York Newbury: Canucks Embarrassed in Winnipeg

Back at home after a disappointing and drama-filled road trip... I think we see a trade in the next few days here

Tough one. Good thing we have more skill and scoring this year compared to last years roster lol.

I repeat, this is a bad mix of core hockey players and last season was an anomaly.

Trade them all.

I feel terrible for quinn

I just checked, looks like the sun is about to come up over the McDowell Mountains here in Arizona this morning. All is not lost.

I just checked, looks like the sun is about to come up over the McDowell Mountains here in Arizona this morning. All is not lost.
- Pacificgem

No, but the Canucks sure are.

I feel terrible for quinn
- Jkuzzi

I feel terrible for those of us who have been cheering for this team since it entered the league.

I feel terrible for those of us who have been cheering for this team since it entered the league.
- Reubenkincade

That as well. They need defenseman thay can play in the nhl. Figure it out

No, but the Canucks sure are.
- Reubenkincade

There's a litany of issues that started right from the beginning of the season up until this point, and I personally believe some of them carried over from last year. The personal issues.

They aren't getting the same quality of goaltender, yes Lankinen has been good, but he's not been as good as Demko's start last season. The defense is just not as good as last year, both individually and as a team. JT and Petey aren't providing the same offense as they were last year. Which goes back to the personal issues they have between them.

JT had 30 points in the first 20 games last year, Petey had 26 points in the the first 20 games, their rift is just killing the team. As they go, the team goes, that ain't happening this year.

That as well. They need defenseman thay can play in the nhl. Figure it out
- Jkuzzi

Defense is a problem, but so are the forwards, the coaching and management

There's a litany of issues that started right from the beginning of the season up until this point, and I personally believe some of them carried over from last year. The personal issues.

They aren't getting the same quality of goaltender, yes Lankinen has been good, but he's not been as good as Demko's start last season. The defense is just not as good as last year, both individually and as a team. JT and Petey aren't providing the same offense as they were last year. Which goes back to the personal issues they have between them.

JT had 30 points in the first 20 games last year, Petey had 26 points in the the first 20 games, their rift is just killing the team. As they go, the team goes, that ain't happening this year.
- Pacificgem

I try not to get caught up in 1 season of career years and prefer to look at the body of work over several seasons.
I don't get fooled easily

Defense is a problem, but so are the forwards, the coaching and management
- Reubenkincade

Top 10 other than that!

Top 10 other than that!
- Jkuzzi

Petey and Willamder for Dobson and Pulock

I try not to get caught up in 1 season of career years and prefer to look at the body of work over several seasons.
I don't get fooled easily
- Reubenkincade

I don't understand or agree with your career year theory, the only meaningful guy who had a career year was JT Miller. Sure Boeser had 40 goals last year but he's got 15 thus far and will reach 30 most likely, so you believe a 10 goal difference is a major contributing factor? He had four goals in game one against the Oilers, disgusting franchise!!

Hoglander had a career year but I'm not sure it was a meaningful career year in the end results in terms of wins. Demko had a .918 save percentage but his Sv% the previous three years was .901, .915 & .915 so the differences there are so minimal. Petey actually took a step back with 89 points.

Their (Canucks) GF is down about 39 goals to this point, Miller, Petey, Hoglander & Boeser all responsible for that decline. But more importantly. Their GA is up A LOT, therein lies the problem.

Petey and Willamder for Dobson and Pulock
- Jkuzzi

These types of trades will never happen, it makes the team worse, not better.

There's a litany of issues that started right from the beginning of the season up until this point, and I personally believe some of them carried over from last year. The personal issues.

They aren't getting the same quality of goaltender, yes Lankinen has been good, but he's not been as good as Demko's start last season. The defense is just not as good as last year, both individually and as a team. JT and Petey aren't providing the same offense as they were last year. Which goes back to the personal issues they have between them.

JT had 30 points in the first 20 games last year, Petey had 26 points in the the first 20 games, their rift is just killing the team. As they go, the team goes, that ain't happening this year.
- Pacificgem

Biggest factor IMO. Management not bringing back Cole and/or Zadorov, or at least not identifying the right players to replace them with, was a huge factor. Read this about Cole this morning:

Ian Cole Was an Underrated Piece of the Canucks’ Defence in 2023-24

There were a lot of fans that applauded the decision not to re-sign Cole given his struggles in the playoffs against the Edmonton Oilers. While I don’t deny that he probably was one of the Canucks’ worst defenders in that series, people forget that he was playing with an injury and was not 100 percent. That series aside, he had a solid stint in the blue and green, logging an average time on ice (TOI) of 18:41 and leading the defence corps in blocked shots with 166. He also was good defensively and played some hard minutes on the penalty kill, pacing everyone in shorthanded time-on-ice with an average of 2:39 per game.

Something very underrated about Cole was his leadership and voice in the dressing room as his two Stanley Cups and over 800 games of experience carried a lot of gravitas. It’s something the Canucks are missing right now, akin to when Kevin Bieksa was traded in 2015 and they lost his presence and personality after their 101-point resurgence in 2014-15.

Cole ended up signing with the Utah Hockey Club for one year at $3.1 million average annual value (AAV) and has brought that same veteran presence to the young core led by Clayton Keller, Logan Cooley and Dylan Guenther. Similar to his time in Vancouver, he is playing a ton on the penalty kill (3:10 average per game), leads the team in blocked shots with 121, and is averaging over 20 minutes a night in the top four. If he was on the Canucks’ defence today, he would also lead everyone in blocked shots as Tyler Myers holds that title with a measly 75 at this point.

As much as everyone was okay with Cole leaving in free agency, in hindsight, he would be an upgrade over the likes of Noah Juulsen, Derek Forbort, and Vincent Desharnais right now.

Biggest factor IMO. Management not bringing back Cole and/or Zadorov, or at least not identifying the right players to replace them with, was a huge factor. Read this about Cole this morning:
- NewYorkNuck

People can talk about scoring all they want, yes you have to score to win games, but at the end of the day if you don't defend well and your GA is crap, you're not going to find success.

Last year the Canucks had the 4th best GA in the entire league, thus their success. Florida won the Cup with the 2nd best GA in the league. Vegas won the Cup with the 8th best GA in the league. Colorado won the Cup with the 7th best GA in the league. Defense wins championships.

People can talk about scoring all they want, yes you have to score to win games, but at the end of the day if you don't defend well and your GA is crap, you're not going to find success.

Last year the Canucks had the 4th best GA in the entire league, thus their success. Florida won the Cup with the 2nd best GA in the league. Vegas won the Cup with the 8th best GA in the league. Colorado won the Cup with the 7th best GA in the league. Defense wins championships.
- Pacificgem

It compounds. Letting in more goals generally means you're playing catch up, and it's easier for other teams to defend a lead... especially if your offense isn't producing that well.

It compounds. Letting in more goals generally means you're playing catch up, and it's easier for other teams to defend a lead... especially if your offense isn't producing that well.
- NewYorkNuck

A huge amount of last years scoring through the first 40 games came in a select handful of games. They had an 8 goal game their first game against the Oilers, 10 & 7 goal games against San Jose, and four 6 goal games.

That's 49 "goals for" in seven games, that's huge!!

I don't understand or agree with your career year theory, the only meaningful guy who had a career year was JT Miller. Sure Boeser had 40 goals last year but he's got 15 thus far and will reach 30 most likely, so you believe a 10 goal difference is a major contributing factor? He had four goals in game one against the Oilers, disgusting franchise!!

Hoglander had a career year but I'm not sure it was a meaningful career year in the end results in terms of wins. Demko had a .918 save percentage but his Sv% the previous three years was .901, .915 & .915 so the differences there are so minimal. Petey actually took a step back with 89 points.

Their (Canucks) GF is down about 39 goals to this point, Miller, Petey, Hoglander & Boeser all responsible for that decline. But more importantly. Their GA is up A LOT, therein lies the problem.
- Pacificgem

I guess if you are only looking at point production, then you would come up with your conclusion.
Carson Soucy, Tyler Myers and Hronek had career years, as far as I am concerned, and I don't just mean offense, they were very good defensively.
Miller, Hoglander, Joshua, Suter, Bluegar and Boesr, all had career years, at both ends of the ice, while Pouty had fans drooling with his typical half season career best.
Coach Tocchet could do nothing wrong and also had a career year.
I am sure I have missed someone, but I am sure you get my point, whether you agree or not

I guess if you are only looking at point production, then you would come up with your conclusion.
Carson Soucy, Tyler Myers and Hronek had career years, as far as I am concerned, and I don't just mean offense, they were very good defensively.
Miller, Hoglander, Joshua, Suter, Bluegar and Boesr, all had career years, at both ends of the ice, while Pouty had fans drooling with his typical half season career best.
Coach Tocchet could do nothing wrong and also had a career year.
I am sure I have missed someone, but I am sure you get my point, whether you agree or not
- Reubenkincade

You'd have to explain what you mean by career years for Soucy, Myers and Hronek because the NHL metrics do not agree with you. They had average years for them if you look at the numbers. I think you're just throwing poop against the wall to see what sticks.

Soucy had what could be described as a very average year for him, he only played 40 games, his offence was right on average, his Fenwick and Corsi were right on average, hits/blocks,giveaways/takeaways all average, the one thing that was down compared to this year was his minutes. He was playing at a 3rd pairing level where he should be playing.

Hronek had 10 more points but he was also playing with Quinn Hughes, his possession metrics were slightly higher, but again, he was playing with Hughes on a team that was firing on all cylinders.

Myers is a mirror image of those guys, offence about average and possession metrics about average. The one thing in common with Soucy and Myers from last year to this year is their minutes are way up this year. Which lends itself to my opinion they're playing higher up in the lineup than they should be...that's completely on Allvin.

Joshua did have a good year offensively, I'll give you that, but it wasn't outrageously above other years. Suter and Blueger are actually having better years this year than last year, at least statistically.

I wonder if Petey wears 40 to match his point total for the upcoming season