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Any coincidence when Graves went down, and left lineup for rest of season, the Pens went on a really good run to end season?

Soft shaky stickman.

Crosby to the Avs for negotiating rights to Jack Johnson

Any coincidence when Graves went down, and left lineup for rest of season, the Pens went on a really good run to end season?

Soft shaky stickman.
- MattStrat

Pens should have just rocked a 104 5v5 PDO all season like they did those last 10 games.

I think Graves can have a bounceback and be a servicable 3LD.

Still think we can work out a trade to move him but it will be for an equally troubled forward contract. As a 1 for 1, Josh Anderson from Montreal would make sense. Graves for Cirelli? He is overpaid but would still be very useful for us as a 3C, there was a rumor they might move Sergayev so that would open up a spot.

Maybe Dubas wants to make a big swing and try to get Huberdeau, for sure Graves would go back in a deal like that.

Utah has ZERO D under contract. Im not inclined to believe they are going to want a crap contract but maybe they see something in him where they think they can put him to good use.

If they are thinking of trading him wait until Jars has his usual early season unbeatable streak to up his value

The Devils are apparently willing to give up the #10 pick on a goalie trade. I don't imagine they are going to be looking to give that up for Jarry but... I'd offer them Jarry, Smith (1/2 retained) and our second rounder for it.

It sure looks like we hit with Yager, would love to have another good shot at a prospect who could contribute before Crosby retires.

Pens should have just rocked a 104 5v5 PDO all season like they did those last 10 games.
- Feds91Stammer

Yeah, because its not like the the majority of playoff teams aren't in the top 16 for PDO every season...13 of top 16 teams for 2024. Wings were 6th overall in PDO but didnt get in.

What was the Pens PDO all season up to that point?

Is it not possible when an albatross D comes out of line up the goalies aren't facing near as many high quality shots, making easier saves and therefore SV% goes up and as a result PDO also? hahah

Yeah, because its not like the the majority of playoff teams aren't in the top 16 for PDO every season...13 of top 16 teams for 2024. Wings were 6th overall in PDO but didnt get in.

What was the Pens PDO all season up to that point?

Is it not possible when an albatross D comes out of line up the goalies aren't facing near as many high quality shots, making easier saves and therefore SV% goes up and as a result PDO also? hahah
- MattStrat

Well Graves had the best 5v5 GA60 of all the Pens D.

HDCA60 went from 11.29 to 11.05 so slightly better though HDCF% was worse.

Graves was certainly not great but the numbers don’t exactly say he was the problem.

The Devils are apparently willing to give up the #10 pick on a goalie trade. I don't imagine they are going to be looking to give that up for Jarry but... I'd offer them Jarry, Smith (1/2 retained) and our second rounder for it.

It sure looks like we hit with Yager, would love to have another good shot at a prospect who could contribute before Crosby retires.
- MacPatty

Both pieces of this comment are laughable

Both pieces of this comment are laughable
- Feds91Stammer

Ok, I'll give you the first part, but what about Yager being a prospect that can contribute in the next year or two, or a top 10 pick contributing in 2-3 years is laughable?

Im not saying its a sure thing, but everything about Brayden Yager is reminiscent of Brayden Point at the same level... they even played the same position for the same junior team.

At #10, you are likely going to be able to get one of Eiserman, Yakemchuk, Lindstrom, Pareyk will be available at 10. All of whom have NHL level tools to work with in their belts that will help them get to the big show sooner than later. No sure thing of course but...

Ok, I'll give you the first part, but what about Yager being a prospect that can contribute in the next year or two, or a top 10 pick contributing in 2-3 years is laughable?

Im not saying its a sure thing, but everything about Brayden Yager is reminiscent of Brayden Point at the same level... they even played the same position for the same junior team.

At #10, you are likely going to be able to get one of Eiserman, Yakemchuk, Lindstrom, Pareyk will be available at 10. All of whom have NHL level tools to work with in their belts that will help them get to the big show sooner than later. No sure thing of course but...
- MacPatty

1. You aren’t getting 10OA with a couple cap dumps and a mid 2nd Round Pick

2. Yager hasn’t played a second of pro hockey so it’s silly to say the pens hit on that pick. I’m certainly not saying that the wings hit on Danielson.

1. You aren’t getting 10OA with a couple cap dumps and a mid 2nd Round Pick

2. Yager hasn’t played a second of pro hockey so it’s silly to say the pens hit on that pick. I’m certainly not saying that the wings hit on Danielson.
- Feds91Stammer

MacPatty says a lot of outrageous things but I haven’t been more confident in a Penguins draft pick being that guy during his DY+1 since I don’t (frank)ing know. I guess Maatta since he made the team out of camp but out of guys that actually went back to juniors/college, no one comes to mind after the Sid, Geno, Staal bonanza.

We’ve had largely poop prospects and had to pray for late bloomers. Sue us for counting this particular chicken before it hatches

MacPatty says a lot of outrageous things but I haven’t been more confident in a Penguins draft pick being that guy during his DY+1 since I don’t (frank)ing know. I guess Maatta since he made the team out of camp but out of guys that actually went back to juniors/college, no one comes to mind after the Sid, Geno, Staal bonanza.

We’ve had largely poop prospects and had to pray for late bloomers. Sue us for counting this particular chicken before it hatches
- Victoro311

I remember everyone being pumped up for Poulin

I remember everyone being pumped up for Poulin
- Feds91Stammer

Poulin did have a good DY + 1 year. Looked like he might hit the potential they reached for, but that's been his high point.

For Yager though, he's just getting back to what he was for a couple years before his draft. Can always still fail, but he's been pretty consistently ranked high the past four years (draft year was worst). And that's just offense, he also actively works on improving his defensive game.

Feels worth getting excited about. Guys like Pouliot and Sprong were probably the only comparables post Staal on the hype level, but they had more glaring holes to overcome and didn't.

I remember everyone being pumped up for Poulin
- Feds91Stammer

There was always the caveat with Poulin that his skating sucked and the worry that he was kind of a Swiss Army knife goal scorer in juniors but didn’t really have an elite goal scoring tool. The hype around Poulin was because we took a forward in the first round for the first time since Kapanen and only the second time since like Beau Bennett.

EDIT: Here's the receipt. Barely a single positive reaction. Tojo tried to half cup full it by saying he had a late 1st, early second grade so its whatever (on brand) and Baranaby got excited about a random scouting report calling him a big physical brute on the boards (very on brand). YouMeAndDoupis gave him a stellar "Tyler Biggs 2.0" grade. Shout out Feds for saying he'd trade Rust for Puj any day of the week during the discussion.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...p?thread_id=160322&page=7

There was always the caveat with Poulin that his skating sucked and the worry that he was kind of a Swiss Army knife goal scorer in juniors but didn’t really have an elite goal scoring tool. The hype around Poulin was because we took a forward in the first round for the first time since Kapanen and only the second time since like Beau Bennett.

EDIT: Here's the receipt. Barely a single positive reaction. Tojo tried to half cup full it by saying he had a late 1st, early second grade so its whatever (on brand) and Baranaby got excited about a random scouting report calling him a big physical brute on the boards (very on brand). YouMeAndDoupis gave him a stellar "Tyler Biggs 2.0" grade. Shout out Feds for saying he'd trade Rust for Puj any day of the week during the discussion.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...p?thread_id=160322&page=7
- Victoro311

Im sure the advanced analytics supported Feds claim that Pullharvey>Rust.

This discussion about Yeager is funny. If he plays in the NHL this season Sullivan will put him on the fourth line to play against real fourth liners where he will chase the puck around for 6 minutes a night, then talk will be about his defensive game, then sent back to juniors. All while that piece of poop Drew O Connor gets absorbed by Crosby and people mistake it as good.

There was always the caveat with Poulin that his skating sucked and the worry that he was kind of a Swiss Army knife goal scorer in juniors but didn’t really have an elite goal scoring tool. The hype around Poulin was because we took a forward in the first round for the first time since Kapanen and only the second time since like Beau Bennett.

EDIT: Here's the receipt. Barely a single positive reaction. Tojo tried to half cup full it by saying he had a late 1st, early second grade so its whatever (on brand) and Baranaby got excited about a random scouting report calling him a big physical brute on the boards (very on brand). YouMeAndDoupis gave him a stellar "Tyler Biggs 2.0" grade. Shout out Feds for saying he'd trade Rust for Puj any day of the week during the discussion.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...p?thread_id=160322&page=7
- Victoro311

Kaliyev apparently wants out of LA, so we can still make right passing him up! Has played the past 3 seasons, but that’s not saying Sullivan woulda played him tho.

My hope for Graves is a bounce back season. Paul Martin's first season as a Pen did not go smoothly for him. He went on to be really good. I am hoping this is what happens with Graves. Hoping.....

There was always the caveat with Poulin that his skating sucked and the worry that he was kind of a Swiss Army knife goal scorer in juniors but didn’t really have an elite goal scoring tool. The hype around Poulin was because we took a forward in the first round for the first time since Kapanen and only the second time since like Beau Bennett.

EDIT: Here's the receipt. Barely a single positive reaction. Tojo tried to half cup full it by saying he had a late 1st, early second grade so its whatever (on brand) and Baranaby got excited about a random scouting report calling him a big physical brute on the boards (very on brand). YouMeAndDoupis gave him a stellar "Tyler Biggs 2.0" grade. Shout out Feds for saying he'd trade Rust for Puj any day of the week during the discussion.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...p?thread_id=160322&page=7
- Victoro311

hahahah "Here's the receipt" I loved that...maybe a bit too much haha. Also, some usernames in there I havent seen in a while. Wonder how they're all doing now.

There was always the caveat with Poulin that his skating sucked and the worry that he was kind of a Swiss Army knife goal scorer in juniors but didn’t really have an elite goal scoring tool. The hype around Poulin was because we took a forward in the first round for the first time since Kapanen and only the second time since like Beau Bennett.

EDIT: Here's the receipt. Barely a single positive reaction. Tojo tried to half cup full it by saying he had a late 1st, early second grade so its whatever (on brand) and Baranaby got excited about a random scouting report calling him a big physical brute on the boards (very on brand). YouMeAndDoupis gave him a stellar "Tyler Biggs 2.0" grade. Shout out Feds for saying he'd trade Rust for Puj any day of the week during the discussion.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...p?thread_id=160322&page=7
- Victoro311

I was more referring to DY+1 hype.

And obviously Puljujarvi ended up a bust with major hip issues but the idea was also about the cap space they would gain. It wasn’t meant as Puljujarvi is or will be better than Rust.

There was always the caveat with Poulin that his skating sucked and the worry that he was kind of a Swiss Army knife goal scorer in juniors but didn’t really have an elite goal scoring tool. The hype around Poulin was because we took a forward in the first round for the first time since Kapanen and only the second time since like Beau Bennett.

EDIT: Here's the receipt. Barely a single positive reaction. Tojo tried to half cup full it by saying he had a late 1st, early second grade so its whatever (on brand) and Baranaby got excited about a random scouting report calling him a big physical brute on the boards (very on brand). YouMeAndDoupis gave him a stellar "Tyler Biggs 2.0" grade. Shout out Feds for saying he'd trade Rust for Puj any day of the week during the discussion.

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...p?thread_id=160322&page=7
- Victoro311

Haha interesting to look back on. Jesse Marshall was the one that had him at a late 1st, Pronman early 2nd.

I just remembered being disappointed on that day we had a chance to get Kaliyev but didn't. Poulin was a reach hoping he'd develop into a top six power forward. Looks like a miss there, though as you know I still think he can be salvaged as a role player.

DY+1 year though I had my hopes up.

I was more referring to DY+1 hype.

And obviously Puljujarvi ended up a bust with major hip issues but the idea was also about the cap space they would gain. It wasn’t meant as Puljujarvi is or will be better than Rust.
- Feds91Stammer

I was one of those that got my hopes up. DY+1 improvement I always put weight behind. DY+2 I tend to take with a grain of salt.

But three years out Poulin hasn't had those type of numbers again, and it looks like foot speed will make him better at C than wing, so that hurts any middle six potential.4th liner at NHL likely, maybe third. Disappointing for a first if he can't at least make third. (Also why he doesn't have trade value as a first for those who like to think they'd get a good return for him).

This discussion about Yeager is funny. If he plays in the NHL this season Sullivan will put him on the fourth line to play against real fourth liners where he will chase the puck around for 6 minutes a night, then talk will be about his defensive game, then sent back to juniors. All while that piece of poop Drew O Connor gets absorbed by Crosby and people mistake it as good.
- Grinder47

Yager is going to need to earn a spot on the 3rd line if he is going to stay with the big team I think. If he cant go to the AHL, is he better off getting 8-10 minutes a night in the NHL or playing a ton in the WHL?