Bill Meltzer: Quick Hits: Gendron, TIFH

Talked with a source who confirmed something that's been widely rumored in recent days: Travis Konecny's camp is looking in the neighborhood of a $10 million cap hit on a long-term contract (seven or eight years) if he is to sign an extension with Philadelphia this offseason. This is in anticipation of the cap rising sharply in future summers. The sides could agree to wait and revisit the matter next season if there isn't major progress over this summer.
- Eklund

If true, trade him

One day closer to the TK mega extension. I really can’t wait. It will be the event of the summer.

Trade him at the draft
- jd250

knowing the player wants 10 $ mil a year … knowing the Flyers stated desire to keep him…there are a lot of factors that influence what they can get or what they think is fair value.This is where DB has to be practical and smart.
Some simple facts: he’s not a 10 million dollar player.
The Flyer are supposedly in a rebuild… those are the type of contracts you don’t give 27 year old wingers to during a rebuild.
To me this is where the Flyers will show their hand on how much of a rebuild is going on? Or has it just been more lip service and DB has no real plan and it’s another GM in over his head.

Konecny and his agent both know he is not a 10M a year player. It's just posturing and a starting point for negotiation. The deal will likely be an 8 year deal in the 8M a year range.

knowing the player wants 10 $ mil a year … knowing the Flyers stated desire to keep him…there are a lot of factors that influence what they can get or what they think is fair value.This is where DB has to be practical and smart.
Some simple facts: he’s not a 10 million dollar player.
The Flyer are supposedly in a rebuild… those are the type of contracts you don’t give 27 year old wingers to during a rebuild.
To me this is where the Flyers will show their hand on how much of a rebuild is going on? Or has it just been more lip service and DB has no real plan and it’s another GM in over his head.
- landros2

Agree 100%. I love the player, but he is not a $10M player. A fair and comparable deal would be what Timo Meier signed for with the Devils. Both players have identical stats believe it or not, though I do believe TK brings a bit more than Meier does. Still, the Flyers are not in any position to hand out an $80M contract to any player at this stage of the rebuild. However given TK has to be extended, I don't believe the Flyers will get as much as they should in a trade. My bet is the two sides continue to talk up to the trade deadline next season and then the Flyers trade him at the deadline for as much as they can get for him if they don't reach a fair price.

Agree 100%. I love the player, but he is not a $10M player. A fair and comparable deal would be what Timo Meier signed for with the Devils. Both players have identical stats believe it or not, though I do believe TK brings a bit more than Meier does. Still, the Flyers are not in any position to hand out an $80M contract to any player at this stage of the rebuild. However given TK has to be extended, I don't believe the Flyers will get as much as they should in a trade. My bet is the two sides continue to talk up to the trade deadline next season and then the Flyers trade him at the deadline for as much as they can get for him if they don't reach a fair price.
- jd250

You would lose that bet. The Flyers re-signing Konecny in July is as sure as the sun coming up.

One day closer to the TK mega extension. I really can’t wait. It will be the event of the summer.
- StepfordSam

Nah that will be trading the 12th overall pick to bring back Giroux. Our center problem is solved!

Agree 100%. I love the player, but he is not a $10M player. A fair and comparable deal would be what Timo Meier signed for with the Devils. Both players have identical stats believe it or not, though I do believe TK brings a bit more than Meier does. Still, the Flyers are not in any position to hand out an $80M contract to any player at this stage of the rebuild. However given TK has to be extended, I don't believe the Flyers will get as much as they should in a trade. My bet is the two sides continue to talk up to the trade deadline next season and then the Flyers trade him at the deadline for as much as they can get for him if they don't reach a fair price.
- jd250

I just don't see the team wanting to deal with that kind of distraction all season long. It just doesn't seem to me to be the organizational MO.

If he isn't traded at the draft, he will be signed on July 1st. I have serious doubts the team lets it fester throughout the season, especially as late as the trade deadline. If, as they expect, they are fighting for a playoff spot at the deadline, the pressure to keep him will be tremendous. Trading your best player in that situation would be a PR nightmare. IMO they can't let it get to that point.

I just don't see the team wanting to deal with that kind of distraction all season long. It just doesn't seem to me to be the organizational MO.

If he isn't traded at the draft, he will be signed on July 1st. I have serious doubts the team lets it fester throughout the season, especially as late as the trade deadline. If, as they expect, they are fighting for a playoff spot at the deadline, the pressure to keep him will be tremendous. Trading your best player in that situation would be a PR nightmare. IMO they can't let it get to that point.
- MBFlyerfan

The won't. Like you said, it's either trade at the draft or re-sign in July. With the money heavily on re-signing.

I don’t think it’s a lock to resign TK. Hopefully DB walks the walk and rebuilds properly.

Agree 100%. I love the player, but he is not a $10M player. A fair and comparable deal would be what Timo Meier signed for with the Devils. Both players have identical stats believe it or not, though I do believe TK brings a bit more than Meier does. Still, the Flyers are not in any position to hand out an $80M contract to any player at this stage of the rebuild. However given TK has to be extended, I don't believe the Flyers will get as much as they should in a trade. My bet is the two sides continue to talk up to the trade deadline next season and then the Flyers trade him at the deadline for as much as they can get for him if they don't reach a fair price.
- jd250

I think it comes to a head a bit sooner. With the Flyers having other RW options thats the only thing that gives me a sense that he might actually get dealt. Michkov is a RW. Foerster is a RW. Tippet is a LW that shoots right. I’m sure the Flyers could get a nice little package as the player is a very very good NHL talent.
As I mentioned earlier ….if they choose to sign him with all those legit RW options already here, it’s a signal that it’s either the shortest attempt at a rebuild or there really wasn’t one and it was just another marketing campaign.

I don’t think it’s a lock to resign TK. Hopefully DB walks the walk and rebuilds properly.
- coffee junkie

Agree.

I just don't see the team wanting to deal with that kind of distraction all season long. It just doesn't seem to me to be the organizational MO.

If he isn't traded at the draft, he will be signed on July 1st. I have serious doubts the team lets it fester throughout the season, especially as late as the trade deadline. If, as they expect, they are fighting for a playoff spot at the deadline, the pressure to keep him will be tremendous. Trading your best player in that situation would be a PR nightmare. IMO they can't let it get to that point.
- MBFlyerfan

You could be right, but I do recall the Flyers letting Giroux fester in his last season before ultimately trading him. Just last season the Flyers let Walker fester before trading him and seriously damaging their chances of making the playoffs. So it would not be unprecedented. If TK is really set on $10M I don't believe the Flyers extend him. However if he settles on a deal closer to what Timo Meier got, then I agree its a strong chance the Flyers extend him. But I don't agree that the pressure will force their hand.

I don’t think it’s a lock to resign TK. Hopefully DB walks the walk and rebuilds properly.
- coffee junkie

They shouldn’t sign Konency but they will…

I think it comes to a head a bit sooner. With the Flyers having other RW options thats the only thing that gives me a sense that he might actually get dealt. Michkov is a RW. Foerster is a RW. Tippet is a LW that shoots right. I’m sure the Flyers could get a nice little package as the player is a very very good NHL talent.
As I mentioned earlier ….if they choose to sign him with all those legit RW options already here, it’s a signal that it’s either the shortest attempt at a rebuild or there really wasn’t one and it was just another marketing campaign.
- landros 2

Yes, but I don't think this rebuild is a marketing campaign, at least not in the eyes of Torts who I believe was the catalyst to this so-called rebuild from the footings in the first place. Torts said it many times this year, you cannot fall in love with players. You have to do this right. Now one other possibility that I have thought of is what if Couts decides he wants out and the Flyers find a suitor for Couts? Does freeing up a portion of that cap space make it more palatable for the Flyers to extend TK and give him the 'C'? This off-season is going to be very, very interesting.

You could be right, but I do recall the Flyers letting Giroux fester in his last season before ultimately trading him. Just last season the Flyers let Walker fester before trading him and seriously damaging their chances of making the playoffs. So it would not be unprecedented. If TK is really set on $10M I don't believe the Flyers extend him. However if he settles on a deal closer to what Timo Meier got, then I agree its a strong chance the Flyers extend him. But I don't agree that the pressure will force their hand.
- jd250

Two things. One, the Flyers weren't supposedly starting a rebuild nor realistically a playoff team when Giroux was playing out his season. And it can be argued that it WAS a distraction in the locker room and the franchise itself. Two, Walker is nowhere near this team's best player, or even a long time member of the franchise. The optics simply aren't the same.

Two things. One, the Flyers weren't supposedly starting a rebuild nor realistically a playoff team when Giroux was playing out his season. And it can be argued that it WAS a distraction in the locker room and the franchise itself. Two, Walker is nowhere near this team's best player, or even a long time member of the franchise. The optics simply aren't the same.
- MBFlyerfan

True, but last season it was considered by many including myself that the Flyers were heading for the playoffs and losing Walker put a serious dent in that, though I think losing Hart was the real dagger as it turned out. So there was pressure to keep Walker and go for the playoffs, and the Flyers did the right thing. If TK does not budge I hope they do the right thing again.

If true, trade him
- jd250

I say put him on waivers. We don’t need the distraction and he’s screwing up the rebuild.

Yes, but I don't think this rebuild is a marketing campaign, at least not in the eyes of Torts who I believe was the catalyst to this so-called rebuild from the footings in the first place. Torts said it many times this year, you cannot fall in love with players. You have to do this right. Now one other possibility that I have thought of is what if Couts decides he wants out and the Flyers find a suitor for Couts? Does freeing up a portion of that cap space make it more palatable for the Flyers to extend TK and give him the 'C'? This off-season is going to be very, very interesting.
- jd250

It’s a mixed bag of messaging from what I see. Not what they say…because that’s all rebuild….but the signings, holding on to guys like Laughton, Seeler. Yes they moved Walker.
That’s why I remain on the fence…because it looks more incoherent then I had hoped a rebuild would look…

I don’t think it’s a lock to resign TK. Hopefully DB walks the walk and rebuilds properly.
- coffee junkie

It's as much of a lock as a lock can be. I would be shocked if they trade him.

You could be right, but I do recall the Flyers letting Giroux fester in his last season before ultimately trading him. Just last season the Flyers let Walker fester before trading him and seriously damaging their chances of making the playoffs. So it would not be unprecedented. If TK is really set on $10M I don't believe the Flyers extend him. However if he settles on a deal closer to what Timo Meier got, then I agree its a strong chance the Flyers extend him. But I don't agree that the pressure will force their hand.
- jd250

Giroux was 34, not 27. The Flyers wanted to re-sign Walker. There is a big difference between a top all star level player on the team and a player who was successful reclamation project that played for you for less than a season.

I think it comes to a head a bit sooner. With the Flyers having other RW options thats the only thing that gives me a sense that he might actually get dealt. Michkov is a RW. Foerster is a RW. Tippet is a LW that shoots right. I’m sure the Flyers could get a nice little package as the player is a very very good NHL talent.
As I mentioned earlier ….if they choose to sign him with all those legit RW options already here, it’s a signal that it’s either the shortest attempt at a rebuild or there really wasn’t one and it was just another marketing campaign.
- landros 2

What I will say is that the packages discussed on here seem underwhelming for tk. I’d want a first and one of the teams top prospects who’s close to nhl ready at minimum. If you’re talking about a 2nd and 3rd rounder or something like that it’s almost pointless unless you are just trying to get rid of him. If that means this plays out to the tdl for max return then so be it. This trade can’t be screwed up. If we whiff on it, it’s throwing assets out the window

It's as much of a lock as a lock can be. I would be shocked if they trade him.
- MJL

Why?

Giroux was 34, not 27. The Flyers wanted to re-sign Walker. There is a big difference between a top all star level player on the team and a player who was successful reclamation project that played for you for less than a season.
- MJL

Different gm too