad asset management is silly.
- Chunga’s Revenge

But its not. Sure thats gonna happen....but for the leafs it happens alot.
They handed NMC/NTC's when the players hadnt earned it.
They handed out huge contracts to players who hadnt earned it.
The blew through 1st rounders like they twice as many as they did.

Tre tried to recoup an asset for Marner in the Rant offer.
Had that trade gone through....it could be Rant vs Marner right now in Con finals.
Would have been sweet.
Instead Marner is out, Rant is in the gone finals but up against McD....boring lol.

Dubas did the deals.
Lou screwed marner from the getgo.
- Fakepartofme

The Lou screwed Marner thing is a bit of a joke. Fact is Marner got filthy rich fast, playing for his hometown team. Does anyone really believe because of Lou Mitch needed to bend the team over to be worth 105 million instead of 100?

The problem there is Dubas. Dubas should have told him he was spoiled and entitled, that Mitch signed the contract that Mitch signed with Lou, that there's no backpay in this game and if he doesn't like it he could play in Russia until he's 25.

The Lou screwed Marner thing is a bit of a joke. Fact is Marner got filthy rich fast, playing for his hometown team. Does anyone really believe because of Lou Mitch needed to bend the team over to be worth 105 million instead of 100?

The problem there is Dubas. Dubas should have told him he was spoiled and entitled, that Mitch signed the contract that Mitch signed with Lou, that there's no backpay in this game and if he doesn't like it he could play in Russia until he's 25.
- joel878

I did not backread
- Symba007