Mike Augello: Dubas Dismissal Could Spur Mass Exodus

who's being traded by the new GM?

who's being traded by the new GM?
- dmnted

No one. Seven years of losing and they were going to bring back Dubas.
MLSE just wants money and low profile moves to keep the gravy train flowing.
Imagine being terrible employee for seven years and then getting a raise and a phone call from CEO thanking you for your hard work. Wild, wild stuff coming out of Canada these days.

If Shanny even knows Chiapets number should be fired for that alone…

I actually want him to hire Chia Pet … that way Vertank can trade Derek Grant & 2 3rds for Willy … and Chiapet can say well… He kills penalties and he’s a Center….

who's being traded by the new GM?
- dmnted

Who’s trading the new GM?

Treliving, Botterill, Chiarelli, Bergevin.

🤔

Shanahan is going to need to do better than this, imo. He needs a home run here.

Treliving, Botterill, Chiarelli, Bergevin.

🤔

Shanahan is going to need to do better than this, imo. He needs a home run here.
- fifty__missions

This is what I meant by not having a plan in place, even if you did have serious disagreements with Dubas…

Tree is the only one that gets a grade better than a D.

Also, how many people will Dubas take if he takes the Pittsburgh job?
You could be looking to fill multiple front office positions.

Time is of the essence-

No one. Seven years of losing and they were going to bring back Dubas.
MLSE just wants money and low profile moves to keep the gravy train flowing.
Imagine being terrible employee for seven years and then getting a raise and a phone call from CEO thanking you for your hard work. Wild, wild stuff coming out of Canada these days.
- optimus-reim

If you're simple enough to think a GM is rated by his employer entirely by numbers of playoff rounds then yes that would be true. A GMs job however is much more than draft a player sign a player trade a player. Maybe learn about the job and try again.

This is what I meant by not having a plan in place, even if you did have serious disagreements with Dubas…

Tree is the only one that gets a grade better than a D.

Also, how many people will Dubas take if he takes the Pittsburgh job?
You could be looking to fill multiple front office positions.

Time is of the essence-
- dozerD10

It's a poopshow, I agree. It's also pretty clear Kyle was negotiating with a plan B in his pocket, and Shanahan wasn't. This is why I think Shanny needs a home run here. His ass is on the line.

If you're simple enough to think a GM is rated by his employer entirely by numbers of playoff rounds then yes that would be true. A GMs job however is much more than draft a player sign a player trade a player. Maybe learn about the job and try again.
- joel878

Dubas was just ok. Kinda like James Reimer. I've said it 1000 times 1000 different ways: the salary structure (frank)ed this team from properly balancing the roster.

Treliving, Botterill, Chiarelli, Bergevin.

🤔

Shanahan is going to need to do better than this, imo. He needs a home run here.
- fifty__missions

I don't know how. There's not much to hit.

Chiarelli is by far the worst.

Botterill has little experience and the experience he did have wasn't stellar - his drafting was ok, his signings were internal - Eichel 8x$10m and Skinner 8*$9m - and his trades were spotty. A couple of times they identified talented guys (Montour, Miller), but it was almost too early for them.

Bergevin, who I don't like much, actually has some decent hits in his track record, but also a number of misses. He is a gigantic fan of 2nd round picks judging by his trading history.

Treliving is riding high on a couple of big deals, but overall he grades out below average.

It's a poopshow, I agree. It's also pretty clear Kyle was negotiating with a plan B in his pocket, and Shanahan wasn't. This is why I think Shanny needs a home run here. His ass is on the line.
- fifty__missions

I think it was on overdrive that someone said that the new gm will be gifted a team that you can pencil in for at least 105 points before the season even starts.
That’s no small thing.

Please hire chiapet. I want him gone from the Blues organization. Since he was hired the Blues stink ha ha

who's being traded by the new GM?
- dmnted

I'm starting to really think no one will be traded right away. I think there is something in the reports of Shanahan's calls to the players, and what he said at his presser - that changes might not necessarily occur right away. He mentioned next trade deadline in his presser. I think he wants stability to get the Matthews and Nylander contracts done. Then, I could see the focus shifting to a core shakeup.

It's a poopshow, I agree. It's also pretty clear Kyle was negotiating with a plan B in his pocket, and Shanahan wasn't. This is why I think Shanny needs a home run here. His ass is on the line.
- fifty__missions

He’s probably ok if he hires the best buddy of his boss

Baseball been berry, berry good to me

https://twitter.com/chris...&t=zXygQ9RZlVYvHUlIXsYVmg

Dubas was just ok. Kinda like James Reimer. I've said it 1000 times 1000 different ways: the salary structure (frank)ed this team from properly balancing the roster.
- fifty__missions

My point was to do more with his contribution as GM was not just to do with the roster.

"It was Dubas, then the assistant GM to Lamoriello, who oversaw the addition of Jeremy Bettle and the creation of a sports science department. It was Dubas, with the support of head coach Sheldon Keefe, who oversaw the expansion of a skill development program that allowed players to hone their abilities throughout the season.

Auston Matthews and John Tavares, in particular, have raved about the operation. Players like Conor Timmins spent morning after morning with skating coach Paul Matheson while skill development consultants like Denver Manderson joined the team for skill sessions on the road. The Leafs even brought their practice goalie, Andrew D’Agostini, on road trips, even the long ones, to spare their regular goaltenders some wear and tear.

That didn’t exist in the pre-Dubas era. There was no “process” in place, an organization-wide way of doing things that trickled down from the top into every corner of the organization. Information was more siloed in the Lamoriello days. After Dubas became GM that changed. Staff members from the research and development departments started attending practice regularly. The dress code was relaxed. Players and staff were free to sport facial hair and felt more comfortable being themselves. "

There is much more to being a GM than the names on jerseys, and it's probably not a coincidence that the people who have always been vocal about hating Dubas cannot seem to provide more insight than about a player on the team or the result of a season. They may as well be screaming "I actually have no idea what a GM actually does"

The MLSE board might hear some opinions regarding personel that go against their thinking, Will they go with a guy with balls or will they go with a guy that will tow the company line.?

I'm starting to really think no one will be traded right away. I think there is something in the reports of Shanahan's calls to the players, and what he said at his presser - that changes might not necessarily occur right away. He mentioned next trade deadline in his presser. I think he wants stability to get the Matthews and Nylander contracts done. Then, I could see the focus shifting to a core shakeup.
- fifty__missions

He better at least fix the coaching situation.

And while you may be right, I think it's the wrong move not to trade at least 1 of the core 4-5. In this order:

(Tavares)* obviously this is a no so....

Marner
Nylander
Rielly
Matthews* ONLY if he won't sign pre July 1st There is no way this team can lose him to free agency. NO.(frank)ING.WAY. Send him to Chicago at the draft and get Bedard and Seth Jones or Connor Murphy.

Matthews for 1stOA-Bedard and Seth Jones. Who says NO? (if he won't sign)

Matthews for 1st OA-Bedard and Connor Murphy. Who says NO? (if he won't sign)

This is what I meant by not having a plan in place, even if you did have serious disagreements with Dubas…

Tree is the only one that gets a grade better than a D.

Also, how many people will Dubas take if he takes the Pittsburgh job?
You could be looking to fill multiple front office positions.

Time is of the essence-
- dozerD10

I call bs. Make a good hire, keep adding, get better. Next time you poop on him, remember, these were his assets when he was given the keys.

Carter Ashton
Casey Bailey
Jonathan Bernie
Troy Bodie
David Booth
Tyler Bozak
T.J. Brennan
Eric Brewer
Sam Carrick
David Clarkson
Tim Erixon
Cody Franson
Matt Frattin
Jake Gardiner
Petter Granberg
Peter Holland
Korbinian Holzer
Olli Jokinen
Nazem Kadri
Phil Kessel
Leo Komarov
Brandon Kozun
Josh Leivo
Joakim Lindström
Joffrey Lupul
Andrew MacWilliam
Greg McKegg
Colton Orr
Richard Pánik
Stuart Percy
Dion Phaneuf
Roman Polák
James Reimer
Morgan Rielly
Stéphane Robidas
Mike Santorelli
Zach Sill
Trevor Smith
James van Riemsdyk
Daniel Winnik

Deleted

Dubas was just ok. Kinda like James Reimer. I've said it 1000 times 1000 different ways: the salary structure (frank)ed this team from properly balancing the roster.
- fifty__missions

Half Agree, If COVID didn't happen and the cap was going up as expected those contracts would not have been as onerous as they ended up.

He better at least fix the coaching situation.

And while you may be right, I think it's the wrong move not to trade at least 1 of the core 4-5. In this order:

(Tavares)* obviously this is a no so....

Marner
Nylander
Rielly
Matthews* ONLY if he won't sign pre July 1st There is no way this team can lose him to free agency. NO.(frank)ING.WAY. Send him to Chicago at the draft and get Bedard and Seth Jones or Connor Murphy.

Matthews for 1stOA-Bedard and Seth Jones. Who says NO? (if he won't sign)

Matthews for 1st OA-Bedard and Connor Murphy. Who says NO? (if he won't sign)
- underhill14

Probably Chicago

He better at least fix the coaching situation.

And while you may be right, I think it's the wrong move not to trade at least 1 of the core 4-5. In this order:

(Tavares)* obviously this is a no so....

Marner
Nylander
Rielly
Matthews* ONLY if he won't sign pre July 1st There is no way this team can lose him to free agency. NO.(frank)ING.WAY. Send him to Chicago at the draft and get Bedard and Seth Jones or Connor Murphy.

Matthews for 1stOA-Bedard and Seth Jones. Who says NO? (if he won't sign)

Matthews for 1st OA-Bedard and Connor Murphy. Who says NO? (if he won't sign)
- underhill14

Matthews can’t sign pre-July 1. Teams aren’t going to know the cap going forward until the next GMs meeting (late June?) when they might get some idea about the next few years. Matthews said he wants to stay and the Leafs want to keep him so he’ll likely get done unless a new GM comes in and does some dumb deals.

Matthews can’t sign pre-July 1. Teams aren’t going to know the cap going forward until the next GMs meeting (late June?) when they might get some idea about the next few years. Matthews said he wants to stay and the Leafs want to keep him so he’ll likely get done unless a new GM comes in and does some dumb deals.
- Canada Cup

Agree, he probably re-signs.