It is a double standard dude.

If you are going to predict players coming in you predict players going as well. This is not rocket science.
- Santo_44

Its not.
In my original post and suggestion both were still here and on the cap.
I wasnt dealing with hypothetical trades...just hypothetical signings as it was posed.

You can offer up whatever suggestion you want.

Anyways, moving on.

Well in theory, yes.
But doesnt that present the same type of issue...going into the playoffs as a 7th or 8th seed and playing the better teams in the first round?
Honestly, whether people want to admit or not.....even losing 50 of Marners 100pts will impact the teams results and lower their win totals (reg season and the first 4 games of the round...lol).
When Matthews was injured, we had marner running the show......we wont anymore. Can willie step up? Sure, maybe, hopefully.
Scoring has been an issue for the leafs in the playoffs...so I guess we'll have to wait and see where those pts are distributed. IMO, you have to replace some in the top 6 and we desperately need some in the bottom 6.
I agree that we can no longer be top heavy, something has to change, just not sure the grass will be as green as we hope on the other side.
We'll have our answer a year from now....lol thats not too long no?

- Fakepartofme

Well the leading goal scorer in the playoffs might be a nice add.

Well in theory, yes.
But doesnt that present the same type of issue...going into the playoffs as a 7th or 8th seed and playing the better teams in the first round?
Honestly, whether people want to admit or not.....even losing 50 of Marners 100pts will impact the teams results and lower their win totals (reg season and the first 4 games of the round...lol).
When Matthews was injured, we had marner running the show......we wont anymore. Can willie step up? Sure, maybe, hopefully.
Scoring has been an issue for the leafs in the playoffs...so I guess we'll have to wait and see where those pts are distributed. IMO, you have to replace some in the top 6 and we desperately need some in the bottom 6.
I agree that we can no longer be top heavy, something has to change, just not sure the grass will be as green as we hope on the other side.
We'll have our answer a year from now....lol thats not too long no?

- Fakepartofme

I think it’s safe to say most folks look at the Panthers as the model to copy right now as far as roster construction.

Did you know the player with the most points on the Panthers was Reinhart with 81?

He was also their top goal scorer with 39 total goals.

Verhaeghe who many gripe about the Leafs not keeping had 20 goals and 33 assists……and was a -14

Sam Bennett had 25 goals, 26 assists and was a -15

So to summarize they didn’t have a single player who even score 40 goals and one guy who got 81 points with the next closest for points being Barkov with 71 points and for goals being Bennett with 25 goals.

And no, they didn’t ride unreal goaltending all year, BOB had a 2.44GAA and a .906 save %

The back up Vanecek was way worse at 3.64 GAA and a .884 Save %.

This is my point, the Panthers are just “built differently” than the Leafs – they are built for playoff success and regular season ‘good enough’.

To me if the Leafs have an opportunity and the flexibility to change and as TRE said “change the DNA” then that’s what I want them to. Not to try and replace the 100 point / Selke nominee Marner in full but replace some of that but also add in some of what he, the rest of the core and the bottom 6 simply hasn’t been able to deliver.

FOR ME that’s not worse that’s better but I can appreciate others don’t see it the same way as I do.

I think it’s safe to say most folks look at the Panthers as the model to copy right now as far as roster construction.

Did you know the player with the most points on the Panthers was Reinhart with 81?

He was also their top goal scorer with 39 total goals.

Verhaeghe who many gripe about the Leafs not keeping had 20 goals and 33 assists……and was a -14

Sam Bennett had 25 goals, 26 assists and was a -15

So to summarize they didn’t have a single player who even score 40 goals and one guy who got 81 points with the next closest for points being Barkov with 71 points and for goals being Bennett with 25 goals.

And no, they didn’t ride unreal goaltending all year, BOB had a 2.44GAA and a .906 save %

The back up Vanecek was way worse at 3.64 GAA and a .884 Save %.

This is my point, the Panthers are just “built differently” than the Leafs – they are built for playoff success and regular season ‘good enough’.

To me if the Leafs have an opportunity and the flexibility to change and as TRE said “change the DNA” then that’s what I want them to. Not to try and replace the 100 point / Selke nominee Marner in full but replace some of that but also add in some of what he, the rest of the core and the bottom 6 simply hasn’t been able to deliver.

FOR ME that’s not worse that’s better but I can appreciate others don’t see it the same way as I do.
- Cush29

Sure.
But they also had what a $96m cap?
I dont think the leafs will have enough money build a team similar to the panthers via free agency.
But we'll see.

Glad things havent changed with you.
Always so female dogy.

No double standard.
The question was....
"How many points do the Leafs have in 2025-26 if..
-they dont re-sign marner and dont replace him
-replace him with Bennett
-replace with player of your choice (name them)"
I didnt suggest any trades, so kampf and Jarnie are still on the team (people have been trading these guys for years).
You feel like their contracts may not be there (and they may not) but as today, right now for the purpose of my response...they are.
- Fakepartofme

Well they have to replace him with somebody. Whether it's Connor McDavid or Owen Beck, they have to replace his roster spot with someone, either externally or internally. Who takes his spot on the roster would impact my answer.

Sure.
But they also had what a $96m cap?
I dont think the leafs will have enough money build a team similar to the panthers via free agency.
But we'll see.
- Fakepartofme

Well the Panthers don’t have enough money to build the same team. They’re $10M, Verhaege is getting a $3M raise and Bennett will need more if they hope to keep him.

I’m not even sure that the Leafs don’t have the “right kind of team”. They played more of a playoff style game all season, winning low scoring games, protecting leads, good D and goaltending. That kind of continued until they got smacked in the mouth in game 3 and weren’t really able to recover.

I say let Marner walk, chase down Marchand and Bennet, resign Knies. Give JT what’s left (he disappeared in round 2 as much as anyone) if he wants to remain a Leaf. Unless there’s an acceptable way to unload Rielly, you keep him and look to add an OD at the TDL. Chase the MM big-kahuna replacement in the 2026 offseason.

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Well they have to replace him with somebody. Whether it's Connor McDavid or Owen Beck, they have to replace his roster spot with someone, either externally or internally. Who takes his spot on the roster would impact my answer.
- jmatchett383

I think mcdavid stays in Edmonton.
Who is Owen beck?
The leafs have no 1st rounders for years....so i dont them getting him if hes a high draft pick.

I don’t see JT staying in the 2C spot if they get Bennet. Put him on the wing instead of McMann or move him to 3C.
- Chunga’s Revenge

Less concerned about where JT or Bennett is, but with both, all of sudden our 3rd line looks a whole lot better.

luke fox
@lukefoxjukebox
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21m
Matthew Tkachuk recalls his first time grabbing food after he got traded to the Panthers. A local asked what he did for a living.

Tkachuk told the stranger he played hockey.

"A hockey player? In Florida? You must not be very good."

Tax break, anonymity, sunshiney goodness during the winter months... what more could you want?

Marner is not McDavid. He doesn't control games or carry teams to tough wins. So there's that.

"Replacing" his 100 points is a ridiculous question because it doesn't need to be replaced at all.

Replace Marner's GWGs and Primary Assists on GWGs is probably the only type of metric that is close to getting an answer, even still its massively subjective.

Cups over cookies is exactly right. I don't care that Marner got 4 assists on a game the Leafs win 7-1, especially if it's the second assist or even primary assist on goals 3-7. Who cares if they didn't win the team the game?!?!

Marner is easily replaceable. Marner's point totals do not need to be replaced. He had maybe 2 or 3 GWGs, maybe, and I think none in elimination games. Don't know how to find his primary assists on GWGs but it's not worth $14 million and two-fists full of first round exits.

(frank) Marner. He can stay or he can go. Any one of the high paid dudes can stay or go just not all of them.

Leafs need to keep 3 out 4 and lose Rielly so they can lose some of the expensive wussy on the roster, fill out the bottom six with some talent and get someone better than the drunk-coke head as the #1LD.

Knies, Matthews, $8M RW
Tavares, $6M C, Nylander
Domi, $4M C, B. Tanev
Lorentz, Laughton, Jeannot

McCabe, Tanev
$5M Banger, Carlo
Benoit, OEL

Stolie

Marner is not McDavid. He doesn't control games or carry teams to tough wins. So there's that.

"Replacing" his 100 points is a ridiculous question because it doesn't need to be replaced at all.

Replace Marner's GWGs and Primary Assists on GWGs is probably the only type of metric that is close to getting an answer, even still its massively subjective.

Cups over cookies is exactly right. I don't care that Marner got 4 assists on a game the Leafs win 7-1, especially if it's the second assist or even primary assist on goals 3-7. Who cares if they didn't win the team the game?!?!

Marner is easily replaceable. Marner's point totals do not need to be replaced. He had maybe 2 or 3 GWGs, maybe, and I think none in elimination games. Don't know how to find his primary assists on GWGs but it's not worth $14 million and two-fists full of first round exits.

(frank) Marner. He can stay or he can go. Any one of the high paid dudes can stay or go just not all of them.

Leafs need to keep 3 out 4 and lose Rielly so they can lose some of the expensive wussy on the roster, fill out the bottom six with some talent and get someone better than the drunk-coke head as the #1LD.

Knies, Matthews, $8M RW
Tavares, $6M C, Nylander
Domi, $4M C, B. Tanev
Lorentz, Laughton, Jeannot

McCabe, Tanev
$5M Banger, Carlo
Benoit, OEL

Stolie
- underhill14

I bet I'd have enjoyed this if I read it. I'm just left thinking, Hillsie needs to get me a beer.

luke fox
@lukefoxjukebox
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21m
Matthew Tkachuk recalls his first time grabbing food after he got traded to the Panthers. A local asked what he did for a living.

Tkachuk told the stranger he played hockey.

"A hockey player? In Florida? You must not be very good."

Tax break, anonymity, sunshiney goodness during the winter months... what more could you want?
- gravyface

Absolutely right. Marchand and Bennett are not going anywhere

Marner is not McDavid. He doesn't control games or carry teams to tough wins. So there's that.

"Replacing" his 100 points is a ridiculous question because it doesn't need to be replaced at all.

Replace Marner's GWGs and Primary Assists on GWGs is probably the only type of metric that is close to getting an answer, even still its massively subjective.

Cups over cookies is exactly right. I don't care that Marner got 4 assists on a game the Leafs win 7-1, especially if it's the second assist or even primary assist on goals 3-7. Who cares if they didn't win the team the game?!?!

Marner is easily replaceable. Marner's point totals do not need to be replaced. He had maybe 2 or 3 GWGs, maybe, and I think none in elimination games. Don't know how to find his primary assists on GWGs but it's not worth $14 million and two-fists full of first round exits.

(frank) Marner. He can stay or he can go. Any one of the high paid dudes can stay or go just not all of them.

Leafs need to keep 3 out 4 and lose Rielly so they can lose some of the expensive wussy on the roster, fill out the bottom six with some talent and get someone better than the drunk-coke head as the #1LD.

Knies, Matthews, $8M RW
Tavares, $6M C, Nylander
Domi, $4M C, B. Tanev
Lorentz, Laughton, Jeannot

McCabe, Tanev
$5M Banger, Carlo
Benoit, OEL

Stolie
- underhill14

Whether you like marner or not, its so foolish to say hes easily replaceable. Youre right hes no mcdavid....but no one is.
The leafs have about $25.7m, according to your plan an extra 7.5 if reilly is move out. But for reilly, you'll have to take back a contract or two.
Knies could be about $7m
JT $3.5 - 5m
Bring back lorentz and holmberg $3m together
Sign B tanev. $3.5 - 4m...which i see you have. Nice
Not sure how much Jeannot would want?
So you'll have about $13- 15m or so for a center and a winger minus whatever contract you take on in the Rielly trade.
Plus cowen

Don't be stupid. Run it back

I think mcdavid stays in Edmonton.
Who is Owen beck?
The leafs have no 1st rounders for years....so i dont them getting him if hes a high draft pick.
- Fakepartofme

There's a reason you don't know Owen Beck. He's a horrible players on Montreal, kinda the opposite of McDavid.

So again, who will take his place on the roster, because my answer will change based on it. If the answer is no one, and they're only going to dress 19 players every game next year, that would also change my answer.

Absolutely right. Marchand and Bennett are not going anywhere
- systemtool

If they’re willing to give up a good chunk of money, maybe they stay. Florida is tapped out. They’ve got $18M in cap space to replace Bennett, Marchand and Ekblad and a backup goalie. They need to bring in a few 4th liners and the only guys they could easily move out are those good 3rd liners on nice contracts.

Whether you like marner or not, its so foolish to say hes easily replaceable. Youre right hes no mcdavid....but no one is.
The leafs have about $25.7m, according to your plan an extra 7.5 if reilly is move out. But for reilly, you'll have to take back a contract or two.
Knies could be about $7m
JT $3.5 - 5m
Bring back lorentz and holmberg $3m together
Sign B tanev. $3.5 - 4m...which i see you have. Nice
Not sure how much Jeannot would want?
So you'll have about $13- 15m or so for a center and a winger minus whatever contract you take on in the Rielly trade.
Plus cowen
- Fakepartofme

I don't dislike Marner. In fact, I love all of our players. I don't like 4 pu$$y players making too much money to have a full team. Check my posts for like 5 years, always have said as much.

And please, before you guys keep making statements like this, tell me how many GWGs and GWG Primary Asissts he has???

His 100 points are great, fun to watch, but if they don't lead to wins in the regular season or playoffs then WGAF. Most of Marner's points are cookies, not Cups.

Marner is like having a Lamborghini in Toronto. Pay a poop ton of money for it. You can drive for a few months and it's awesome AF but when the tough season comes you have to park it in the garage and drive your rusted Pinto.

Pay Marner $9M and then get a $5M RW for the playoffs.

I bet I'd have enjoyed this if I read it. I'm just left thinking, Hillsie needs to get me a beer.
- systemtool

I lost a bet I'm guessing, right?

Cheers Toolsie, next time I see you at the Boar's Head, or Falcon's Nest or O'Tooles, or Daybreak, or RPMs, or Diamond Club, or Still Life.......

Can't remember any more of the old bars I used to "hunt in", but next time...beers on me.

Jays starting pitching

but yeah, when they play better teams...

If they’re willing to give up a good chunk of money, maybe they stay. Florida is tapped out. They’ve got $18M in cap space to replace Bennett, Marchand and Ekblad and a backup goalie. They need to bring in a few 4th liners and the only guys they could easily move out are those good 3rd liners on nice contracts.
- Chunga’s Revenge

Marchand likely wants more Cups at this point, probably doesn't need a payday. Keep in mind that Florida has no income tax, which will allow them to take a lower salary for a similar take-home to other teams.

Bennett and Marchand are going nowhere at all.

Marchand likely wants more Cups at this point, probably doesn't need a payday. Keep in mind that Florida has no income tax, which will allow them to take a lower salary for a similar take-home to other teams.

Bennett and Marchand are going nowhere at all.
- jmatchett383

the income tax thing I have learned is both not really a thing and also a very big thing

Well the leading goal scorer in the playoffs might be a nice add.
- Chunga’s Revenge

Sure, but Im not sure he leaves Edmonton. Opportunity to play with Drai for the next 8 years could be very tempting.

Edit:
Misread, leading scorer is McD but Bennett is leading in goals

Sure, but Im not sure he leaves Edmonton. Opportunity to play with Drai for the next 8 years could be very tempting
- Fakepartofme

Sam Bennett is on Edmonton?