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Forums :: Blog World :: Jan Levine: Rangers trade Chris Kreider to Anaheim, my thoughts and what's next
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Tonybere
New York Rangers
Location: ON
Joined: 02.04.2016

Yesterday @ 11:17 AM ET
people really thought there was a chance Kreider was coming back this coming season?

seriously?

- jimbro83


Yes. Because he was part of the core before the heart of the core was called into question. And also because he stands a very good chance of rebounding and producing at very near his career averages.
None of that sounds like it should be considered a horrible transgression.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Yesterday @ 11:19 AM ET
Yes. Because he was part of the core before the heart of the core was called into question. And also because he stands a very good chance of rebounding and producing at very near his career averages.
None of that sounds like it should be considered a horrible transgression.

- Tonybere


I think it was the most obvious thing in the world that a divorce was happening after the things that went down this past season, people forget quickly lol
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Yesterday @ 11:22 AM ET
I want to complain about trading a super power play specialist like Kreider...

but also complain that Lafreniere doesnt get powerplay time

LOL
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Yesterday @ 11:48 AM ET
The thing is moving CK20 frees up 6.5 in Cap space but does that 6.5 go to a player who will score 25 goals and be a top PK and PP player? This trade I think hurt the team more than helped.
- Brukie


Its to be determined. I would have liked for Zib to go first, but they have to change the core. Its gonna be JTs team now. I like his fire, just cant get too crazy
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Yesterday @ 11:49 AM ET
It's been stated, but the element of this trade that you seem to be overlooking is that if Drury did not open up some cap space now, we had a chance of losing Cuylle. Kreider was the only significant contract that could be moved without convincing someone to help out the team and waive.
Would I like to have seen more come back? Sure. But, this is what happens when you tie your hands with NMC's and have to trade someone when their value at it's lowest. To me, those have been Drury's biggest failings.
But, back to your point, Cuylle IS the player who steps in and recovers some of the offense we lost in Kreider.

- Tonybere


Thats a great point to Tony. Cuylle is the next Kreider, or hopefully.
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Yesterday @ 11:51 AM ET
I think it was the most obvious thing in the world that a divorce was happening after the things that went down this past season, people forget quickly lol
- jimbro83


Yeah, I knew he was gone, was hoping it was Zib first though. Kreiders contract was so much easier to move though. So its just common sense
jimbo83
New York Rangers
Location: LETS GO RANGERS, NY
Joined: 06.27.2007

Yesterday @ 12:04 PM ET
Yeah, I knew he was gone, was hoping it was Zib first though. Kreiders contract was so much easier to move though. So its just common sense
- mdw7413


I saw it speculated that a team may want the Rangers to pay Zib's bonus first and then acquire him if it happens

Zib gets 9 mil check on July 1st, and then only 1 million in salary for the season
nyrangers2
Joined: 07.09.2009

Yesterday @ 12:06 PM ET
Its to be determined. I would have liked for Zib to go first, but they have to change the core. Its gonna be JTs team now. I like his fire, just cant get too crazy
- mdw7413


Agreed Zib was everyones first choice bc of contract. NMC makes that tough. Panarin has the move value but NMC. Kreider easiest to move. They need the cap for cuylle or any offer sheets. Just part of the business they had to do
Crushers68
New Jersey Devils
Location: Hilton Head Island, SC
Joined: 02.17.2009

Yesterday @ 12:10 PM ET
Game by game McDavid is closer to being a NYR
- Slimtj100


But I thought he wanted to win a cup 😝
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Yesterday @ 1:21 PM ET
I saw it speculated that a team may want the Rangers to pay Zib's bonus first and then acquire him if it happens

Zib gets 9 mil check on July 1st, and then only 1 million in salary for the season

- jimbo83


Does a bonus count on the cap?
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Yesterday @ 1:21 PM ET
But I thought he wanted to win a cup 😝
- Crushers68

nyrangers2
Joined: 07.09.2009

Yesterday @ 1:22 PM ET
Does a bonus count on the cap?
- mdw7413


ChatGPT explanation

Yes, performance bonuses do count against the NHL salary cap, but with specific rules and exceptions.


How Performance Bonuses Affect the Salary Cap
Performance bonuses are additional payments made to players for achieving specific milestones, such as scoring a certain number of goals or being named to an All-Star team. These bonuses are typically included in a player's contract and are categorized into two types:

Likely to Be Earned (LTBE): Bonuses that are expected to be achieved based on the player's previous performance.

Not Likely to Be Earned (NLTBE): Bonuses that are less likely to be achieved, often based on more challenging criteria.

For LTBE bonuses, the amount is included in the team's salary cap calculation for that season. If the team exceeds the cap due to these bonuses, the excess amount is carried over as a cap charge to the following season. This carryover is known as a "bonus overage" and can impact the team's cap space in the subsequent season. For NLTBE bonuses, if they are earned, the resulting cap overage is also carried over to the next season.



It's important to note that teams are permitted to exceed the salary cap by a limited percentage to accommodate performance bonuses. However, any amount over the cap due to these bonuses is considered a bonus carryover and counts against the cap in the following season.


mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Yesterday @ 1:22 PM ET
Agreed Zib was everyones first choice bc of contract. NMC makes that tough. Panarin has the move value but NMC. Kreider easiest to move. They need the cap for cuylle or any offer sheets. Just part of the business they had to do
- nyrangers2


Agreed. I haven't read much here lately, but I'm assuming im one of the few who wants Panarin to stay
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Yesterday @ 1:24 PM ET
ChatGPT explanation

Yes, performance bonuses do count against the NHL salary cap, but with specific rules and exceptions.


How Performance Bonuses Affect the Salary Cap
Performance bonuses are additional payments made to players for achieving specific milestones, such as scoring a certain number of goals or being named to an All-Star team. These bonuses are typically included in a player's contract and are categorized into two types:

Likely to Be Earned (LTBE): Bonuses that are expected to be achieved based on the player's previous performance.

Not Likely to Be Earned (NLTBE): Bonuses that are less likely to be achieved, often based on more challenging criteria.

For LTBE bonuses, the amount is included in the team's salary cap calculation for that season. If the team exceeds the cap due to these bonuses, the excess amount is carried over as a cap charge to the following season. This carryover is known as a "bonus overage" and can impact the team's cap space in the subsequent season. For NLTBE bonuses, if they are earned, the resulting cap overage is also carried over to the next season.



It's important to note that teams are permitted to exceed the salary cap by a limited percentage to accommodate performance bonuses. However, any amount over the cap due to these bonuses is considered a bonus carryover and counts against the cap in the following season.

- nyrangers2


So if they pay that bonus, is that part of the cap for this year if they trade Zib?
jimbo83
New York Rangers
Location: LETS GO RANGERS, NY
Joined: 06.27.2007

Yesterday @ 2:07 PM ET
Don’t mention the potus😬
MeltingPlastic
New York Rangers
Location: outside philthadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.17.2007

Yesterday @ 2:09 PM ET
So if they pay that bonus, is that part of the cap for this year if they trade Zib?
- mdw7413


No, if he's with the rangers on July 1st, they pay him. Cap hits are based on a total compensation/game ratio. Basically a team like "Arizona" loves it because they don't have to pay out, get the cap hit/floor, and everyone's happy

Basically take the cap hit and divide it by 82. Each game that player plays is what is eaten from your cap. Hence the whole saving cap space stuff
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Yesterday @ 3:56 PM ET
No, if he's with the rangers on July 1st, they pay him. Cap hits are based on a total compensation/game ratio. Basically a team like "Arizona" loves it because they don't have to pay out, get the cap hit/floor, and everyone's happy

Basically take the cap hit and divide it by 82. Each game that player plays is what is eaten from your cap. Hence the whole saving cap space stuff

- MeltingPlastic

mames11
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 03.29.2013

Yesterday @ 4:07 PM ET
I saw it speculated that a team may want the Rangers to pay Zib's bonus first and then acquire him if it happens

Zib gets 9 mil check on July 1st, and then only 1 million in salary for the season

- jimbo83


What bonus are you referring to? Just a singing bonus? Or did he make more $$$ somehow after a sad effort of a season?
mames11
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 03.29.2013

Yesterday @ 4:11 PM ET
Does a bonus count on the cap?
- mdw7413



I think this is referencing a singing bonus. It counts against the AAV each season. If a player signs a four year deal and agrees to $3M per and receives a $8M signing bonus in year one (or year two, or year three...you get it), that totals a 4-year $20M singing; making the AAV/annual cap hit 5M per.

Performance bonuses are different. This is well explained above.
Tonybere
New York Rangers
Location: ON
Joined: 02.04.2016

Yesterday @ 4:13 PM ET
What bonus are you referring to? Just a singing bonus? Or did he make more $$$ somehow after a sad effort of a season?
- mames11


No incentive. His contract was structured such that it is mainly signing bonus based, each July 1st.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Yesterday @ 4:13 PM ET
What bonus are you referring to? Just a singing bonus? Or did he make more $$$ somehow after a sad effort of a season?
- mames11


no a lot of contracts are structured like this these days

Mika is scheduled to make 10 million in cash in 2025-26 season

but 9 million of it is payable on July 1st

so, the Rangers could pay that money July 1st, and then trade him on July 2nd

acquiring team still has 8.5 mil cap hit, but only has to pay him 1 mil in salary for the season

it's exactly what happened when we acquired Mika in the first place

Ottawa wanted the trade to happen after Brassard was paid his bonus by the Rangers
MDWTPCCHIEFS
Atlanta Thrashers
Joined: 02.01.2019

Yesterday @ 4:17 PM ET

- mdw7413



Get out of here.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Yesterday @ 4:17 PM ET
by the way, same thing exists for Panarin if you are someone who subscribes to trading him too

he gets 7 million on July 1st, and then 1 million for season in cash
TheMessiah94
New York Rangers
Location: NJ
Joined: 07.21.2007

Yesterday @ 4:49 PM ET
Mika not going anywhere? Apparently Sullivan visited him in Sweden recently. What to believe?!

https://nypost.com/2025/0...out-rangers-stars-future/
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Yesterday @ 4:52 PM ET
Mika not going anywhere? Apparently Sullivan visited him in Sweden recently. What to believe?!

https://nypost.com/2025/0...out-rangers-stars-future/

- TheMessiah94



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