I think it’s about holding costs down during the earlier part of the contract while you have leverage. What the Leafs did by overpaying Marner and Mathew’s early on was create a new system that rewards talent long before it produces consistently . So Toronto fans will say M&M have been very productive and they have with nothing to show for it. Now you have to keep overpaying! I say control early and pay up when you have to. Z’s going to make his money although in Anaheim it’s going to be wing money not center money….. - jsrstl1
The 8X8 window seems to be the norm for young good players with high end potential to lock them up. You are paying for futures when it will seem like a bargain. Rumour has it Marner wanted 8X8 before he seriously broke out and signed his 10-11 contract. Leafs said nope and now are paying for it. Imagine if Marner was locked up 8X8??? Look at Stutzle. Signed his deal, seriously broke out last year, and even now looks like a deal with 8 more years left at under 8.5. Always a risk but when you have potential cornerstones, lock them up long term if you can. If verbeek does not believe in him now, pick up the phone. None of these guys are his anyways.
The 8X8 window seems to be the norm for young good players with high end potential to lock them up. You are paying for futures when it will seem like a bargain. Rumour has it Marner wanted 8X8 before he seriously broke out and signed his 10-11 contract. Leafs said nope and now are paying for it. Imagine if Marner was locked up 8X8??? Look at Stutzle. Signed his deal, seriously broke out last year, and even now looks like a deal with 8 more years left at under 8.5. Always a risk but when you have potential cornerstones, lock them up long term if you can. If verbeek does not believe in him now, pick up the phone. None of these guys are his anyways. - Revised12
Which is why you're seeing more and more young stars betting on themselves and not caving to the long-term deal when the team is offering it. It may get them more money than they're worth in the short term, but it could come back to bite them in the long run. Obviously some risk to it, but helping to mitigate that risk and keep them grounded is what they pay their agent for.
maybe around the rest of the league but the Sens young core have all bought in....boom or bust they're stuck with that group of youngsters on very good deals...........as long as they pan out performance why
As one of the few 100% Ducks bloggers I'd like to say that I'm not really worried about this. And in Anaheim I'm not hearing much about this either except for a few fake Ducks bloggers and a few burner accounts on Twitter. Even I don't really wana take sides.
Bottom line Verbeek is doing his job. He's not wrong in tring to get the lowest cap hit possible. And the Agents representing Zegras and Drysdale aren't wrong either. There just tring to get the most money possible.
But as A true Ducks fan I would like to say a few things about this.
1: to heck with all you fake Ducks fans tring to influence these negotiations. You all are being some real trolls right now. And really I'm tired of your fake takes.
2: I hope this gets done soon and that the contracts are longer than 3 years. Good things are coming for the Anaheim Ducks organization. It's taking alot longer than I wished but it will get better. And I hope Zegras and Drysdale are apart of it. Longer the term the better.
3: this has always how it's been in contract negotiations. Early term contracts are always lower than expected. The players just don't have enough leverage till they get arbitration rights. So nobody is hating on Zegras or Drysdale. This is just the process. Now if other NHL GM'S want to roll over and show there belly at any contract demand a athen so be it. But that's not how we have done thing in Anaheim. It's been like that for every player here. And If Zegras or Drysdale sign long term, then they will first the history of The Ducks to do so after there ELC. Every Ducks player has been Bridged. So no big deal.
Ducks are on the record saying that Troy Terry is their best player and they're paying him 7x7. They're also on the record saying that Leo Carlsson looks like a future 1C in the NHL. Where does that leave Zegras? He is one of the most dynamic offensive players in the game and the marketing face of the franchise, but he's a liability in his own end. They can't pay him more than Terry on a bridge deal, and they can't pay him 1C money long-term because he hasn't proven he can be that guy. His future might be at LW, not in the middle, and that's a different pay scale.
They'll get it sorted eventually, and it could easily cost the Ducks more in the long term to sign him to a bridge deal now.
I think the Ducks missed an opportunity by not extending Drysdale last season. It's not like he was going to change his value up or down by the way he played - the only hockey he played after October was EA Sports (you know, the one with Zegras on the cover). A bridge deal made more sense in February than it does now after the Sanderson deal. I won't be surprised if he's not on the roster for opening night.
Pissing off top of the lineup players over a $$$ when you leave your club in scoring for the past two years, playing with multiple line mates, and having Eakins as a coach… Z is a magical talent - you should get whatever you want being able to score points with that idiot Eakins as coach … Vertank is so so dumb..
And let’s stop with the Stevie y love, he’s a moron, that guy has got Detroit on the 50 year rebuild- - dozerD10
Yeah... Stevie Y is a moron. You need to put away your crack pipe dude... His record with Tampa Bay which he built from the ground up speaks for itself. He was left a complete dumpster fire in Detroit by Ken Holland when he took over. To say he's got them on a "50 year rebuild" shows you don't know anything about him or the Wings organization. The wings have ton of talent in their pipeline now.
Yeah... Stevie Y is a moron. You need to put away your crack pipe dude... His record with Tampa Bay which he built from the ground up speaks for itself. He was left a complete dumpster fire in Detroit by Ken Holland when he took over. To say he's got them on a "50 year rebuild" shows you don't know anything about him or the Wings organization. The wings have ton of talent in their pipeline now. - Vladdie_Kon1
The truth is in the middle. He's not a moron. But he inherited tons of talent in Tampa as a foundation. In Detroit he inherited mostly garbage, but his tank efforts yielded Seider and Lucas Raymond. No elite center. Then he starts signing a bunch of veterans (ie Perron, Copp, Chiarot, etc...). So the Wings climb out of the basement, missing top 3 picks, still no 1C, and then at the draft they don't swing for the fences and try to hit a 1C, but instead draft guys like Kasper and Danielson who have relatively low ceilings. The roster today is a bubble team and the pipeline actually isn't that great. It's not a 50-year rebuild, but they will need to bottom out again before becoming a contender. So it's at least 10+ years. Yzerman won't last that long.
The truth is in the middle. He's not a moron. But he inherited tons of talent in Tampa as a foundation. In Detroit he inherited mostly garbage, but his tank efforts yielded Seider and Lucas Raymond. No elite center. Then he starts signing a bunch of veterans (ie Perron, Copp, Chiarot, etc...). So the Wings climb out of the basement, missing top 3 picks, still no 1C, and then at the draft they don't swing for the fences and try to hit a 1C, but instead draft guys like Kasper and Danielson who have relatively low ceilings. The roster today is a bubble team and the pipeline actually isn't that great. It's not a 50-year rebuild, but they will need to bottom out again before becoming a contender. So it's at least 10+ years. Yzerman won't last that long. - Cooleus
Spot on... and to hear the pundits crow about him on nhl network is nauesous -
The truth is in the middle. He's not a moron. But he inherited tons of talent in Tampa as a foundation. In Detroit he inherited mostly garbage, but his tank efforts yielded Seider and Lucas Raymond. No elite center. Then he starts signing a bunch of veterans (ie Perron, Copp, Chiarot, etc...). So the Wings climb out of the basement, missing top 3 picks, still no 1C, and then at the draft they don't swing for the fences and try to hit a 1C, but instead draft guys like Kasper and Danielson who have relatively low ceilings. The roster today is a bubble team and the pipeline actually isn't that great. It's not a 50-year rebuild, but they will need to bottom out again before becoming a contender. So it's at least 10+ years. Yzerman won't last that long. - Cooleus
Not sure what you mean by "swinging for the fences". As in draft the best center available in a few of the drafts ? Agree they should have gotten higher pick centers sooner when available. Wings have had no lottery luck either.... at all. In terms of hiring some of the free agents... I don't agree trying to suck for the next several years for higher picks and extending a losing culture is a fix either... not for any GM who wants to keep their job. That's just not realistic for any GM who inherited the type of mess that Yzerman got from Holland. I also disagree about the talent pipeline. Wings have more talent now in the system than they've had in over a decade. Your doom and gloom analysis is a bit too negative IMO.
Not sure what you mean by "swinging for the fences". As in draft the best center available in a few of the drafts ? Agree they should have gotten higher pick centers sooner when available. Wings have had no lottery luck either.... at all. In terms of hiring some of the free agents... I don't agree trying to suck for the next several years for higher picks and extending a losing culture is a fix either... not for any GM who wants to keep their job. That's just not realistic for any GM who inherited the type of mess that Yzerman got from Holland. I also disagree about the talent pipeline. Wings have more talent now in the system than they've had in over a decade. Your doom and gloom analysis is a bit too negative IMO. - Vladdie_Kon1
This isn't a Detroit forumn so not going to get into a back and forth. By signing a bunch of steady veterans they picked 6th, 8th, and 9th in the last 3 years. If you just bottomed for 1 or 2 more years then maybe you have Cooley instead of Kasper or you have Carlsson or Fantilli instead of Danielson. Not to mention blowing a 1st rounder on Cossa who has regressed badly. The organization needed 1 or 2 more years near the bottom. Hip hip hooray, the prospect pool is better today than in the last decade. So what. Doesn't really stand out compared to current peers. Naive Wings fans rave about Edvinsson and Kasper and Danielson...most teams have better talent than that on the way. Sorry. Enjoy the next decade in the bubble.
