I don't think Dubas would have signed Nylander to a new contract in January 2024 with a full NMC and then have targeted him to be the guy to trade 4 months later.

The guy to trade, the only guy that was tradeable at that point really, was Marner.
- Scabeh

Karlsson was traded in Aug 2023

Karlsson was traded in Aug 2023
- senstroll

Oh so he's talking about before signing Nylander.

Well sure, he could have done that, but he decided not to.

Shanny gone, next up Marner?

I think so, Shanny was likely the one who who would have been all in on re-signing Marner and I think others in the organization aren't willing to, and Berube is in that group.

I don't think Berube will say it's about a specific high end but soft player (as we know the Leafs have a few) but he will say we need more of things they don't have and the only way to get those things is to change the people / cap distribution.

If they were going to move on from Nylander they would have before they signed him to an 8 year deal. I guess they could try to move Willy but why would he agree to waive his full no trade deal? That makes zero sense - he knows if he stays Marner is likely gone and he will get bumped up to L1 to play with Matthews and get more ice time and more points.

We can be mad at the players for their performances or lack thereof but the reality is there is blame for the current situation on a few folks but the bulk of it is the absolute moron they just fired in Shanny.

Shanny who brought in an experienced GM and coach and then decided to go the complete opposite direction with Dubas and Keefe. Seriously an inexperienced coach or GM is ok if the other one is experienced but both being green to the NHL was a mistake.

The fact they didn't give Marner the 8 or 8.5 x 8 his camp apparently wanted in 2019 and decided to wait out the season which cost them 3 to 3.5M per year, 2 less years AND resulted in them giving Marner a NTC for the last 2 (frank)ing years of his deal (which in itself was insane when usually it's the last year).

Then Shanny poop cans Dubas, brings in Tre and ties his hands by telling him he can't move Marner.

Imagine the haul the Leafs would have got by trading Marner before the NTC kicked in?

Now all they can likely do is re-sign him and continue to have a horifically unbalanced roster that won't become a top 4 team or let him walk for nothing.

(frank) Shanny.
- Cush29

Sure for some of this.
But I dont know how people assume Berube doesnt like either marner or Willie.

I dont believe the bolded is true at all. Marners camp didnt ask for that. In fact Bob Mac back in 2019 said Marner's camp wanted a 3 year bridge deal at 9 - 10m per and leafs had offered a 7-8 year $11m per deal.
Dubas messed up all the negotiations with all 3 young players. Only willies 7 year deal ended being good in its 4th -5th year.
Dubas screwed the leafs by trying to go around Shanny to the board to yield more power/control....but shanny found out and the board agreed to fire dubas. By the time they brought Tre in he had about a month to figure out the lay of the land.
Did Shanny tell him he couldnt trade Marner? Dunno. Where was that ever reported? (Not saying it wasnt reported....I just dont recall ever seeing anything)

What was the cap in 2023? How many teams could have taking on Marner's cap without the leafs taking back a bad contract? Also, the leafs would have had a disadvantage in trade negotiations as every GM knew A) they had a tight deadline to meet B) they would be under pressure to move out marner or someone. So I dont think it would have been a big haul. The Rant trade would have been two expiring contracts switching teams.
Shanny did a great job the first 4 - 5 years.....but then he got sold on Dubas analytics and seem to refuse to change directions. He allowed dubas to be gm for too long and allowed Dubas to keep keefe for too long.

And no, honestly, the bulk isnt on Shanny. He's not on the ice choking every year. The bulk of the blame is on the soft core of choking players. Then dubas for handing those horrible 2nd contracts and on Shanny for allowing Dubas to do that.
Shanny is simply this years scapegoat. Last year it was keefe, the year before Dubas. Difference is this year, they can have a change in the core.....simply because two are FA's.
The biggest mistake in all of this was handing out those horrible contracts to marner and matthews. Willies was high as well, but it was brought down to 6.9 per because he held out....as it was in the low 7's.
AM and MM should never have gotten over 10 for 5 years. They had accomplished nothing...both dubas and shanny caved.

I don't think Dubas would have signed Nylander to a new contract in January 2024 with a full NMC and then have targeted him to be the guy to trade 4 months later.

The guy to trade, the only guy that was tradeable at that point really, was Marner.
- Scabeh

Dubas wasnt around.
Karlsson was traded in 2023 before the willie contract

Oh so he's talking about before signing Nylander.

Well sure, he could have done that, but he decided not to.
- Scabeh

also Dubas left the leafs May 2023, so he didnt sign Willys new deal.

but I think Dubas was trying to make some moves..going away from the core, but was blocked from doing it. Nylander or Marner not sure which one it was

Hmm Interesting. Would you have done that?
- mel_vin

Oh no.

No way.
Karlssons contract would be horrible on this leafs team
Whether it was willie or marner going the other way...no way would I have done that

also Dubas left the leafs May 2023, so he didnt sign Willys new deal.

but I think Dubas was trying to make some moves..going away from the core, but was blocked from doing it. Nylander or Marner not sure which one it was
- senstroll

The rumour was willie but I suppose it could have been marner...which would have made it worse. IMO

Dubas wasnt around.
Karlsson was traded in 2023 before the willie contract
- Fakepartofme

We all saw how it turned out in Pittsburgh....

Frank him and his 102 points. He and that family is self entitled and part of the problem. All he cares about is the money and who is gonna get paid more. Dont need that poision on the team. Same with Mathews. These shorter term deals so they can maximize at their renewals says all we need to know about them. Im not saying they dont deserve money, but dont cry me the blues when your team keeps losing and the team cant address needs cause they are strapped. Look at these last winning teams, did their stars do that? And especially here where endorsments would be plentiful to supplement.

Mathews, Marner and Willy all selfish and the reason why this team is where its at. Shanny was the enabler.

I love JT. I dont know if signing him was needed, especially after you land Mathews. But HE left 2 million on the table to play here. (No way Marner would do that.) One of Willy or Marner had to go as a result IMO after getting JT.
- mel_vin

7 years ago a team was willing to pay 13M to a player who's best season was 86 pts (including career high 38 goals)???

Sharks must be super-happy he didn't accept that overpay, as he averaged... 74pts/year during his tenure with the Leafs. But then again, they really stepped in it by paying Karlsson almost the same amount!

We all saw how it turned out in Pittsburgh....
- Scabeh

Dubas immediately got his man......and boy oh boy has it been bad.

But.

Crosby could use a winger for his final two years.
Could the dubes consider signing marner if he can upload cap?

7 years ago a team was willing to pay 13M to a player who's best season was 86 pts (including career high 38 goals)???

Sharks must be super-happy he didn't accept that overpay, as he averaged... 74pts/year during his tenure with the Leafs. But then again, they really stepped in it by paying Karlsson almost the same amount!



- Nasty_Duck

JT was an overpay....as it always is with star UFA's.
And we all expected the final two years to be bad......but they didnt end up being bad.
He had one down year in 2023....but still had 29 goals and 65pts.

We all saw how it turned out in Pittsburgh....
- Scabeh

Karllson was done 10 years ago. Never an option for any team.
Oh wait now... maybe the Pens

Dubas immediately got his man......and boy oh boy has it been bad.

But.

Crosby could use a winger for his final two years.
Could the dubes consider signing marner if he can upload cap?

About $12m in cap lol
- Fakepartofme

I know Crosby isn't going anywhere.

But these last years in Pittsburgh are going to be a complete shame, he could still be competing for a cup somewhere else.

And Pittsburgh could actually get amazing return for him, Malking and Letang if they traded them away. Especially Crosby, he'd get a kings ransom in return.

I know Crosby isn't going anywhere.

But these last years in Pittsburgh are going to be a complete shame, he could still be competing for a cup somewhere else.

And Pittsburgh could actually get amazing return for him, Malking and Letang if they traded them away. Especially Crosby, he'd get a kings ransom in return.
- Scabeh

Sorry I looked at the wrong year for cap...they wouldnt need to unload $12m.
They will have $23m in cap space but have some holes to fill.

Marner signed for 8 years for Malkin.
LOL

Karllson was done 10 years ago. Never an option for any team.
Oh wait now... maybe the Pens
- Leafsmart

TIL a defensman who scores 100 points is done

Karllson was done 10 years ago. Never an option for any team.
Oh wait now... maybe the Pens
- Leafsmart

I wouldnt say he's "done". He scored 100pts 3 years ago.
And had mid 40pts the past two years.
But he sucks defensively and is not worth half his contract.

Berube had dinner with Pelley.

I wonder what he said?

TIL a defensman who scores 100 points is done
- senstroll

Anze Kopitar never recovered from his 2016-17 season either

Berube had dinner with Pelley.

I wonder what he said?
- Horsey Sauce

How’re we going to spend the Marner $?

How’re we going to spend the Marner $?
- Chunga’s Revenge

Me making my pitch to the MLSE board:

$10M for Bennett?

https://x.com/ejhradek_nh...&t=zXygQ9RZlVYvHUlIXsYVmg

Me making my pitch to the MLSE board:


- TheMussel

And a week at a fancy Thai resort.

$10M for Bennett?

https://x.com/ejhradek_nh...&t=zXygQ9RZlVYvHUlIXsYVmg
- Chunga’s Revenge

Haaaard pass

Haaaard pass
- mr.sir

You wouldn’t give 10M to one of the toughest centres who’s won a cup.

But 11.5M to the softest floater is cool

Bahahahah

Fk’n Leafs fans in tellin’ ya.

I know Crosby isn't going anywhere.

But these last years in Pittsburgh are going to be a complete shame, he could still be competing for a cup somewhere else.

And Pittsburgh could actually get amazing return for him, Malking and Letang if they traded them away. Especially Crosby, he'd get a kings ransom in return.
- Scabeh

He's got 3 Cups to his name and all of the accolades any player could ever want.

More Cups, you say? Meh... I'd rather have that rare legacy where I played my entire career with 1 club and won all of the things.