Dan Wallace: Dumba Finally Signs With Arizona

Must have wanted a full-year vacation.

That was the best offer?

Strange place for a d-man to try and have a show-me year, too.

Reading it wasn't even quite 4 million either.

It would be nice to see Dumba have a bounce back season. It’s pretty iffy though. His skating, speed, anwareness and decision making are in decline. Couple that with he’s likely to play even more minutes as a 1st pair dman.

Called 1yr 5 mill 3 weeks ago and folks said no way he takes that little after Holl got 4 milly. Well…

3.9 million and he gets the NCAA size rink experience he never had.

Called 1yr 5 mill 3 weeks ago and folks said no way he takes that little after Holl got 4 milly. Well…
- Turnitaround

I always believed in you

He's their problem now... thank goodness he is gone. Such a let down

He's their problem now... thank goodness he is gone. Such a let down
- Tweaterben

Was he really that much of a letdown TB? For his pricetag, yes, I 100% agree. But if he would have been more appropriately paid, like somewhere's around $3.5 mil, he would have been decent. In my eyes, Fenton overpaid Dumba. But both Fletcher and Guerin also made sure he was not taken in expansion drafts. I think he was just overpaid and miscast. Do I wish he was back with the Wild? Not at the pricet ag he has right now....maybe for 1/2 of that I would be more inclined to want him on the roster. I just wish him well in AZ....except when playing the Wild.

Interestingly, his contract has a 1.15 Mil signing bonus payable April 15. If someone acquires him as a rental, they’ll have to cover the bonus. Not the cap hit of the bonus but the money.

Interestingly, his contract has a 1.15 Mil signing bonus payable April 15. If someone acquires him as a rental, they’ll have to cover the bonus. Not the cap hit of the bonus but the money.
- Minnyhock

Guess they are banking on being able to trade him at the deadline. So, we just might find out if Guerin was just asking too much in a trade for him last year, or if there really is absolutely no market whatsoever for Dumba.

I forgot to add this. What is up with Addison? Why has he not signed a contract yet? No that I am really wanting him on the roster, but it's not like he has any choices out there. It's basically, take the offered contract or sit and pout. He has no leverage in negotiating a bigger contract. Maybe we will see D Hunt begin the season on the roster. Addison has a chip on his shoulder, but I really don't see why. He's a defenseman who is not very good at playing defense. He must think his PP numbers are killer. He had more giveaways than takeaways last year, was -17 in +/-, played nothing but 3rd pairing and was basically benched for the end of the season and the playoffs. Trade him away now for a used plastic, duct-taped ball that can used for boot hockey.

Guess they are banking on being able to trade him at the deadline. So, we just might find out if Guerin was just asking too much in a trade for him last year, or if there really is absolutely no market whatsoever for Dumba.
- Gusrichards

I’m leaning toward the market cratering. I think before the season a 2nd for Dumba was doable from someone like the Jets but Guerin paused.

Addison may think he’s not part of the long term so he doesn’t want to sign. Faber will move ahead of him on the right side. Hunt and Lambdos will be better. Addison looks like a 7D unless he can learn to play defense.

I’m leaning toward the market cratering. I think before the season a 2nd for Dumba was doable from someone like the Jets but Guerin paused.

Addison may think he’s not part of the long term so he doesn’t want to sign. Faber will move ahead of him on the right side. Hunt and Lambdos will be better. Addison looks like a 7D unless he can learn to play defense.
- Minnyhock

That's exactly the way I am looking at it as well, with Addison. Yeah, he probably is no longer part of the long term plan. But I think the entire NHL views him that way now. If he truly thinks he is an NHL caliber D man, sign on the dotted line, get inline and prove that you are. But this lone wolf attitude is not going to get him anywhere. I just think he is not playing the cards he was dealt very well.

That's exactly the way I am looking at it as well, with Addison. Yeah, he probably is no longer part of the long term plan. But I think the entire NHL views him that way now. If he truly thinks he is an NHL caliber D man, sign on the dotted line, get inline and prove that you are. But this lone wolf attitude is not going to get him anywhere. I just think he is not playing the cards he was dealt very well.
- Gusrichards

I see Addison’s agent also represents Fiala, Zuccarello, Dumba and ironically Klingberg who replaced him and kept him out of the playoffs. His ego is bruised and his reps probably aren’t happy either.

I would like to see the Wild sign him at a reasonable cost. He’s their best PP QB and he still has upside and could still put it together. His trade value is low. They probably wouldn’t get more than a 3rd for him right now.

I see Addison’s agent also represents Fiala, Zuccarello, Dumba and ironically Klingberg who replaced him and kept him out of the playoffs. His ego is bruised and his reps probably aren’t happy either.

I would like to see the Wild sign him at a reasonable cost. He’s their best PP QB and he still has upside and could still put it together. His trade value is low. They probably wouldn’t get more than a 3rd for him right now.
- Minnyhock

I'm really not worried about what they could get for him at this point. He has had 2 years in Iowa and part of 3 seasons (1 full) in the NHL. He knows by this point what it takes to play at least average D in the NHL. I just don't think he has it in him. So Geurin first trade was Zucker for Alex GalchenYUK, Calen Addison and a conditional 1st, which I believe became either Jesper Wallstedt and Carson Lambos. Both which look to eventually be mainstays on the Wild roster within a year or 2. SO honestly, I look at Addison is just another throw-in on that Zucker trade and if they got even just a 5th Rd pick for him, I would be happy. What Addison brings to the PP is nothing greater than what Spurgeon brings to it as well. And maybe Faber could be, or eventually Lambos. Either way, Addison just needs to stop being all butt hurt because he's not getting paid, sign Guerin's offer and then prove all of us doubters wrong.

I'm really not worried about what they could get for him at this point. He has had 2 years in Iowa and part of 3 seasons (1 full) in the NHL. He knows by this point what it takes to play at least average D in the NHL. I just don't think he has it in him. So Geurin first trade was Zucker for Alex GalchenYUK, Calen Addison and a conditional 1st, which I believe became either Jesper Wallstedt and Carson Lambos. Both which look to eventually be mainstays on the Wild roster within a year or 2. SO honestly, I look at Addison is just another throw-in on that Zucker trade and if they got even just a 5th Rd pick for him, I would be happy. What Addison brings to the PP is nothing greater than what Spurgeon brings to it as well. And maybe Faber could be, or eventually Lambos. Either way, Addison just needs to stop being all butt hurt because he's not getting paid, sign Guerin's offer and then prove all of us doubters wrong.
- Gusrichards

Read today that Wild want to sign Addison close to his QO of $787,500 but Addison’s camp is using contract projection models that put his value twice that amount. The Wild have 1.6 Mil in cap. If Addison gets his way then the Wild won’t have any room to make in season moves. Stay tuned.

And that is the problem with Addison. He has ZERO leverage. His PP numbers were not created by him, but by riding on the coattails of the other offensive players on the PP. He first job is to play defense, which he is beyond terrible at. There was a glimmer of hope about mid-season that he was starting to finally understand what it takes to play defense in the NHL...but that lasted for like 2 games. Then he just became a turnstile again. I know camp is still a ways out. But if I was Guerin, I'd be saying "look kid, either take this contract or we're gonna let you sit the season". That would just put Addison even farther back from progressing. He needs to fire his advisors if they are telling him he needs to wait it out until he can get double. If it's his ego that is holding stuff up, cut the cord now. On top of all this, he's a 3rd pairing Dman...there should be no ego, no chip on the shoulder, no thinking he is worth more...he is basic, through and through. And no, Addison did not kick my dog or do my g/f. I just think he is a terrible hockey player who thinks he deserves it all. Kind reflective of today's society.

So, sticking with defense right now...been reading a few articles that talk about how the Brodin contract is going to be an albatross on the roster now. Because of his apparent lack of offensive ability. I checked and he did regress last year after having a career year the year prior. I have never expected a ton of offense from Brodin and I think I know why the regression last year. He knew that Dumba was playing for a contract, so he left the offensive stuff to Dumba, and just played his stellar D. This year, he will probably be matched up with Faber, who is also not known for being an offensive wizard, but could develop. I expect Brodin to throw in 20-30 pts each year, and will expect the same again.

What are everyone else's thoughts on that?

Addison is more important than people realize at least in the short term. If he doesn’t sign then Spurgeon will be getting a lot of pp time. That’s not bad but over a long season I think it will impact his overall effectiveness in at least a small negative way. Brodin is still an elite defender. You can see great frustration from McDavid when they matchup. I’m not expecting much offense from Faber now. But I could see him developing into an excellent breakout passer in the future. The Wild have had good contributions from the back end over the years. But it’s not looking as good going forward. Addison may not be a long term answer but they need him this year.

Addison is more important than people realize at least in the short term. If he doesn’t sign then Spurgeon will be getting a lot of pp time. That’s not bad but over a long season I think it will impact his overall effectiveness in at least a small negative way. Brodin is still an elite defender. You can see great frustration from McDavid when they matchup. I’m not expecting much offense from Faber now. But I could see him developing into an excellent breakout passer in the future. The Wild have had good contributions from the back end over the years. But it’s not looking as good going forward. Addison may not be a long term answer but they need him this year.
- Minnyhock

That's a great point. But I don't think that is a strong enough argument for Addison to make, and not sign. And true, Addison is probably not the answer long term either. My guess is that top D spot on the 1st PP will end up being Carson Lambos. And you can save Spurgeon's energy for the playoffs, but he has been ineffective in the playoffs mostly anyways. he is just too small for that time of year. I would love for him to make me eat my words, but the last 4-5 years, it's been true. But I can see your thinking, which kind of goes along with what the Wild did last year in the playoffs, with Addison seeing no ice at all. I also honestly see Faber having the ability to play on the #1 PP eventually (even this year) as well.