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Eklund
Commissioner
Joined: 09.15.2005

Thursday @ 11:20 AM ET
Eklund: Next Great Leaf Writer #4. Dan S. Failure in High Command
mr.sir
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Joined: 01.18.2015

Thursday @ 11:52 AM ET
Sorry, they spelled Rielly wrong

I can’t continue under these conditions, this website blows!!

3rd time hacked now….
Last word I typed was conditions

Someone wants me banned/on other site 🤷🏼

That site is locked up, can’t add any comments anymore
Turnitaround
Joined: 07.03.2011

Thursday @ 12:06 PM ET
No opposed to letting MM and JT walk if the plan is to mute playoff expectations further in 2026 and 2027. What makes that difficult is AM being in his prime and the draft capital dealt.

They should have $27M in space if they let the above two walk. Can use the funds to resign Knies and shore up the depth. Keep at least $5-$9M is space to use at the deadline…..spend and acquire a impact player if the team is playing well and in a good position in the standings or weaponize to taken on a couple of bad contracts in exhange for good draft picks (like MTL did with Sean Monahan acquisition and trade).

As the cap continues to increase in subsequent seasons they will create enough room to keep the core that they want to keep while having enough spending room for a true impact player or players on the UFA market (McD if he gets to FA)
HockeyBuzzed
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Nashville
Joined: 09.10.2021

Thursday @ 12:18 PM ET
Is the requirement to write a 10,000 word essay here? All of these submissions just drone on and on repeating the same thing.

Also, what happened to the last Leafs writer? I thought Kevin Gibson was brought in to cover the Leafs?
Leafsmart
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Fredericton, N.B.
Joined: 12.18.2013

Thursday @ 2:08 PM ET
No opposed to letting MM and JT walk if the plan is to mute playoff expectations further in 2026 and 2027. What makes that difficult is AM being in his prime and the draft capital dealt.

They should have $27M in space if they let the above two walk. Can use the funds to resign Knies and shore up the depth.


Keep at least $5-$9M is space to use at the deadline


…..spend and acquire a impact player if the team is playing well and in a good position in the standings or weaponize to taken on a couple of bad contracts in exhange for good draft picks (like MTL did with Sean Monahan acquisition and trade).

As the cap continues to increase in subsequent seasons they will create enough room to keep the core that they want to keep while having enough spending room for a true impact player or players on the UFA market (McD if he gets to FA)

- Turnitaround


Never happen . makes too much sense.

homiedclown
Buffalo Sabres
Location: ICE DIRECTOR SAYS OVER 13 THOUSAND MURDERERS CROSSED OUR BORDER ILLEGALLY OVER THE LAST 4 YEARS, FL
Joined: 02.24.2008

Thursday @ 2:43 PM ET
Eklund: Next Great Leaf Writer #4. Dan S. Failure in High Command
- Eklund

mr.sir
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Vancouver Island, BC
Joined: 01.18.2015

Thursday @ 4:15 PM ET
Shanahan = gonzo
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Thursday @ 5:16 PM ET
Trade Proposal

TO TOR: Nikolaj Ehlers negotiating rights & 2025 3rd round pick

TO WPG: Mitch Marner’s negotiating rights
Bullot
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Red Deer, AB
Joined: 07.14.2010

Thursday @ 5:22 PM ET
Thank gawd Shanny is gone!! In this league you need to change with the times, lead not follow. Shanny got locked in his direction and refused to change even though the failure was in his face year after year after year. Letting Marner walk for nothing is the ultimate failure. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for moving on from Marner, but that should have happened in 2023. Massive failure.
Archaic
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Waterloo, ON
Joined: 01.12.2011

Thursday @ 7:09 PM ET
I know people will celebrate Shannahan being gone, but who is really out there to replace him.

In a key offseason, they will lack high level leadership. Well see what happens.
systemtool
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Real men always have to poo, ON
Joined: 09.12.2007

Thursday @ 8:16 PM ET
Trade Proposal

TO TOR: Nikolaj Ehlers negotiating rights & 2025 3rd round pick

TO WPG: Mitch Marner’s negotiating rights

- TheUltimateJet


Lets just agree to walk away from both
Turnitaround
Joined: 07.03.2011

Thursday @ 8:40 PM ET
I know people will celebrate Shannahan being gone, but who is really out there to replace him.

In a key offseason, they will lack high level leadership. Well see what happens.

- Archaic


Keith Pelley
Ratsreign
Florida Panthers
Location: Mo can stay awhile, FL
Joined: 10.27.2017

Yesterday @ 12:49 AM ET

- homiedclown

HockeyBuzzed
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Nashville
Joined: 09.10.2021

Yesterday @ 12:49 AM ET
I know people will celebrate Shannahan being gone, but who is really out there to replace him.

In a key offseason, they will lack high level leadership. Well see what happens.

- Archaic


Don't replace him. It's a meaningless role that just adds complexity.
Kinger34
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: We may have already seen Matthews at his potential - SMBDragon, ON
Joined: 07.04.2011

Yesterday @ 9:44 AM ET
Don't replace him. It's a meaningless role that just adds complexity.
- HockeyBuzzed


A meaningless role with a rumoured 7 million dollar a year salary.

Imagine being paid that much money only for the team to fail miserably year after year.

I get that this position is more than just on-ice results. But as a fan it sickens
me to think someone is getting paid that much a year for mediocre results. It's crap like that that makes me refuse to spend any of my own money on Leafs tickets or apparel. MLSE doesn't deserve our money.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Yesterday @ 1:28 PM ET
I know people will celebrate Shannahan being gone, but who is really out there to replace him.

In a key offseason, they will lack high level leadership. Well see what happens.

- Archaic

Pelley will probably take on some responsibilities.
Dont really need a pres.
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Yesterday @ 1:33 PM ET

- homiedclown


bring back garth
Cush29
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: AA stands for Annoying A-Hole, ON
Joined: 12.22.2014

Yesterday @ 2:12 PM ET
Shanny gone, next up Marner?

I think so, Shanny was likely the one who who would have been all in on re-signing Marner and I think others in the organization aren't willing to, and Berube is in that group.

I don't think Berube will say it's about a specific high end but soft player (as we know the Leafs have a few) but he will say we need more of things they don't have and the only way to get those things is to change the people / cap distribution.

If they were going to move on from Nylander they would have before they signed him to an 8 year deal. I guess they could try to move Willy but why would he agree to waive his full no trade deal? That makes zero sense - he knows if he stays Marner is likely gone and he will get bumped up to L1 to play with Matthews and get more ice time and more points.

We can be mad at the players for their performances or lack thereof but the reality is there is blame for the current situation on a few folks but the bulk of it is the absolute moron they just fired in Shanny.

Shanny who brought in an experienced GM and coach and then decided to go the complete opposite direction with Dubas and Keefe. Seriously an inexperienced coach or GM is ok if the other one is experienced but both being green to the NHL was a mistake.

The fact they didn't give Marner the 8 or 8.5 x 8 his camp apparently wanted in 2019 and decided to wait out the season which cost them 3 to 3.5M per year, 2 less years AND resulted in them giving Marner a NTC for the last 2 (frank)ing years of his deal (which in itself was insane when usually it's the last year).

Then Shanny poop cans Dubas, brings in Tre and ties his hands by telling him he can't move Marner.

Imagine the haul the Leafs would have got by trading Marner before the NTC kicked in?

Now all they can likely do is re-sign him and continue to have a horifically unbalanced roster that won't become a top 4 team or let him walk for nothing.

(frank) Shanny.
Chunga’s Revenge
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The present day composer refuses to die - Edgar Varese
Joined: 10.28.2020

Yesterday @ 2:14 PM ET
Don't replace him. It's a meaningless role that just adds complexity.
- HockeyBuzzed

Don’t agree. MLSE is just as much a commercial real estate corporation as it is a sports/hockey organization and there’s a lot more to running the hockey operations beyond standard GM activities of managing the cap, getting/moving players, etc. Shannahan helped build up a lot of the off ice parts of hockey operations and the Leafs have top level medical, training and other supports. Shanny helped take the Leafs from a lottery team to one of the best in the league. They couldn’t get over the top and he had already played his fire the GM card so it was time for him to go.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Yesterday @ 2:16 PM ET
Shanny gone, next up Marner?

I think so, Shanny was likely the one who who would have been all in on re-signing Marner and I think others in the organization aren't willing to, and Berube is in that group.

I don't think Berube will say it's about a specific high end but soft player (as we know the Leafs have a few) but he will say we need more of things they don't have and the only way to get those things is to change the people / cap distribution.

If they were going to move on from Nylander they would have before they signed him to an 8 year deal. I guess they could try to move Willy but why would he agree to waive his full no trade deal? That makes zero sense - he knows if he stays Marner is likely gone and he will get bumped up to L1 to play with Matthews and get more ice time and more points.

We can be mad at the players for their performances or lack thereof but the reality is there is blame for the current situation on a few folks but the bulk of it is the absolute moron they just fired in Shanny.

Shanny who brought in an experienced GM and coach and then decided to go the complete opposite direction with Dubas and Keefe. Seriously an inexperienced coach or GM is ok if the other one is experienced but both being green to the NHL was a mistake.

The fact they didn't give Marner the 8 or 8.5 x 8 his camp apparently wanted in 2019 and decided to wait out the season which cost them 3 to 3.5M per year, 2 less years AND resulted in them giving Marner a NTC for the last 2 (frank)ing years of his deal (which in itself was insane when usually it's the last year).

Then Shanny poop cans Dubas, brings in Tre and ties his hands by telling him he can't move Marner.

Imagine the haul the Leafs would have got by trading Marner before the NTC kicked in?

Now all they can likely do is re-sign him and continue to have a horifically unbalanced roster that won't become a top 4 team or let him walk for nothing.

(frank) Shanny.

- Cush29


I kinda think Dubas gave himself a saftey net with the NMC only kicking in the last two years. Probably thinking that if the Leafs didn't win by that time, he could trade Marner. When he signed Nylander to an new deal, Dubas made the choice to keep Nylander and potentially trading Marner if they didn't win that year.

When he was about to do it, or hinted he might do it, he got fired by Shanahan.

The current debacle of losing a 100 points, top 5-10 winger in the NHL for absolutely nothing is all on Shanahan.
Cush29
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: AA stands for Annoying A-Hole, ON
Joined: 12.22.2014

Yesterday @ 2:24 PM ET
I kinda think Dubas gave himself a saftey net with the NMC only kicking in the last two years. Probably thinking that if the Leafs didn't win by that time, he could trade Marner. When he signed Nylander to an new deal, Dubas made the choice to keep Nylander and potentially trading Marner if they didn't win that year.

When he was about to do it, or hinted he might do it, he got fired by Shanahan.

The current debacle of losing a 100 points, top 5-10 winger in the NHL for absolutely nothing is all on Shanahan.

- Scabeh


Couldn't agree more.

Dubas created a parachute so that if in the first 3 years or less of Marner's 6 year deal this core still couldn't get it done Marner was moveable.

He then got fired (to your point perhaps trying to deploy said parachute) but it was a mistake to make it a 2 year NTC in my opinion vs a final year only (which is more standard), especially when the contract was only for 6 years not 8.

Nylander's contract prior to his current one (2018-2024) was a 6 year deal that only had a MNTC in the final year and (as we know) was great value for money at 6.9 M per year against the cap.

Marner greatly benefited from Nylander's hold out IMO, the Leafs were terrified to have Marner hold out and in both cases they caved and essentially gave the players all they asked for.
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Yesterday @ 2:58 PM ET
I kinda think Dubas gave himself a saftey net with the NMC only kicking in the last two years. Probably thinking that if the Leafs didn't win by that time, he could trade Marner. When he signed Nylander to an new deal, Dubas made the choice to keep Nylander and potentially trading Marner if they didn't win that year.

When he was about to do it, or hinted he might do it, he got fired by Shanahan.

The current debacle of losing a 100 points, top 5-10 winger in the NHL for absolutely nothing is all on Shanahan.

- Scabeh

Dubas wasnt about to trade marner...it was apparently Nylander for Karlsson.
mel_vin
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 07.11.2007

Yesterday @ 3:00 PM ET
Couldn't agree more.

Dubas created a parachute so that if in the first 3 years or less of Marner's 6 year deal this core still couldn't get it done Marner was moveable.

He then got fired (to your point perhaps trying to deploy said parachute) but it was a mistake to make it a 2 year NTC in my opinion vs a final year only (which is more standard), especially when the contract was only for 6 years not 8.

Nylander's contract prior to his current one (2018-2024) was a 6 year deal that only had a MNTC in the final year and (as we know) was great value for money at 6.9 M per year against the cap.

Marner greatly benefited from Nylander's hold out IMO, the Leafs were terrified to have Marner hold out and in both cases they caved and essentially gave the players all they asked for.

- Cush29


Frank him and his 102 points. He and that family is self entitled and part of the problem. All he cares about is the money and who is gonna get paid more. Dont need that poision on the team. Same with Mathews. These shorter term deals so they can maximize at their renewals says all we need to know about them. Im not saying they dont deserve money, but dont cry me the blues when your team keeps losing and the team cant address needs cause they are strapped. Look at these last winning teams, did their stars do that? And especially here where endorsments would be plentiful to supplement.

Mathews, Marner and Willy all selfish and the reason why this team is where its at. Shanny was the enabler.

I love JT. I dont know if signing him was needed, especially after you land Mathews. But HE left 2 million on the table to play here. (No way Marner would do that.) One of Willy or Marner had to go as a result IMO after getting JT.

mel_vin
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Canada, ON
Joined: 07.11.2007

Yesterday @ 3:01 PM ET
Dubas wasnt about to trade marner...it was apparently Nylander for Karlsson.
- Fakepartofme


Hmm Interesting. Would you have done that?
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Yesterday @ 3:02 PM ET
Dubas wasnt about to trade marner...it was apparently Nylander for Karlsson.
- Fakepartofme



I don't think Dubas would have signed Nylander to a new contract in January 2024 with a full NMC and then have targeted him to be the guy to trade 4 months later.

The guy to trade, the only guy that was tradeable at that point really, was Marner.
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