Eklund: Flyers to Terminate RyJo Contract, Headed for Showdown with NHLPA

Yes, dancing at your wedding and playing professional hockey probably have the same degree of strain on the human body...

Yes, dancing at your wedding and playing professional hockey probably have the same degree of strain on the human body...
- Mahewman

Have you ever learned that’s “it’s better to stay quiet and appear ignorant, than to speak, and remove all doubt”?

You don’t have a clue as to the details of the situation. Better to let it play out, then offer your take.

Isn't this the guy that was fine from a health perspective after playing a game, then gets traded, then magically needs career ending surgery once finding out he was traded? Naturally, the Flyers doctors confirmed he only needed rehab. If the Flyers can remove him from their books, its an outstanding win which will make that Provorov trade look that much better. Either way, he seems like a real winner... and yes dancing and lifting people up at a wedding will get you into trouble when claiming disability. Insurance investigators use this stuff all the time.

Have you ever learned that’s “it’s better to stay quiet and appear ignorant, than to speak, and remove all doubt”?

You don’t have a clue as to the details of the situation. Better to let it play out, then offer your take.
- Hokeeguy9

Actually in this case, it seems that's you. What he posted is perfectly logical and relevant to the blog.

Isn't this the guy that was fine from a health perspective after playing a game, then gets traded, then magically needs career ending surgery once finding out he was traded? Naturally, the Flyers doctors confirmed he only needed rehab. If the Flyers can remove him from their books, its an outstanding win which will make that Provorov trade look that much better. Either way, he seems like a real winner... and yes dancing and lifting people up at a wedding will get you into trouble when claiming disability. Insurance investigators use this stuff all the time.
- 26912 PP

He's not claiming disability. He's claiming an injury that prevents him from playing pro hockey. Do you think Ryan Ellis has been home lying in bed all the time?

I know more then enough guys that had career ending injuries and were not forthright in terms of disclosing that they had zero intention of ever returning...but still wanted to keep getting paid. Maybe this is the case with Johanson and the team simply caught him, who knows. I think it's strange that the context here seems to be that he CAN play but is choosing not to, which is very doubtful for most pro players (even at 35yrs old they still want to play, or at least pretend in their own heads that they can play).

...and I'm pretty sure someone with both groins blown out, knees scoped, hip flexors gone, and multiple shoulder surgeries can still get drunk and lift up their 100lb wife. Not one hockey person is looking at videos of RJH lifting up his wife, what a ridiculous thing to say.

I know more then enough guys that had career ending injuries and were not forthright in terms of disclosing that they had zero intention of ever returning...but still wanted to keep getting paid. Maybe this is the case with Johanson and the team simply caught him, who knows. I think it's strange that the context here seems to be that he CAN play but is choosing not to, which is very doubtful for most pro players (even at 35yrs old they still want to play, or at least pretend in their own heads that they can play).

...and I'm pretty sure someone with both groins blown out, knees scoped, hip flexors gone, and multiple shoulder surgeries can still get drunk and lift up their 100lb wife. Not one hockey person is looking at videos of RJH lifting up his wife, what a ridiculous thing to say.
- JLO961

Doesn't make sense. A player with a documented career ending injury does not have to disclose their intentions of playing again or not. A documented injury puts them on LTIR and they continue to get paid.

The second paragraph, I agree completely with.

I know more then enough guys that had career ending injuries and were not forthright in terms of disclosing that they had zero intention of ever returning...but still wanted to keep getting paid. Maybe this is the case with Johanson and the team simply caught him, who knows. I think it's strange that the context here seems to be that he CAN play but is choosing not to, which is very doubtful for most pro players (even at 35yrs old they still want to play, or at least pretend in their own heads that they can play).

...and I'm pretty sure someone with both groins blown out, knees scoped, hip flexors gone, and multiple shoulder surgeries can still get drunk and lift up their 100lb wife. Not one hockey person is looking at videos of RJH lifting up his wife, what a ridiculous thing to say.
- JLO961

Doesn't make sense. A player with a documented career ending injury does not have to disclose their intentions of playing again or not. A documented injury puts them on LTIR and they continue to get paid.

The second paragraph, I agree completely with.

Yes, dancing at your wedding and playing professional hockey probably have the same degree of strain on the human body...
- Mahewman

Perhaps, however I will say getting to a certain age, Dancing at a wedding becomes a common reason for new injuries.

How can you claim Johansen "didn't do anything that would be controversial for 99.9% of the public including fellow players"?

Did Philly doctors give him a rehab plan this summer? Did he skip sessions? What if they told him no twisting your hip and then he's seen golfing or doing the limbo? What if they said no heavy lifting and he's carrying people on his back?

Since nobody knows what Ryan did all summer and what the team expected him to do, saying 99.9% of people would consider his behaviour acceptable seems like a stretch...

Doesn't make sense. A player with a documented career ending injury does not have to disclose their intentions of playing again or not. A documented injury puts them on LTIR and they continue to get paid.

The second paragraph, I agree completely with.
- MJL

I believe he was going to the ahl here and didn’t want to so
The injury bug saved the day. It was pretty clear when we traded for him he was not playing for the flyers

How can you claim Johansen "didn't do anything that would be controversial for 99.9% of the public including fellow players"?

Did Philly doctors give him a rehab plan this summer? Did he skip sessions? What if they told him no twisting your hip and then he's seen golfing or doing the limbo? What if they said no heavy lifting and he's carrying people on his back?

Since nobody knows what Ryan did all summer and what the team expected him to do, saying 99.9% of people would consider his behaviour acceptable seems like a stretch...
- HockeyBuzzed

I wouldn't expect that would rise to the level of termination.

I wouldn't expect that would rise to the level of termination.
- MJL

Why not? Ryan didn't want to play in the AHL, but still wanted to be paid. So he claims an injury. Every guy is banged up, so it's partially valid. But if he's spent the last 6 months disobeying medical doctors, being difficult, etc...Then the Flyers may feel there is grounds to terminate. Or maybe their appeal wins.

My point is, without actual details, how can anyone state that 99.9% of us would consider his behaviour perfectly fine?

Why not? Ryan didn't want to play in the AHL, but still wanted to be paid. So he claims an injury. Every guy is banged up, so it's partially valid. But if he's spent the last 6 months disobeying medical doctors, being difficult, etc...Then the Flyers may feel there is grounds to terminate. Or maybe their appeal wins.

My point is, without actual details, how can anyone state that 99.9% of us would consider his behaviour perfectly fine?
- HockeyBuzzed

A player has a right to participate in his medical situation. I think the only thing being said is dancing and picking up his wife at his wedding is not grounds for contract termination

It would be so much fun to hear Torts views on this after RJH practices with the team!

Suck it up buttacup. Wade Redden rode the buss down in the A for what? Five years? Money is money.

Actually in this case, it seems that's you. What he posted is perfectly logical and relevant to the blog.
- MJL

Figures you would say that. Anything to be contrarian. It was reported, he played a full game the day before the trade, then becomes too injured to play again. Seems odd.

The Flyers’ medical staff may have set a recovery plan for his injury that included no activities like the ones in his wedding video, or golfing. Also, his agent said he has a scheduled surgery. If so, why wasn’t it scheduled sooner? The point is, there are too many questions, and not enough information for the previous poster to make his statement. It was a shot at Ek and the Flyers.

You make some good points on the Flyers blog, but your argumentative delivery is off putting.

Figures you would say that. Anything to be contrarian. It was reported, he played a full game the day before the trade, then becomes too injured to play again. Seems odd.

The Flyers’ medical staff may have set a recovery plan for his injury that included no activities like the ones in his wedding video, or golfing. Also, his agent said he has a scheduled surgery. If so, why wasn’t it scheduled sooner? The point is, there are too many questions, and not enough information for the previous poster to make his statement. It was a shot at Ek and the Flyers.

You make some good points on the Flyers blog, but your argumentative delivery is off putting.
- Hokeeguy9

You delivery to the poster wasn't off putting? There's lots of questions to be answered. In context of the post that you replied to. A player with an injury preventing him from playing pro hockey, could still be able to dance at his wedding and pick his wife up. Clearly that is not the same stress nor require the same level of fitness and health that playing pro hockey does. Which was the posters point. Clearly common sense allows that statement.

Have you ever learned that’s “it’s better to stay quiet and appear ignorant, than to speak, and remove all doubt”?

You don’t have a clue as to the details of the situation. Better to let it play out, then offer your take.
- Hokeeguy9

Coming in HOT, Danny Briere. I do have zero clue of the scenario and zero reason to go look for his wedding videos. If the Flyers used his "wedding footage" in any way to determine his eligibility to play professional hockey, that would be insane. That's the point.

I will tell you right now. Pretty sure most of the keyboard warriors on this site like yourself are capable of dancing at a wedding. Most of us would perish in an full NHL game.

Have you ever learned that’s “it’s better to stay quiet and appear ignorant, than to speak, and remove all doubt”?

You don’t have a clue as to the details of the situation. Better to let it play out, then offer your take.
- Hokeeguy9

Why the (frank) are you here then?

You can sometimes do a few things when your tuned up you generally wouldn’t be able to do when sober. I guess maybe he should tie on on before each practice and game so he can use that hip.

You can sometimes do a few things when your tuned up you generally wouldn’t be able to do when sober. I guess maybe he should tie on on before each practice and game so he can use that hip.
- ChrisMS

Also can be an effective pain reliever.

I wouldn't expect that would rise to the level of termination.
- MJL

We don't know what limitations he should or should not have with the supposed surgery pending. Every situation is different The Ryan Ellis thing has 0 to do with it. Obviously, the timing of the breach being shortly after his wedding is curious.

We don't know what limitations he should or should not have with the supposed surgery pending. Every situation is different The Ryan Ellis thing has 0 to do with it. Obviously, the timing of the breach being shortly after his wedding is curious.
- 26912 PP

We don't need to know. As if breaching the limitations once, for his wedding, could possibly be grounds for contract termination. Imagine the PR on that? The Flyers terminated Johansen's contract for dancing at his wedding. Please, can we use some common sense. Obviously, you didn't understand bringing Ellis into it.