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Bill Meltzer
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Aug 27 @ 2:29 PM ET
Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Michkov,
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Aug 27 @ 2:37 PM ET
Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Michkov,
- bmeltzer



Thanks Bill
cdearth23
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wilkes-Barre, PA
Joined: 08.06.2015

Aug 27 @ 2:37 PM ET
Would we invite Martin Jones to a PTO assuming he doesn't get signed somewhere else? No guarantee Kosolov is back in North America and we just don't know about Fedotov. It might be wise to have a vet, cheap, back up as insurance.
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

Aug 27 @ 2:42 PM ET
Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Michkov,
- bmeltzer



Bill,

To your knowledge has anyone in the org reached out to Koslov's agent regarding his intentions for this upcoming season? If so do you now the response they have recieved?

Seems odd with camp roughly three weeks away that they do not have clarity on this situation. Are they just waiting to see if he shows up and go from there?
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Aug 27 @ 2:44 PM ET
The Flyers have yet to actually terminate RYJO's contract, leading to speculation that a settlement is in the works. The NHL and NHLPA are both highly motivated to get this settled behind close doors and not let it reach an arbitrator, where precendence can be set one way or the other. The NHL would prefer teams remain able to terminate contracts due to legitimate material breaches, while the NHLPA would want to assure that contracts cannot be breached because of injuries.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Aug 27 @ 3:02 PM ET
Bill,

To your knowledge has anyone in the org reached out to Koslov's agent regarding his intentions for this upcoming season? If so do you now the response they have recieved?

Seems odd with camp roughly three weeks away that they do not have clarity on this situation. Are they just waiting to see if he shows up and go from there?

- corduroy


Danny did an interview, he stated they reached out to the new agent and heard nothing back.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Aug 27 @ 3:06 PM ET
The Flyers have yet to actually terminate RYJO's contract, leading to speculation that a settlement is in the works. The NHL and NHLPA are both highly motivated to get this settled behind close doors and not let it reach an arbitrator, where precendence can be set one way or the other. The NHL would prefer teams remain able to terminate contracts due to legitimate material breaches, while the NHLPA would want to assure that contracts cannot be breached because of injuries.
- jd250


I am sure the agent of RYJO would want this settled sooner than later so RYJO can sign another contract if possible.
bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

Aug 27 @ 3:09 PM ET
Why are the flyers trying to get MM to flee back to Russia by taking him to the Oxford valley Mall?
Take him to sesame place while your at it.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Aug 27 @ 3:23 PM ET
Why are the flyers trying to get MM to flee back to Russia by taking him to the Oxford valley Mall?
Take him to sesame place while your at it.

- bird_dog_pa


hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Aug 27 @ 3:51 PM ET
The Flyers have yet to actually terminate RYJO's contract, leading to speculation that a settlement is in the works. The NHL and NHLPA are both highly motivated to get this settled behind close doors and not let it reach an arbitrator, where precendence can be set one way or the other. The NHL would prefer teams remain able to terminate contracts due to legitimate material breaches, while the NHLPA would want to assure that contracts cannot be breached because of injuries.
- jd250

where did you copy that from?

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/trotz-predators-playing-it-safe-with-potential-cap-relief-from-johansen-s-contract-termination-1.2166038#:~:text=The%20%244%20million%20cap%20hit,as%20if%20it's%20in%20escrow.

The $4 million cap hit has also come off of the Predators' books as a result of his termination, but could be reapplied in part or full if a ruling were to come out in Johansen's favour. He has 60 days from the date of his contract termination to file an appeal.
Letterkenney
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dementia Patient in the White House, DC, PA
Joined: 03.20.2020

Aug 27 @ 3:58 PM ET
Why are the flyers trying to get MM to flee back to Russia by taking him to the Oxford valley Mall?
Take him to sesame place while your at it.

- bird_dog_pa




No kidding! There's at least 100 more places before OVM.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Aug 27 @ 4:08 PM ET
where did you copy that from?
- hello its me 2050

I wrote this based on what I learned over the past day or so from pods.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Aug 27 @ 4:14 PM ET
I wrote this based on what I learned over the past day or so from pods.
- jd250

the nhl gave the flyers their blessing yet highly motivated to settle. seems that will be the precedent set then for others in the future.

looks like it has been terminated based on that article.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 27 @ 4:38 PM ET
I'm still confused as to how a settlement will work. Is it similar to a buyout number and then that number counts against the cap?

It seems to me that it would be a great way for a team to save some cap space if that is how it works. Move to terminate the 4 million deal, settle for 2 million, 2 million against the cap for that season.

That cant be how it works. I could see all sorts of abuse if teams even had a chance of succeeding and getting a player to settle.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Aug 27 @ 4:49 PM ET
I'm still confused as to how a settlement will work. Is it similar to a buyout number and then that number counts against the cap?

It seems to me that it would be a great way for a team to save some cap space if that is how it works. Move to terminate the 4 million deal, settle for 2 million, 2 million against the cap for that season.

That cant be how it works. I could see all sorts of abuse if teams even had a chance of succeeding and getting a player to settle.

- MBFlyerfan

would be much better than a buyout from a cap POV.

Lets see how many follow the flyers trend setting ways.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 27 @ 5:02 PM ET
I'm still confused as to how a settlement will work. Is it similar to a buyout number and then that number counts against the cap?

It seems to me that it would be a great way for a team to save some cap space if that is how it works. Move to terminate the 4 million deal, settle for 2 million, 2 million against the cap for that season.

That cant be how it works. I could see all sorts of abuse if teams even had a chance of succeeding and getting a player to settle.

- MBFlyerfan


Just basically the team pays the player to go away quietly, 100% cap savings.

See: Corey Perry.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 27 @ 5:26 PM ET
Just basically the team pays the player to go away quietly, 100% cap savings.

See: Corey Perry.

- Tomahawk



Wow.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 27 @ 5:42 PM ET
Wow.
- MBFlyerfan


Perry's contract was 50% signing bonus too, so he had already made half his bag before the two sides ever started talking settlement. No wonder he and his agent decided not to grieve.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 27 @ 5:47 PM ET
I am sure the agent of RYJO would want this settled sooner than later so RYJO can sign another contract if possible.
- WhiskeyMan


He stands to lose $8M dollars. There's no way he's gonna recoup that in UFA at this stage of his career. He's lucky if he even gets invited anywhere for a PTO. He's gonna fight this until the bitter end. (He also doesn't give off the impression that he gives a (frank) about playing any more games)
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 27 @ 5:59 PM ET
Would we invite Martin Jones to a PTO assuming he doesn't get signed somewhere else? No guarantee Kosolov is back in North America and we just don't know about Fedotov. It might be wise to have a vet, cheap, back up as insurance.
- cdearth23


They signed Fedotov to a 3.275M cap hit deal. They're committed to him.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 27 @ 6:04 PM ET
I wrote this based on what I learned over the past day or so from pods.
- jd250


You obviously copied and pasted it from somewhere. It's not your tone. The process was not expected to be resolved quickly. It has to play out.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 27 @ 6:07 PM ET
I'm still confused as to how a settlement will work. Is it similar to a buyout number and then that number counts against the cap?

It seems to me that it would be a great way for a team to save some cap space if that is how it works. Move to terminate the 4 million deal, settle for 2 million, 2 million against the cap for that season.

That cant be how it works. I could see all sorts of abuse if teams even had a chance of succeeding and getting a player to settle.

- MBFlyerfan


This might give some insight. You have to obviously have a legit reason to terminate.

https://www.cbssports.com...0Kings%20in%20late%20June.


MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 27 @ 6:14 PM ET
This might give some insight. You have to obviously have a legit reason to terminate.

https://www.cbssports.com...0Kings%20in%20late%20June.

- MJL



So basically, If the Flyers win outright, he is off the cap. But if they settle there will be some sort of cap recapture penalty but not as much as it would be a buyout?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 27 @ 6:18 PM ET
So basically, If the Flyers win outright, he is off the cap. But if they settle there will be some sort of cap recapture penalty but not as much as it would be a buyout?
- MBFlyerfan


Pretty much but how much would be on the cap would depend on the settlement, if there is one. My gut feeling is the Flyers don't want to settle. Need to know more about the process.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Aug 27 @ 7:39 PM ET
They signed Fedotov to a 3.275M cap hit deal. They're committed to him.
- MJL


Do you think Fedetovs salary could be part of the Kolosov issue?
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